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Post Post #1150 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 7:02 am

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I'm pulling together my thoughts into a post now. If anyone's itching to hammer, please hold off until I get a post or two in.
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Post Post #1151 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 7:38 am

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In post 1144, Dwlee99 wrote:I kinda want to have more day to discuss but also let's not out the Mason so maybe I hammer this
What do you want to discuss? So far you've said very little beyond that you were scumreading NK15 and townreading your slot before you joined. And you're surprised that Megs was elimmed.
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Post Post #1152 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:11 am

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I've done the analysis I wanted to do today, and I'm waffling as to whether to post it because I'd kinda rather starve scum of information until tomorrow.
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Post Post #1153 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 9:57 am

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I think the time to prepare was the most important aspect of waiting to hammer for today. Thinking that you're likely to be the kill tonight but having analysis / info that you really want to be seen is the only reason to post stuff now imo. We want scum to be making a kill fairly blind tonight.
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Post Post #1154 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:07 am

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Votecount 2.05
Not Known 15 (3) -
Tejate Raichu, Not Known 15, frogsfrogs

Not Voting (4) -
T3, Laplacian, Dwlee99, fferyllt

With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2022-01-05 23:20:00)
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Post Post #1155 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:09 am

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I still have no reads whatsoever.
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Post Post #1156 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:10 am

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Actually, it seems like you have one and only one read.

NK15 --- Scum
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Post Post #1157 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:25 am

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Alright I'll hammer in an hour if no objections
I prefer they, thanks :)
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Post Post #1158 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:43 am

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i do not object to hammering
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Post Post #1159 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:51 am

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In post 1157, Dwlee99 wrote:Alright I'll hammer in an hour if no objections
You're the main reason I'm not hammering, so no objections
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Post Post #1160 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:53 am

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None here, I'll prepare a draft over the next 2 days. I don't want to spill my spaghetti yet.
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Post Post #1161 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:34 pm

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VOTE: NK 15
Timing was stretched cause I accidentally took a long nap
I prefer they, thanks :)
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Post Post #1162 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:58 pm

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Only thing I want to say before we receive our flip, if this flips roleblocker then I really don't see much reason to suspect ffery. That is all.
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Post Post #1163 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:06 pm

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Votecount 2.06
Not Known 15 (4) -
Tejate Raichu, Not Known 15, frogsfrogs, Dwlee99

Not Voting (3) -
T3, Laplacian, fferyllt

With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to eliminate.

An elimination has been achieved.
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Post Post #1164 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:08 pm

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Not Known 15 has been eliminated Day 2. They were a
Mafia Goon
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It is now Night 2. The deadline for Night 2 is in (expired on 2022-01-05 20:10:00).
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Post Post #1165 (ISO) » Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:09 pm

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Tejate Raichu has been killed Night 2. He was a
Vanilla Townie
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It is now Day 3.


Votecount 3.00
Not Voting (5) -
frogsfrogs, T3, Laplacian, Dwlee99, fferyllt

With 5 players alive it takes 3 votes to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 3 is in (expired on 2022-01-12 20:10:00).
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Post Post #1166 (ISO) » Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:22 pm

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Sigh.

On the Megs wagon, my scumread is Laplacian.

Off the wagon, it's murkier. But, I think Not Known's trajectory on STD is similar to how he buses partners.

I think it would be good for the remaining mason to not claim today.
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Post Post #1167 (ISO) » Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:50 pm

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I'm surprised Tejate Raichu got voted. I assumed the last maf would want to leave as many people as possible alive who voted for Meg, since were were naturally the most suspicious
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Post Post #1168 (ISO) » Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:03 pm

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I'm not surprised at all that he was the NK.
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Post Post #1169 (ISO) » Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:11 pm

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Why not surprised
To me I thought I'd be a likely night kill
I prefer they, thanks :)
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Post Post #1170 (ISO) » Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:17 pm

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In post 1169, Dwlee99 wrote:Why not surprised
To me I thought I'd be a likely night kill
Why did you expect to be the NK?

Tejate has been deeply involved in the game since his replace-in and a town leader, and Binatog's soft claim might still have been a concern/consideration to the scum among us.
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Post Post #1171 (ISO) » Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:25 pm

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My thoughts on T3:

I think he has more experience playing with me than anyone else who was in this game, except maybe Prism. Which is not saying a lot, and all his experience has been with me in a town-hydra. I can grasp that I might be paranoia-inducing, though. His stance on me, even when I have agreed with him that I don't belong in elo (and I think I said it first), has a caricature-like simplicity. It seems mostly based on NK15 with not much about my own play and stances aside from my reaction to NK's counterclaim and sudden declaration that I was town.

In general, I feel like I've been set up, though maybe there was no grand scheme involved in how day 1 played out. T3 is the player most taking advantage of the optics to push me.

BUT

There's a huge Town+ for his slot IMO, in Prism's page 1-2 push on his predecessor. As town in newbie games she will often go after the first mild +scum indicator as a sort of demonstration of how to get out of RVS and start looking for real reasons to vote. Scum Prism tends to distance from her partner but not as quickly and emphatically as she did here...in my limited experience. That final phrase is the kicker.
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Post Post #1172 (ISO) » Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:36 pm

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frogfrogs


The backbone of this read is really meta from their first MS game where they was scum. They played well as scum against a stacked town, but their play in that game lacked fluidity. They were not reacting to game events in real time for the most part and their reactions were cautious.

In this game, I don't see the same kind of caution and care in taking stances and I see a fluidity that comes off very town. I don't feel like their being on the Megs wagon negates that. All of town were presented with a paradox -- what turned out to be 2 fake claims.

I realize there's something I didn't investigate yesterday, though I'll get to that within 24 hours.
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Post Post #1173 (ISO) » Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:38 pm

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Well STD was off wagon soo
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Post Post #1174 (ISO) » Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:39 pm

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In post 1173, Dwlee99 wrote:Well STD was off wagon soo
Indeed.

I'm not convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that scum wouldn't be on separate wagons there.
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