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[mastina]

I didn't mean technicalities, I meant the method itself. Some players submitted town preference, some submitted scum preference. Some townies might have submitted scum preference. What if scums lie about scum preference and those townies who submitted scum preference didn't lie and simply didn't get it? This is what I'm sceptical about.

Well about that.

If Enchant was serious about submitting scum preference, then I'm pretty sure that if the mod gave everyone their stated preference?

We have three scum who submitted scum preference and then either refused to state their alignment preference (Cheeky, Meg) or lied about it and said they had town preference. (Technically, they could lie and say 'no preference', but I've reason to believe that everyone who claimed 'No Preference' is actually town here, just off of who the names claiming no preference are. I don't think scum truthfully claimed no preference given Enchant, and I don't think scum lied about it being no preference given who the names are and basic psychology in mafia play in that mafia would be afraid to claim 'no preference' if they thought that claiming no preference would make them more likely to be seen as a scum candidate.)

Spoiler: Notes

TOWN

PREFERENCE:

mastina

House
Scorpious
Yume
Greeting
Flea the Magician
CheekyTeeky (after much resistance)
ɀefiend

NO ALIGNMENT PREFERENCE:

Taly
Titus
Galron

SCUM

PREFERENCE:

Enchant? (Not sure if serious)

PREFERENCE NOT YET STATED:

MegAzumarill

MAFIA ROLES

POOL:

1-Shot Strongman (mastina)
1-Shot Universal Backup (mastina)
Mafia PT Cop (mastina)
Informed Goon (Enchant)
Macho 1x Strongman (Enchant)
Mafia Rolecop (Enchant)
Mafia Ascetic Multitasking Rolestopper/Rolecop (House)
Mafia Ascetic Multitasking Hider/Watcher (House)
Ascetic Strongman (House)
Mafia Neapolitan (Taly)
Mafia Neighborizer (Taly)
Mafia Combined Rolecop, Loyal Neighborizer Loyal Doctor Traitor (Titus)
Mafia Combined Disloyal Universal Backup Encryptor (Titus)
Mafia Combined Personal Alien Mailman (Titus)
Ninja (Scorpious)
Mafia JOAT (Scorpious)
Mafia Roleblocker (Scorpious)
Mafia Loud Alien (Galron)
Mafia 2-shot Strongman (Galron)
Mafia Roleblocker (Yume)
Mafia RoleCop (Yume)
Mafia Neighbour (Yume)
Mafia Roleblocker (Greeting)
(Mafia (not specific)) Jailkeeper (Flea the Magician)
(not specific) Informed Goon (Flea the Magician)

MAFIA ROLE

FREQUENCY:

Strongman: x4
Rolecop: 4 (+2 variants)
Ascetic: 3
Roleblocker: 3 (+1 variant)
Rolestopper/Variant: 3
Universal Backup: 2
Neighborizer: 2 (+1 variant)
Informed: 2

PICKS NOT YET STATED:

MegAzumarill
CheekyTeeky

Between the players having stated town and the player refusing to state a preference, we have 9/13 players.

So what this tells me:

Taly

and Titus are town;
Galron is

probably

town.

If Enchant is town, which he probably is, then all three scum would be in those that didn't claim or claimed town.

Removing myself, that pool?
{House, Scorpious, Yume, Greeting, Flea the Magician, CheekyTeeky, ɀefiend, MegAzumarill}.

Of those players?

Greeting has no completed scumgames per their wiki. They have four towngames and zero scumgames. The preference for a towngame is probably thus true and accurate. So

Greeting is town

.

Scorpious's wiki leaves it unclear, but very loosely imo indicates that town is

slightly

more likely.

House I think has stated his town/scum preference before, but I sadly can't remember it and he has no real wiki so I have to keep him in the pool

for now

until I track it down.

Ditto for Flea; fae might've stated faer preference but I can't remember it.

Yume might've stated preference on one of her accounts but thanks to the number of them I can't track it down.

If Cheeky has stated her preference previously, I don't know it.

zefiend is impossible to track; ditto, for Meg.

So sadly, that doesn't narrow the pool down as much as I want, but it still helps as a

starting

point.

It gives us 3/7.5 names as scum from a narrowed list.

