Mostly just that I wouldn’t be so stupid as to directly do what you’re saying. If people you think are scum are trying to pocket me then I must be town.In post 397, GuiltyLion wrote:I thought you claimed to be an experienced mafia player? You know if you are town, some scum will attempt to townread you and pocket you, right?In post 395, fua wrote:I just have a soft spot for people who correctly discern my alignment, I suppose.
I never form reads based on outside games anymore.In post 399, morph the cat wrote:I was wondering if your read of her was informed by prior games played.In post 390, fua wrote:Maybe I have, maybe I haven’t. If you think her scum meta is identifiable to a person who’s played with her before then I can listen to what you have to say. I’m going based off of what she’s posted here thus far.
is this because of any specific interactions between us, or just because we are both voting youIn post 362, fua wrote:I can see implosion and GL as a scum pairing.
I'm not saying anyone is trying to pocket you (necessarily), just pointing out that you don't seem to be considering it. If you are town I would expect you to be considering it. like if I did know for a fact you were town, then for me redtea stock is almost certainly tanking hard, yet you townread them for ?? reasonsIn post 400, fua wrote:Mostly just that I wouldn’t be so stupid as to directly do what you’re saying. If people you think are scum are trying to pocket me then I must be town.
It’s because you have no interactions with each other and yet pray to the reach gods to try to fabricate a reason to scumread me within less than a page of one another. But that’s just why I think you could be paired even outside of you both individually being scum.In post 402, GuiltyLion wrote:is this because of any specific interactions between us, or just because we are both voting youIn post 362, fua wrote:I can see implosion and GL as a scum pairing.
The only thing that pinged me was that she kinda jumped to your defense when I expressed my eyebrow-raise at your post about Shirou being LAMISTy.In post 391, fua wrote:If you need me to name something I think her suggestion of the top posters sitting back for a while is a good idea, especially since we have a person who hasn’t posted still.
I just did consider it. The conclusion I arrived at was that I don’t think it’s pocketing. Or at the very least the conclusion they arrived at makes much more sense for a townie actually trying to solve the game than yours.In post 403, GuiltyLion wrote:I'm not saying anyone is trying to pocket you (necessarily), just pointing out that you don't seem to be considering it. If you are town I would expect you to be considering it. like if I did know for a fact you were town, then for me redtea stock is almost certainly tanking hard, yet you townread them for ?? reasonsIn post 400, fua wrote:Mostly just that I wouldn’t be so stupid as to directly do what you’re saying. If people you think are scum are trying to pocket me then I must be town.
Fair play. It’s not like people haven’t spoken on behalf of others here before, though.In post 406, morph the cat wrote:The only thing that pinged me was that she kinda jumped to your defense when I expressed my eyebrow-raise at your post about Shirou being LAMISTy.In post 391, fua wrote:If you need me to name something I think her suggestion of the top posters sitting back for a while is a good idea, especially since we have a person who hasn’t posted still.
Which is kinda kneejerk on my part. I feel like it's very easy to paste that kind of label on someone's post. Your subsequent reasoning about your Shirou read at that point was decent reasoning, hence my not pushing you further on it.
This is also correct, so… iunno.In post 266, northsidegal wrote:this seems unfair – the original post and vote was pretty succinctly put and the elaboration only came after being explicitly asked for itIn post 262, morph the cat wrote:You sure put a lot of words around it for a gut vote.In post 261, fua wrote:But yeah. It’s not a hard scumread or anything. Just a gut vote because I don’t know people enough to have real reads on them yet.
Do you honestly believe townies should see you as town by now? why? what things have you done that scum you can't do? Is your respect for your own scum game that low?In post 407, fua wrote:Or at the very least the conclusion they arrived at makes much more sense for a townie actually trying to solve the game than yours.
