Open 842: Diffusion of Power [Postgame]

[fua]

{amazons}
{Shirou}
{fua, Tejate} -- ffery thought about having fua up one, but it's probably just all the Axe fragrance wafting through the thread
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the rest of you fucks
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{NSG, ydrasse}

Ydrasse because she's kinda looking like she doesn't really want to be active in the thread, and because her numberq vote looked like one of those bold moves she sometimes makes as scum, like she was hurrying to be at the front of the town parade.

NSG is also giving off thread-avoidance vibes and we're still not too thrilled with the way she threw herself in front of our comment to fua. hobnail boots, etc., though it wasn't exactly a line of questioning.

If ydrasse is scum and we're not just being paranoid, then GL's easy townread there after the dancegame becomes a point of great interest.

not enough data to make an educated guess, but kinda scum-leaning tea, and kinda townleaning imaginality

I liked ydrasse's thread presence yesterday, and I liked that at two times - with tejate and nq - she voted just as I was thinking they were suspicious. That's a terrible take I know, but I still liked it. I know she's started posting more now, but I have a headache and I'm going to bed, so reading that other than a skim will have to wait. Vacation is over, so I need to get back on a schedule.

Both heads are suspicious of nsg. Penguin doesn't like that she said the thing about holding off on posting and then didn't post herself. That doesn't bother me so much as I didn't like the post itself, and the interactions with you regarding fua felt wrong. Like it felt like a wrist slap rather than an actual defense or figuring you out. I pondered that it was a scum/scum conversation over fua because something didn't sit right. It just didn't feel like town talking to someone whose alignment she didn't know. I was hoping there'd be more today to see if I was chasing shadows here.

Anyway, I'm going to bed. Might follow along and post again if I can't sleep, but hopefully you don't see me until tomorrow. Don't think Penguin is going to get a chance to post tonight.

I LOVED her presence yesterday and was engraving that day 3 ticket. We've both been less than impressed today and have been thinking about her scum play in a few recent games.

On the gripping hand, her reaction to our reads list didn't strike me as bad, nor did her pushback. So, there's that. We'll probably have to kick the read around further before we settle.

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Regarding the cop claim, I'm gonna stare at that post for a while, shake my head, and wonder out loud why I thought joining this game was a good idea.

BF is curious why I think joining ANY mafia game is a good idea.

You have no idea how bad the last game I was in was. You also underestimate how good I am at being mislimmed.

[Shirou]

I'll hold back

the part of my consciousness that wants to say the awkwardness on Tejate's posts is scummy.

I'll win

this war within.

[fua]

I'll hold back

the part of my consciousness that wants to say the awkwardness on Tejate's posts is scummy.

I'll win

this war within.

Very subtle. I like it.

[Tejate Raichu]

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Lastly, his post "if Shirou is scum he's surely doing a good damn fine job at it" seems rather unusual/difficult to come up with for newbie scum. It may be a single post but it's the kind of person/player I'm. I feel better about reads surrounding a few posts rather than taking the entire ISO of someone into consideration.

I actually use that phrase somewhat often when I'm all but locktowning someone. Of course, I can't really prove this as I have nothing to point to.

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p-edit: @Teijate I can tell fua is likely ballsy, but my opinion that this is the correct course of action to do at the moment remains.

Agreed. I've seen scum do weirder plays, to be honest.

[Cephrir]

Have you never put your ducks in a row and singled out potential miselims to push as scum? By taking one of those away and putting that fat towncred on myself I remove some of their power and give town time to talk about the events preceding my alignment and role reveal.

What towncred are you getting though? That's my point.

well, there is the towncred they're getting from being obviously town on these last 2 pages, does that help

[morph the cat]

{amazons}
{Shirou}
{fua, Tejate} -- ffery thought about having fua up one, but it's probably just all the Axe fragrance wafting through the thread
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the rest of you fucks
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{NSG, ydrasse}

Ydrasse because she's kinda looking like she doesn't really want to be active in the thread, and because her numberq vote looked like one of those bold moves she sometimes makes as scum, like she was hurrying to be at the front of the town parade.

