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[The Three Bears]

i dont really have any reads honestly? like i have random paranoia and other random shit but not really any like ... reads

[Cephrir]

Did anyone need me? I swear I saw my name pop up a few times before I passed out

i would like you if you have a moment. have you read the interactions between roden/std/me

i feel like he's transparently scum but my tunnels are often wrong so would love an opinion

i read some of it. the walk back on the greeting/lld antialign thing?

that was the beginning, but i think he's tried to revise what his posts actually say several more times since then and is spinning a narrative to make it look like my issues with him are petty nothings to anyone who doesn't read it deeply

[Cephrir]

also, this is a new element but since someone else noticed it i'll give voice to this thought, he accused me of trying to start shit with my nothing points (they're substantial but whatever) but has himself been needling me while i try to drop it

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Yeah tbh I agree with Ceph on that take... I thought town while drunk cause I was missign the misdirection and shit, and from my perspective theres also like a LOT of just nettlesome minor misrep that's continuing the pattern of back-and-forth shitfight while borrowing shit I was sayin to act like hes a victim in allthis shit loool

Like idk how to describe it but like Roden feels like he phrases shit in innocent lookin ways that piss folks off so he can hold up his hands and be like "Yall getting fuckin upset at me over nothing wtf leave me alone" n play it out like a saint

pedit hey thats my point i cant have SHIT in this town godddd

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh and Ceph still comes out as townie from their posts recently.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’ve felt a bit distant to certain parts of the game. (Namely the Cephrir/Roden fight) but to comment i’m null on Roden still, but have felt like Ceph has made numerous posts that towntold.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Idk abt towntellin or whatever but gotta agree Ceph been putting on a legit good showing and ALSO!!! Using correct PRONOUNS!!! which is like ....no matter what cephs surviving d1 at least i gotta keep what I got LOL

[T3]

i don't think i've played with him before

w h a t
defcon
scp upick

[T3]

And if Noraa is town

ouchie this backtracking is going a little tooooo fast

The fuck? I’m not backtracking.
I’m expressing that my reads are never 100%. And i literally said the same thing when i first said i thought you were town. (That i could be wrong)

VOTE: norwee

[T3]

irchers always lhf. why is that ever a wagon on day 1 atp?

isn't t3 also? do you have any spicy scumreads?

yeah but i still give reading him a shot because i think him as town is a little more obvi. idr if i had a good read record on him though.

i get townread more as scum.

[Cephrir]

i don't think i've played with him before

w h a t
defcon
scp upick

oh yeah

sorry

[The Three Bears]

I have to say that i dont think any of the points brought up on roden are AI. In my last game with Roden, I remember being extremely frustrated and thinking that town couldn't possibly play like this because I felt the way he was playing was almost purposefully destructively. But I do not think that is AI because frustrated town plays like that.

I remember being like why is he going crazy over like 1 vote after saying he was the towniest. A lot of things didn't make sense to me and I constantly felt he was being hypocritical. But he was town and I think it's important to realize that destructive play, no matter how not productive it is, is still more likely to come from town.

In this specific game, I have not tried to read roden at all meaning I have glazed over all of his posts. I dont have any faith in my ability to read him but I do think that with him, there are very different things to be looking for when trying to decipher alignment that aren't the simple and expected standards. Roden does not work well under pressure as town and I think that's important to take into account.

[Cephrir]

And if Noraa is town

ouchie this backtracking is going a little tooooo fast

The fuck? I’m not backtracking.
I’m expressing that my reads are never 100%. And i literally said the same thing when i first said i thought you were town. (That i could be wrong)

VOTE: norwee

why does this bother you more than roden's backtracking?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok, but point is. If Noraa was scum they would probably twist their emotions in a certain manipulative way.
And here it’s more like the: "i can’t believe you’ve done this" guy that just looks utterly betrayed.
I could just be totally wrong here, but that’s honestly what i feel.

To those that say i backtracked my read on Noraa by expressing slught doubts.
Read the last part of this post.

[The Three Bears]

roden's backtracking

he does this a LOT as town as well as being extremely defensive.

[The Three Bears]

Ok, but point is. If Noraa was scum they would probably twist their emotions in a certain manipulative way.
And here it’s more like the: "i can’t believe you’ve done this" guy that just looks utterly betrayed.
I could just be totally wrong here, but that’s honestly what i feel.

To those that say i backtracked my read on Noraa by expressing slught doubts.
Read the last part of this post.

i was the only one that said that. but ok so your point is that backtracked in your first post. ok.

[Cephrir]

roden's backtracking

he does this a LOT as town as well as being extremely defensive.

i asked T3 a question please let him answer.

[Bell]

Game keeps logging me out before posts make it.

Tldr:
Cephrir: slight improvement
Roden: limited insight. Attitude seems okay but not enough.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

T3 feels like attempting to tie himself to bears here tbh which is weird cause theres back-and-forth, but the game shift feels one-sided. ????? Idk

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah T3 is looking pretty bad.

[T3]

And if Noraa is town

ouchie this backtracking is going a little tooooo fast

The fuck? I’m not backtracking.
I’m expressing that my reads are never 100%. And i literally said the same thing when i first said i thought you were town. (That i could be wrong)

VOTE: norwee

why does this bother you more than roden's backtracking?

i don't care that much about the backtracking. i don't think town norwee would be this aggressive towards those who are scumreading him.
in mbos 13 (towngame) norwee actually engaged with the players who were tunneling him and resolved it, meanwhile inopen draft mafia (scumgame) norwee just completely shut down after mastina started tunneling him.

[T3]

Yeah T3 is looking pretty bad.

also a little bit of opportunism

[NorwegianboyEE]

T3, that is called cherrypicking games. You can see a lot of games where i act pissy towards those that scumread me as town.

[Save The Dragons]

roden's made bold claims and backtracked on them.

roden's using ate "woe is me" and needling using words like "inane" to try and attack the points against him without actually refuting those points. it makes it look like they weren't legit points to begin with. instead of answering, he doubles down on this narrative.

how are people like "well i guess that could come from town"

[The Three Bears]

roden's made bold claims and backtracked on them.

roden's using ate "woe is me" and needling using words like "inane" to try and attack the points against him without actually refuting those points. it makes it look like they weren't legit points to begin with. instead of answering, he doubles down on this narrative.

how are people like "well i guess that could come from town"

because he did all of that in his last town game with me