No, I just think your argument for the initial scumread was very bad because it functions off of two hypotheticals, tries to push a narrative, and completely ignores what one of the people you said was misfired town said in the first place. The fact that you’re doubling down and also ignoring my comment on that means that we’re not going to get anywhere with this conversation, so I humbly bid you adieu and will let someone else sort this out. Good talk, though.In post 410, GuiltyLion wrote:Do you honestly believe townies should see you as town by now? why? what things have you done that scum you can't do? Is your respect for your own scum game that low?In post 407, fua wrote:Or at the very least the conclusion they arrived at makes much more sense for a townie actually trying to solve the game than yours.
and I want to point out to you, they didn't even arrive to a conclusion on your alignment, they just said your playstyle was "conversationalist". That doesn't show me a solving mind that has stakes in the game
I feel like the most obvious thing to me, is that I would have been much more likely to engage with that post. If I am scum and already have some eyes on me, it would probably be beneficial to me to say that Ceph's reasons for suspicion are frivolous, and explain why I felt that way. This could easily be taken as pointless TvT arguing, or set up a later push on Ceph.In post 405, Shirou wrote:@Tejate your reply was good, but now let's go to the second phase of it
It may be hard but try to imagine a hypothetical scenario where you're scum and Cephrir is town (regardless of what your actual alignments in this game are).
What do you think you would have done different in your engagements and in your behavior/posts around people opinions on you/Cephrir? Give it a good consideration. If you're experienced enough in scum play there's something you did here that it's not likely you would have done in this hypothetical.
Welcome to the thread!In post 411, imaginality wrote:Apologies, I didn't expect this game to start as soon as it did. I'm away on a family holiday returning home this evening.
I have at least read through the game to this point. If anyone has something specific they want me to comment on let me know, otherwise I'll share my own thoughts on what's caught my eye when I'm back home later. (Later being 12 hours or so from now.)
when did I do this? I honestly don't know what you're referring toIn post 414, fua wrote:you also tried to change the subject immediately when I pointed out my reasoning to try to latch onto weak spur of the moment reads.
Hmm...one more shot. I'll give you one more shot. and a hint.In post 413, Tejate Raichu wrote:I feel like the most obvious thing to me, is that I would have been much more likely to engage with that post. If I am scum and already have some eyes on me, it would probably be beneficial to me to say that Ceph's reasons for suspicion are frivolous, and explain why I felt that way. This could easily be taken as pointless TvT arguing, or set up a later push on Ceph.
What was your theory?
Ding. You ignored the point I made in my rebuttal and immediately switched to poking at a townlean of a player who doesn’t have that many posts.In post 397, GuiltyLion wrote:I thought you claimed to be an experienced mafia player? You know if you are town, some scum will attempt to townread you and pocket you, right?In post 395, fua wrote:I just have a soft spot for people who correctly discern my alignment, I suppose.
Also ignoring 398 in favor of continuing the redtea discussion. I have a townlean on him for now based on a quick and instinctive D1 readslist. Deal with it.In post 403, GuiltyLion wrote:I'm not saying anyone is trying to pocket you (necessarily), just pointing out that you don't seem to be considering it. If you are town I would expect you to be considering it. like if I did know for a fact you were town, then for me redtea stock is almost certainly tanking hard, yet you townread them for ?? reasonsIn post 400, fua wrote:Mostly just that I wouldn’t be so stupid as to directly do what you’re saying. If people you think are scum are trying to pocket me then I must be town.
I do think anyone claiming to tie Cephrir and Tejate together would be making a mistake, yeah.In post 417, fua wrote:What do you make of Tejate’s point that people are trying to tie him and Ceph together? Because you certainly pushed that note when you voted for me. Why can’t you be trying to pocket Tejate by going against popular opinion and TRing him?
okIn post 420, fua wrote:Also ignoring 398 in favor of continuing the redtea discussion. I have a townlean on him for now based on a quick and instinctive D1 readslist. Deal with it.
Which is what you did by saying they’re in a feud that I was trying to stoke the flames of.In post 421, GuiltyLion wrote:I do think anyone claiming to tie Cephrir and Tejate together would be making a mistake, yeah.In post 417, fua wrote:What do you make of Tejate’s point that people are trying to tie him and Ceph together? Because you certainly pushed that note when you voted for me. Why can’t you be trying to pocket Tejate by going against popular opinion and TRing him?
You're not wrong that I made some assumptions and suggested a narrative. I don't have any hard data so I offered a hypothetical that made sense to me and pushed it to see what would happen
I'm not trying to pocket to Tejate cause I'm town, but it's certainly not unreasonable for someone to suspect me of doing that, and if that's what you believe you should argue for it