Open 838 – ISITMAINAC [Endgame]

[Save The Dragons]

Nah, he would have killed me..

why

[Nathann]

Nah, he would have killed me..

I actually was planning on killing you on N2 for the majority of the night, and changed it last minute. I figured Greeting had bigger odds of being a TPR, and that killing you would end up pointing back to me, because I was calling you town at the time.

[Looker]

Before I go. This doesn't make sense to me because Nathann's wagon stalled before deadline with players not voting. He's saying he'd work with town when, even when he had the opportunity (N3), he's saying he killed RCEnigma instead. Then, he's saying he'd rather lose later than now when it's a loss either way. It doesn't make any sense for an SK to do this. It makes way more sense for a scum with pending majority to do this if they think they have the actual SK pegged (i.e. RH9).

Edit: Hammering a consensus right before deadline wouldn't have been seen as scummy when the alternative was a no-elim. Sorry in a cab.

[Nathann]

Yeah, I'm working with town NOW, when my options are either die immediately or work with town. I very much was not trying to work with town last night.

And again, it's not a loss either way, it's very slim odds of winning. And even if it was loss either way, I would prolong it by claiming anyway because I am an asshole.

[Nathann]

It doesn't make any sense for an SK to do this.

To the contrary, it would make sense for an SK to... not claim, let himself get voted out, and lose immediately? Sure.

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: looker

[Looker]

SK shoot Nathann, force ELo

[RH9]

SK shoot Nathann, force ELo

Why would Nathann target himself if he's SK?

[Nathann]

Looker is calling me mafia who's fakeclaiming SK.

[RH9]

Looker is calling me mafia who's fakeclaiming SK.

I comprehend.

[Jacket]

Well.

VOTE: Looker

[RH9]

Should we wait for Scoropious to come back or nah?

[RH9]

Like as I said before, we are at MeLo and it is my firm belief that all players should be involved in the decision-making process.

[Scorpious]

VOTE: Looker

YOLO

[RH9]

@Cook

[RH9]

@Cook

Oh wait. I forgot about Twilight.

[Cook]

Hammer acknowledged. Still in twilight, but the flip will be a bit.

[Cook]

flavor

Looker has been eliminated.

Looker was a

Fisheries Officer

and a Mafia Goon.

Spoiler: role pm

Mafia Goon

Welcome! You are a

Fisheries Officer

.

The life of a Fisheries Department is difficult and tiring — policing the rivers, lakes, and the offshore accounts of the great nation of the Ohioan Empire. It's about to get a bunch more difficult with your next assignment — getting rid of a salmon-smuggling ring.

You are a

Goon

.
— Use your voice and vote to deceive the Town.
— You have a PT which you can talk in at any time.
— At night someone in your faction may submit an attack. Assuming no interference, that player will die.

You win when the Mafia (Fisheries Department) has an unopposed and unstoppable voting majority.
Your

secret hideout

Fisheries Safehouse PT is located {HYPERLINK BLOCKED}.
The game thread is {HYPERLINK BLOCKED}. Please confirm with your role and alignment.

Night Four! (expired on 2022-01-09 21:31:46) to that ending.

[Cook]

flavor

In the night, shots go off as Cook furiously types out flavor for the game.

When the townsfolk, three in their number, awaken once more, they are instantly relieved.

The reign of terror of the Flagpole-Smacking Recluse has finally drawn to a close. Oh and also the 1-Shot Vig but that's aside the point. Rest in peace

Save The Dragons

and

Nathann

.

Get ready for a blitz day.

Save The Dragons was a member of the

Salmon Handlers

and a 1-Shot Vigilante.

Spoiler: rolepm

Town 1-Shot Vigilante

Welcome! You are a

Salmon Handler

.

You are part of a smuggling ring who work together to handle salmon in suspicious circumstances. This job frequently carries you into the wee hours of the morning, and as such you frequently require a coffee to stay vigilant in your quest to evade Fisheries Officers.

You are a

1-Shot Vigilante

.
— Use your voice and vote to get rid of anyone who isn't the color green.
— In addition, at night, but only once, you may send me the name of a player. Assuming no interference, you will attack them.

You win when all threats to the Town (Salmon Handlers) are eliminated.
The game thread is {HYPERLINK BLOCKED}. Please confirm with your role and alignment.

Nathann was the

Flagpole-Smacking Recluse

Serial Killer.

Spoiler: rolepm

Serial Killer

Welcome! You are the

Flagpole-Smacking Recluse

.

The budget ran out for us to use a chainsaw (what with gas prices going up) so you instead use an abnormally long flagpole to beat your enemies into submission. Unfortunately this doesn't make you very fun at parties.

You are a

Serial Killer

.
— Use your voice and vote to deceive the Town.
— You have a Notes PT which you can talk with yourself in and submit nightkills in.
— At night you may submit an attack. Assuming no interference, that player will die.
— When confirming, you may also pick to either appear as a member of the Town to cops or survive the first attack that targets you at night.

