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Post Post #1625 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:37 pm

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In post 1324, Roden wrote:Am I not supposed to defend myself when I'm being accused?
No, you don't always have to defend yourself against every accusation. Doing so takes up unnecessary space and is often not productive. In fact, it is generally better to provide more content in the form of reads than to keep defending yourself.
In post 1324, Roden wrote:And at what point am I "treading the same ground again and again" when I'm not even the one bringing up those posts?
Let's see...

You ask Dragons in why he thinks you are scum when he has already explained multiple times in places like , , and . You are asking a player to explain their argument again for the one hundredth time when they had already explained it 99 other times. Your follow up in , while it provides some insight into why you think Dragon's read of you is flawed, sticks mostly to the same tired argument where you reduce it to "I'm guilty if I do, and I am guilty if I don't," like you did in .
In post 1324, Roden wrote:Also claiming OMGUS is lazy and not even factual because I town read two
This is not the impression I got when reading your posts, though you are right that your reads have shifted towards town on them in your recent posts. My point made in the context of your previous posts like where you call Dragons's approach to reading you "dishonest" and in where you mention Cephrir "like
making [his] life difficult". I admit, you do in the same post say that Dragons is town, but it's easy to glaze over when you spend so much time arguing back and forth. It suggests to me that you believe what is being argued is incorrect (which we agree is your stance), and that in turn implies that you scum read the people making the argument (because if you town read them, there's no point in continuing to argue; you argue to show an argument is flawed and that the person making it is not doing so with honest (read "townie") intentions).
In post 1330, The Three Bears wrote:scum roden is trying to shake people off by being pleasant. There's a certain amount of like jokey stuff in there.
town roden is just like what the fuck why are your reasons shit.

this is town roden. im pretty certain of it.
I feel this is incredibly easy to manipulate. It makes sense from a motivation standpoint, but I would be wary of trying to read a slot on this alone.
In post 1334, The Three Bears wrote:besides arcade and ircher as well
What is the point of asking if you are just going to exclude the thread's top scum reads? It would be more direct just to ask for a reads list.
In post 1355, Val89 wrote:All I want is for you to explain the thinking there.
This has been asked so many times before, and Roden made it clear he wasn't going to give a straight answer to this. There was no need to ask for the sixteenth time.
In post 1359, Roden wrote:Val...I did explain it. I've explained it several times now. I'm not going to do it again.
No, you explained it with circular reasoning and then countered any attempts to extract an honest answer with "I already explained/I didn't use circular reasoning" when you hadn't explained clearly. Your response in is clear evidence of such; you finally acknowledge that you did try to use circular reasoning, but you still hadn't addressed the original point even with that acknowledgement.
In post 1361, Val89 wrote:I've already explained that it isn't. I'm not going to explain yet again to you or anyone else.
Where? I looked at your ISO, and it seems to me that it's only Roden's Greeting and LLD read that caught your attention. Sure, that doesn't imply that it's the only thing that caught your attention, but it also doesn't imply that something else also grabbed your attention with regards to Roden. (In , you give a detailed explanation of why you are interested in Roden answering it, but you don't actually mention or hint at there being other reasons you are interested in Roden.)
In post 1370, tictac wrote:weird how few votes on roden despite people arguing 4 it so loudly
I find this comment weird as I only saw a few loud voices about Roden, but just because you are dismantling a poorly-argued argument doesn't imply you scum read that slot. Others have made passing comments, but that doesn't really count as "loud".
In post 1372, Roden wrote:Interesting that I have to ISO both of us, and in under two minutes I can find the answer you're looking for while proving your answer doesn't exist.
What you just proved is that you in fact did not answer the question as evidenced by Dragon's last response to you. Also, it's probably easy for you to find since you know what you're looking for (as you made the posts in questions). The rest of us do not have that luxury.
In post 1384, Val89 wrote:At that's the last time we will have that discussion.
Call it scummy. Go on. I dare you.
In post 1385, Andante wrote:that's scummy!
(No additional comment needed.)
In post 1417, The Three Bears wrote:Yeah Val is scum. Seeing what Mama and Baby bears think.

-- The Pinkinator.
I think your portrayal of the ISO is pretty accurate, but once again like with Roden before, I have trouble jumping straight to the conclusion. That is, the stubbornness could come (and in all honestly, is more likely to come) from stubborn town rather than caught scum that doesn't want to back out. What is scum Val gaining with this approach other than Roden's ire?
In post 1420, Save The Dragons wrote:i was expecting the game to be paced a little faster but yeah i'm having fun
No, the pacing was perfect at about 5-8 pages a day. 10-15 pages like what happened today is too many for those of us who aren't checking 24/7.