Not quite 50% odds of hitting scum, but 40% odds of hitting scum beats the default 25% we'd have otherwise (3/12).

And from this, we can get into the reads on players from that list.

{House,

Scorpious

, Yume, Flea the Magician, CheekyTeeky, ɀefiend, MegAzumarill}

Cheeky's play looks like scum;
Meg's play looks like scum.

Even if both are scum, that'd leave 1/4 of the remaining prime suspects as candidates.

What mastina is doing both scum!mastina and town!mastina could do; the act is merely Information Instead of Analysis, which is NAI. However there are some flaws, and although I have no way to prove it, what mastina says about what everyone submitted is not 100% true.

I submitted town preference overall, but all three of my scum roles were rejected (which seems ridiculous reading what some of y'all claim to submitted) -- so I was assigned a Vanilla preference if rolling scum.

I will also be keeping my own notes on people's claims, but if someone wants to neighborize me into mastina's PT so that I don't have to keep notes, it would be appreciated.

Not enough petty arguments to generate any reads yet.

This makes me lean town on zefiend.

Which leaves 1-3 scum in {House, Yume, Flea the Magician}.

I could see it being any of them, but while I can't read House worth a damn, loosely, I think his contributions are town. I think 102 was accurate regardless (if House is scum, he was the scum; otherwise, it's probably Meg), and find the Cheeky House vote there sus.

If I had to go gun to my head, I'd say that in {Yume, Flea, House}, towniest to scummiest it'd be House > Yume > Flea.

So right now, I'm thinking:

All 3 scum are in {CheekyTeeky, MegAzumarill, House, Yume, Flea the Magician};
CheekyTeeky and MegAzumarill have a high chance of being scum;
House is less likely scum;
There's 1-2 scum in {Yume, Flea the Magician};
There's basically a guaranteed scum, 1-2, in {CheekyTeeky, MegAzumarill}

.

Pagetopping this.

[CheekyTeeky]

You should have left it at the bottom. You can do better xx

[CheekyTeeky]

Preference is nai and completely useless otherwise we wouldn't have had to submit roles for both alignments. This is clearly just busy work, and a townread on Titus/Taly only reinforces my suspicion as those would precisely be the slots scumstina would want on side.

[House]

House I think has stated his town/scum preference before, but I sadly can't remember it and he has no real wiki so I have to keep him in the pool for now until I track it down.

Before my hiatus, my preference was playing as scum.

Site meta has changed since I last played. So my preference has too.

[mastina]

we wouldn't have had to submit roles for both alignments.

That's the thing though.

We didn't have to.

It was optional to do as much as we did.

[ɀefiend]

House I think has stated his town/scum preference before, but I sadly can't remember it and he has no real wiki so I have to keep him in the pool for now until I track it down.

Before my hiatus, my preference was playing as scum.

Site meta has changed since I last played. So my preference has too.

Bit off topic but can you elaborate on the site meta changing? Also how could you know the site meta changed if you haven't been playing?

I've played with Titus and Mastina before and your join date is similar but I don't remember playing with you. I often take long breaks from the site too.

[House]

House I think has stated his town/scum preference before, but I sadly can't remember it and he has no real wiki so I have to keep him in the pool for now until I track it down.

Before my hiatus, my preference was playing as scum.

Site meta has changed since I last played. So my preference has too.

Bit off topic but can you elaborate on the site meta changing? Also how could you know the site meta changed if you haven't been playing?

I've played with Titus and Mastina before and your join date is similar but I don't remember playing with you. I often take long breaks from the site too.

Players have become more analytical as town, and tend to struggle more as scum, now.

Just because I haven't been playing, doesn't mean I haven't been here at all.

[Enchant]

Yeah, i was serious.

I love shoting ppls.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: mastina

Well that was easy.
Mastina knows my scum game, and knows I thrive more on scum because I actually find it easier to make reads as scum. I also have a pretty comprehensive wiki, which miraculously seems to have been forgotten about.

My scum games do such admittedly, but it's no secret I play for fun over form.

I'm also strong mislim bait because of my erratic behaviour and thought patterns.. the PoE seems too convenient to me and the reasoning lacks her usual convictions.

[Taly]

Preference is nai and completely useless otherwise we wouldn't have had to submit roles for both alignments. This is clearly just busy work, and a townread on Titus/Taly only reinforces my suspicion as those would precisely be the slots scumstina would want on side.