NSG is also giving off thread-avoidance vibes and we're still not too thrilled with the way she threw herself in front of our comment to fua. hobnail boots, etc., though it wasn't exactly a line of questioning.

If ydrasse is scum and we're not just being paranoid, then GL's easy townread there after the dancegame becomes a point of great interest.

not enough data to make an educated guess, but kinda scum-leaning tea, and kinda townleaning imaginality

I liked ydrasse's thread presence yesterday, and I liked that at two times - with tejate and nq - she voted just as I was thinking they were suspicious. That's a terrible take I know, but I still liked it. I know she's started posting more now, but I have a headache and I'm going to bed, so reading that other than a skim will have to wait. Vacation is over, so I need to get back on a schedule.

Both heads are suspicious of nsg. Penguin doesn't like that she said the thing about holding off on posting and then didn't post herself. That doesn't bother me so much as I didn't like the post itself, and the interactions with you regarding fua felt wrong. Like it felt like a wrist slap rather than an actual defense or figuring you out. I pondered that it was a scum/scum conversation over fua because something didn't sit right. It just didn't feel like town talking to someone whose alignment she didn't know. I was hoping there'd be more today to see if I was chasing shadows here.

Anyway, I'm going to bed. Might follow along and post again if I can't sleep, but hopefully you don't see me until tomorrow. Don't think Penguin is going to get a chance to post tonight.

I LOVED her presence yesterday and was engraving that day 3 ticket. We've both been less than impressed today and have been thinking about her scum play in a few recent games.

On the gripping hand, her reaction to our reads list didn't strike me as bad, nor did her pushback. So, there's that. We'll probably have to kick the read around further before we settle.

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Regarding the cop claim, I'm gonna stare at that post for a while, shake my head, and wonder out loud why I thought joining this game was a good idea.

BF is curious why I think joining ANY mafia game is a good idea.

You have no idea how bad the last game I was in was. You also underestimate how good I am at being mislimmed.

While we think you're town, your chances of being elimmed while we're alive are pretty low.

Our reads list was a gauntlet thrown down in that regard. Not that it's particularly needed atm.

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^^ top shelf buddying from spayhalf.

[fua]

I don’t know you or your alignment so it’s better safe than sorry.

[fua]

Have you never put your ducks in a row and singled out potential miselims to push as scum? By taking one of those away and putting that fat towncred on myself I remove some of their power and give town time to talk about the events preceding my alignment and role reveal.

What towncred are you getting though? That's my point.

Being town and explaining my thought process behind the claim.

[Ydrasse]

fua's towning townily

[numberQ]

Have you never put your ducks in a row and singled out potential miselims to push as scum? By taking one of those away and putting that fat towncred on myself I remove some of their power and give town time to talk about the events preceding my alignment and role reveal.

What towncred are you getting though? That's my point.

well, there is the towncred they're getting from being obviously town on these last 2 pages, does that help

Thanks for the input. Not what (or who) I was asking though.

[numberQ]

Have you never put your ducks in a row and singled out potential miselims to push as scum? By taking one of those away and putting that fat towncred on myself I remove some of their power and give town time to talk about the events preceding my alignment and role reveal.

What towncred are you getting though? That's my point.

Being town and explaining my thought process behind the claim.

I think it's a NAI thought process but fair enough I guess.

[morph the cat]

fua's towning townily

Gave up on hot takes and slid into practically already molding stale takes eh?

[fua]

Have you never put your ducks in a row and singled out potential miselims to push as scum? By taking one of those away and putting that fat towncred on myself I remove some of their power and give town time to talk about the events preceding my alignment and role reveal.

What towncred are you getting though? That's my point.

Being town and explaining my thought process behind the claim.

I think it's a NAI thought process but fair enough I guess.

It’s a town thought process because I said it and I’m town.

[imaginality]

So from my read-through, these are the players I'm suspicious of to various degrees:

Cephrir

looks a bit suspicious to me, there's been a few instances of Cephrir commenting negatively on something without following through on it. Seems like the intent is to stir up suspicion rather than scum-hunt.