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Post Post #1626 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:38 pm

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In post 1623, Bell wrote:Long day.
I'd like more votes on Grendal.
and i'd like to ride the skies on a magic dragon

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Post Post #1627 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:39 pm

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Question Ircher, I feel kind of like you're ignoring me.
Are you trying to get me miseliminated later?
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Post Post #1628 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:40 pm

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Nah STD,
When I say I would like more votes on Grendal I mean I demand more votes on Grendal until they have to claim or die.
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Post Post #1629 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:41 pm

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In post 1627, Bell wrote:Question Ircher, I feel kind of like you're ignoring me.
Are you trying to get me miseliminated later?
You haven't stood out to me much at all. So yes, I am in a sense ignoring you.
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Post Post #1630 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:41 pm

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you don't think i've demanded for a dragon pet
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Post Post #1631 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:42 pm

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You don't have that sense of entitlement that I have. :3
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Post Post #1632 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:42 pm

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*wiggles outreached fingers*

Vote Grendal, the game has stalled and I want him to claim.
He hasn't made the slot better.
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Post Post #1633 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:44 pm

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In post 1629, Ircher wrote:
In post 1627, Bell wrote:Question Ircher, I feel kind of like you're ignoring me.
Are you trying to get me miseliminated later?
You haven't stood out to me much at all. So yes, I am in a sense ignoring you.
This didn't actually answer my question. X:
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Post Post #1634 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:46 pm

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Your question is rhetorical in nature. I don't see a need to answer it directly.
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Post Post #1635 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:48 pm

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If you insist, my read on you is basically null with a twinge of town based on the activity tell, which I don't put too much stock in because it is easily manipulated. Interpret that as you wish.
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Post Post #1636 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:48 pm

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Everything is meaningless and life is what we make of it.
What's your point. Just answer it or don't I guess.
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Post Post #1637 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:48 pm

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Who convinced me Ircher over Arcade… I’m going back to Arcade
VOTE: Arcade
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Post Post #1638 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:49 pm

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Sounds fair if you entirely ignore that I dipped off the face of the earth and my activity is actually really low this game if you track it.
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Post Post #1639 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:50 pm

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Hi adante, May I interest you in a vote on a Grendal vote in the spirit of community?
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Post Post #1640 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:51 pm

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You're still in the top half of posters. There are a lot of loud posters in this player list, so it's hard to tell who is dipping it out due to the noise. (To be clear here, being "loud" isn't an issue by itself. It just makes it harder to keep track of the quieter slots.)
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Post Post #1641 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:53 pm

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It does not directly imply it, but I find that non-posters are not gunna post no matter how much or how little everyone else posts.
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Post Post #1642 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:55 pm

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In post 1639, Bell wrote:Hi adante, May I interest you in a vote on a Grendal vote in the spirit of community?
yeah sure VOTE: Grendal
I don’t really have strong reads here other than I won’t vote Bears/Dragons/Ceph here and uhhh yeah also haven’t read a lot of the game
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Post Post #1643 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:58 pm

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Now, how they are perceived or how much attention their posts get in a relative vacuum of activity, that's fair I guess. But it doesn't really change that they aren't posting. It's more of the equivalent of human attention span-news cycle-lurking.

But voting a lurker until morale improves is certainly not terrible at this stage of the game.
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Post Post #1644 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:58 pm

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In post 1642, Andante wrote:
In post 1639, Bell wrote:Hi adante, May I interest you in a vote on a Grendal vote in the spirit of community?
yeah sure VOTE: Grendal
I don’t really have strong reads here other than I won’t vote Bears/Dragons/Ceph here and uhhh yeah also haven’t read a lot of the game
Thanks for being a team player regardless of your alignment.
and even though I'm probably wrong. :3.
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Post Post #1645 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:04 pm

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I got you Bell!!! Tomorrow I’ll look into if I actually agree or not lol
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Post Post #1646 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:05 pm

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There's almost nothing to agree or disagree with. Neither have posted much.
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Post Post #1647 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:06 pm

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i mean hey, if there’s 7 maf, we have good odds here of finding one
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Post Post #1648 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:39 pm

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i lied. i dont have the time today. i just finished hw and have sat prep. cannot do stuff today :(
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Post Post #1649 (ISO) » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:54 pm

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also i literally hate doing this because i always get shit on for it. but what is up with saying theres 7 scum? when i heard it i was like wtf but i didnt want to say something and get absolutely shit on. i swear half of this site just thinks i run into every scum game and fake townslip the number of scum after death curse.

i checked with my hydra buddies and they said that it shouldn't be seven. i checked my role pm, the sign up thread, and the large theme queue thread. none of them had number of scum. i also looked at tenet and it had 6 scum and 26 players.

we have 22 players. its not 7. why are people saying its 7???????????????
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