I'm a bad person to pocket or townside if someone is trying to survive

You know how many times I 180 on someone?

Gamma

and

Galron

have the receipts.

Hell game just ended and

Ydra

-scum played historically what makes me lose endgames and I still left the dance.

Gross meta aside, I'm not going to discern

mastina's

motive because she's made them entirely unclear so any benefit of fighting her both won't resolve much right now and eliminate any potential solving benefit from this.

Tbh, it seems like a perspective slip to scumread her off the basis of trying to get MAFIA role information. That kind of only promotes lying from MAFIA, not town... why be afraid of getting role information if it explicitly does not target town?

Also, it is not lost on me that your posting implies that you townread

Titus/I

because you're saying that we are being

"won over"

by a scummer. I don't follow the conclusion you made on either of our alignments and that only reinforces my belief you could be informed.

So no, I'm happy with my vote and if you want to end the disappointment then begin with working with me here.

[Taly]

nnnoOOOOOOoooooOooOOo

I can't LHF to save my life omg

[Taly]

VOTE: mastina

Well that was easy.
Mastina knows my scum game, and knows I thrive more on scum because I actually find it easier to make reads as scum. I also have a pretty comprehensive wiki, which miraculously seems to have been forgotten about.

My scum games do such admittedly, but it's no secret I play for fun over form.

I'm also strong mislim bait because of my erratic behaviour and thought patterns.. the PoE seems too convenient to me and the reasoning lacks her usual convictions.

Yeah an easy vote to make as scum.

:BEAK:

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Mastina
The reasoning there is pretty abyssmal and I don't think it wasn't thought through so I'm leaning on malicious


Also no thought into actually why someone might not share their preference even though that reason was pretty clearly laid out in our first interaction.

(And whether that (players with town preference more likely to be prs) is true or not doesn't really matter, because it is clear that i think that which means outing my preference would imply whether I am pr or vanilla.)

[Taly]

is anyone reading my posts wtf

[Taly]

*uses House's shirt as tissue to blow nose on post-meltdown*

[Taly]

oh wait I missed the entire previous page

[Taly]

hmmmm

Wait explain

Taly/Galron/Titus

town

Mastina

?

[Taly]

:thinking pose:

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: mastina

Well that was easy.
Mastina knows my scum game, and knows I thrive more on scum because I actually find it easier to make reads as scum. I also have a pretty comprehensive wiki, which miraculously seems to have been forgotten about.

My scum games do such admittedly, but it's no secret I play for fun over form.

I'm also strong mislim bait because of my erratic behaviour and thought patterns.. the PoE seems too convenient to me and the reasoning lacks her usual convictions.

Yeah an easy vote to make as scum.

:BEAK:

How is it an easy vote for scum? It's an easy vote for scum to discredit if anything.

[Taly]

Well, what reads do you disagree with?

[Mizzytastic]

Micc will be joining as our backup mod. I'll be adding him into threads today.

[Flea The Magician]

Well, what reads do you disagree with?

I'm more curious about how my vote is an easy vote to make than being wilfully disected currently.

[Taly]

Well, what reads do you disagree with?

I'm more curious about how my vote is an easy vote to make than being wilfully disected currently.

You're contesting the PoE off the basis that you're in it and not digressing into why the solve lacks conviction or has potential fallacies to it.

Hence why I prompted you to voice any discontent because I can't tell your alignment based off your current reply other than I disagree with your take on

mastina's

intentions.

[Taly]

To be candid, you are not in the 9 people I said I had a read on already.

[Galron]

That's a lot of analysis from an rvs question. I'm not sure how I got to be town (probably) out of it, but the grouping of taly (whose name is in greentext?), titus and me as not stating a preference appears to coincide with the townreads of the three of us. Mastina, am I on the right track? If so, how is our not stating a preference town!indicative, and why would I be [probably] town, as opposed to [full] town Taly and Titus? It is stated that the particular names are important, so is personal meta involved?

If our stating our preference is not connected with the town reads, then I'm curious as to how they were developed. Why would mafia think that claiming no preference would out them as a scum candidate? And what is the difference between the players stating no preference and the players refusing to state a preference?