I'm also suspicious of

Ydrasse

. Need to go back and get the quotes but I remember being pinged at least a couple of times.

I think if anything

fua

's claim today is slightly +scum rather than +town as fua hinted it's a late-day action so it seems like it could be designed to encourage us to keep fua around, while also making docs likely to target fua which is fua is scum gives scum freer rein to kill whoever they like. Definitely feeling a bit wary about that.

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The players I get good townvibes from so far are

Shirou

,

morph

and

numberQ

. I feel okay about

GuiltyLion

too. I don't quite recall what the case was against him but I do recall it didn't seem great to me.

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Having a hard time figuring out where I stand on

Amazonian

and

Tejate

. They will be my focus for digging into tomorrow

I was interested in the way

implosion

defended Ydrasse and NSG in post 632. This is more of an 'if NSG or Ydrasse flip scum, I'd look harder at implosion' thing. I don't see implosion as being as questionable as the players I mentioned above.

redtea

and

northsidegal

fall into TBC, need more data here.

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Mech thoughts:

I'm on board with the 'cops claim results at daystart' plan.

On a different note:

Assuming a 5-5 split, we have on average 97% chance of at least one pair of Town cops (i.e. cops who have the same action on the same night), and 78% chance of two pairs (or one triplet). Even if it's a 4-6 split, the 4 town players have 81% chance of at least one pair.
The same analysis applies to docs, of course.
So objectively, for the town as a whole, we can't really tell a lot from the existence of any particular pair.

However, subjectively it's a little different. Subjectively, there's 1-80%^4 = 60% chance of you being paired with a town player if you're part of five town players with that role (and 50% if there are four of you, 70% if there are six of you). So someone claiming the same role and night as you gives you at least a slight reason to suspect them over baseline suspicion (3/12 = 25%).

[fua]

The point is that I’m not doing it as a late-day action though. We’ve got a lot more time left on the clock to discuss if you want.

[fua]

If you’re a doctor and think I have a chance of being scum trying to take focus onto them, then by all means feel free to prioritize someone else. Me dying will only confirm my role and alignment anyway, so…

[numberQ]

Kind of feels like fua is baiting a cop to target them with all this blatant LAMIST-ing. Which I guess is +town because scum wouldn't want to be targeted?

[Ydrasse]

fua's towning townily

Gave up on hot takes and slid into practically already molding stale takes eh?

yeah expect em room temp from now on

[Ydrasse]

also @numberq i was correlating 270 + 509 as scumreading because you were like vibing with the vote on shirou and then the language u used was doubtful (not buying) vs just like questioning

no i will not link these posts on mobile

[fua]

Kind of feels like fua is baiting a cop to target them with all this blatant LAMIST-ing. Which I guess is +town because scum wouldn't want to be targeted?

Me? LAMISTy?

Take that back.

[Ydrasse]

shirou, fua
tejate, implosion, amazonians, nsg
guiltylion, cephrir, imaginality, numberq
morph, redtea

UNVOTE:
6_6 the only reason i’m not voting morph right now is because we have a lot of the same townreads even if their scum ones are ??? and i feel a little weird about the mason offer to amazonians early on but i don’t know how to verbalize it. i think part of it is being pre-emptively annoyed with how that could play out

i don’t think numberq accuses someone of gaslighting like that as scum that feels like... a weird accusation to make so, nulltime

voting redtea feels like a waste if they’re not active but their entrance was meh

[morph the cat]

why do you have nsg so high?

[morph the cat]

and implosion for that matter

[Ydrasse]

it’s a townlean category so

i liked implosions reply to me about the aesthetic reading . i was too embarrassed to put him higher for that comment but i enjoyed it

most of nsg’s posting to me was null except for her brief interaction with your slot but i thought she looked nice off of it

[morph the cat]

Implosion's interactions with us are giving me dedede vibes, but I haven't (yet) gone back to look at his iso in that game. Insomnia struck so it might be tomorrow before I do that review.