You win if you are the last one standing or nothing can prevent this from happening.
Your secret hideout is located {HYPERLINK BLOCKED}.
The game thread is {HYPERLINK BLOCKED}. Please confirm with your role, alignment, and also if you want to be a 1-Shot Bulletproof or Investigation-Immune.

Day Five begins!

headcount

(3): Scorpious, RH9, Jacket

With 3 alive it takes 2 to reach a decision.

With 10 dead the deadline is

60

63

hours, of which (expired on 2022-01-12 09:13:04) remain.

[Cook]

Slightly early. Adding three hours to deadline.

[RH9]

Jacket, what do you think of Scorpious hammering? I wasn't expecting it, honestly.

[RH9]

By the way, Scorpious, what do you think of Jacket?
And I think that discussion is much more necessary today. It's ELO so we shouldn't vote without discussion.

[Jacket]

I don't think anything of him hammering. The SK was outed and any vote that wasn't him was a good one. Why did you not vote?

Pissed that the SK scumsided there.

[Jacket]

Honestly, StrangeMatter mentioned Salsabil Faria too in 80, but is just focusing way too much on STD. (Salsabil Faria, can I just refer to you as Salsa, like StrangeMatter does, in the future in case I misspell your name?)
P-edit: VOTE: StrangeMatter
StrangeMatter, please explain your focus on STD over Salsabil Faria.

I have more experience with STD than Salsa if that’s what you mean. Also I haven’t changed because I don’t want to. Explaining further ruins this as I’ve stated a lot more, and I’m focusing on people one at a time then moving on when I think I have a good read.

For the record, I don't have a problem with my post being interpreted as "Galron trying to be townread", since that is more or less what I meant. It seems like he's trying to ask the right questions, but it's just not... quite there.

As to how RH9 saw that being similar to his play in another game where he was scum, then decided the plays aren't the same, and then still townreads Galron is beyond me. RH9, why is Galron town?

Galron isn't talking mechanics and seems less opportunistic.

What do you mean by less opportunistic, and especially what do you mean by mechanics? Also, what pings you as less opportunistic?

StrangeMatter, you mentioned only one towngame for STD? Have you seen his other towngames? I don't think that using only one towngame and two scumgames for comparison is fair to STD.

Have you considered that STD can change and that his towngame is no longer like it was before.
I think that you might be confbiased. I have seen confbiases and experienced confbias. It has hardly ended well except when the confbias is dropped.

I'm not really confirmation biased just focused on STD right now. I've had games where after a few couple of games (though this is off-site) I pretty much understand what their scum gameplay is and what they prefer to do as scum from what I know of them. So while I normally don't normally put a lot into meta, this is one of those times I (personally think) have a good track record of actually getting right and something I go to on whenever I can with people I actually know.

As for not being fair, I'm fine with going through again. And that last question I'm not even sure what you're trying to get at. Yes, people can change (in fact this definitely happened to me at one point) but it lines up with what I currently understand about STD's scum gameplay.

Looks scum/scum

[Jacket]

Honestly, StrangeMatter mentioned Salsabil Faria too in 80, but is just focusing way too much on STD. (Salsabil Faria, can I just refer to you as Salsa, like StrangeMatter does, in the future in case I misspell your name?)
P-edit: VOTE: StrangeMatter
StrangeMatter, please explain your focus on STD over Salsabil Faria.

I have more experience with STD than Salsa if that’s what you mean. Also I haven’t changed because I don’t want to. Explaining further ruins this as I’ve stated a lot more, and I’m focusing on people one at a time then moving on when I think I have a good read.

Where are you in terms of completion of your focus on STD and what have you yielded so far in terms of information.

Also, what will satisfy you to “move on” to your next person to question. And what decides who’s next?

I've stated what I think means I should move on, otherwise, if nothing happens with the slot and there's no way to get anything out of it then that's also when I just move on.

As far as reading STD, I really don't have much other than what I have right now, which is he's more likely to be scum here if I'm right about what I thought. But that thought's a bit hasty for right now, and I'd like to get more out of him.

@STD what is your reads currently? And can you please be thorough?

Feel like I need to say this. Scorpious, I know that you're the highest poster. However, I would like to say that my highest townread is Nathann. Literally, every post he's made has shown high solving intent. He's been trying to sort everybody and has been acting in a progressive manner. I know this might seem pockety but I am saying this genuinely. I don't care, Nathann, if you don't TR me but I would like to point out how much I am liking your actions.

What is this, really? I’ve never seen someone be so enamored with a slot, and be so unabashed in saying so.

It’s just weird.

I'm wondering though, by what this said here, what's your opinion of my pushes on me pushing STD? Because you haven't addressed that and to me and it bugs me by that kind of feeling I get from potentially (theoretically you as scum here) scum trying to set up partners interaction/who they haven't interacted with later if you flip.

Doesn't look scum/scum.