What are your overall reads now? Your last reads list I could find was the top of 892.
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I don't know, I still need to do those ISOs I hoped to do last night. Though from skimming through redtea's today, they do seem to start actually playing after the point I stopped reading. Have not looked at imaginality at all. Expect more thoughts on redtea v imag in the next few hours probably.In post 1545, Shirou wrote:I'm interested to see what Ceph will decide here
@numberQ, you seem kinda whatever/neutral on redtea while kinda suspicious of some imaginality's posts. Are you willing to vote him in a redtea vs imaginality dilemma?
I don't have a feel for the current gamestate except that there's something between you and redtea. How does implosion factor into that? Why do I need to prove myself town to you, and how does an implo vote do that?In post 1547, imaginality wrote:I'll vote redtea if it does come down to redtea or me, of course, but currently I would rather see implosion or numberQ limmed and I think there's time for that to happen.
numberQ's iso has a lot of caveats, to-dos and minor questions. He backed off his early suspicion of Cephrir. I'm not seeing anything strikingly towny in his posts.
He can prove himself town by voting implosion with me though - how about it, numberQ?Hey!-
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If you help get implosion limmed today and he flips scum it would be extremely unlikely you were bussing him, considering how easily you (if scum) can get away with encouraging or acquiescing to mislimming me instead.In post 1552, numberQ wrote:
I don't have a feel for the current gamestate except that there's something between you and redtea. How does implosion factor into that? Why do I need to prove myself town to you, and how does an implo vote do that?In post 1547, imaginality wrote:I'll vote redtea if it does come down to redtea or me, of course, but currently I would rather see implosion or numberQ limmed and I think there's time for that to happen.
numberQ's iso has a lot of caveats, to-dos and minor questions. He backed off his early suspicion of Cephrir. I'm not seeing anything strikingly towny in his posts.
He can prove himself town by voting implosion with me though - how about it, numberQ?
I think implosion has a better chance of flipping scum than redtea and I'm wary that people are trying to make this an imaginality vs redtea dilemma when there's still time to coalesce around a better option."holy shit this entire time i thought imaginalitys profile was a purple seahorse" - camelCasedSnivy-
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Starting with redtea because they have the least amount of posts of the three I wanted to pay more attention to. Beware, I quote a couple of long posts unabridged in here.
Spoiler: redtea posts that interested me
Overall thoughts: redtea started out very fluffy, which gave me town vibes of not caring. This can be easy to fake as scum however, so I think you sort that by looking at how they continue to play throughout the game. The rest of redtea’s ISO sees them caring a little more than their first 20 or so posts - the fluff gets cut down, but it’s replaced with very minor reads and light analysis. I struggle to see the perspective behind many of their posts, especially the ones where they’re trying.
But I keep coming back to the thought I had originally, which was - is scum this blatantly superficial? There were moments where I felt scum!redtea could have faked more thoughts, like with the mech analysis thing at the end of the spoiler. If this is scum then they’re either really struggling to fake reads in a game that has plenty of bait to do so, or they’re trying really really hard to look like town that doesn’t care.
(I’m going to hold off any explicit reads until I finish at least the imaginality ISO and probably some snooping in Shirou’s as well, since some recent posts indicate that may be important to sorting redtea.)Hey!-
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Hmm. From any perspective but yours the exact same thing can be said about you. If I help get you limmed and you flip scum, then it's unlikely I'm bussing there either. This argument is only helpful to anyone who has you as locktown I think, which is not me.In post 1553, imaginality wrote:
If you help get implosion limmed today and he flips scum it would be extremely unlikely you were bussing him, considering how easily you (if scum) can get away with encouraging or acquiescing to mislimming me instead.In post 1552, numberQ wrote:
I don't have a feel for the current gamestate except that there's something between you and redtea. How does implosion factor into that? Why do I need to prove myself town to you, and how does an implo vote do that?In post 1547, imaginality wrote:I'll vote redtea if it does come down to redtea or me, of course, but currently I would rather see implosion or numberQ limmed and I think there's time for that to happen.
numberQ's iso has a lot of caveats, to-dos and minor questions. He backed off his early suspicion of Cephrir. I'm not seeing anything strikingly towny in his posts.
He can prove himself town by voting implosion with me though - how about it, numberQ?
I think implosion has a better chance of flipping scum than redtea and I'm wary that people are trying to make this an imaginality vs redtea dilemma when there's still time to coalesce around a better option.Hey!-
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I disagree: because I'm more likely to get limmed there's more incentive for scum to bus me (if I were scum), rather than bus a better placed buddy. So the two lims aren't equivalent.In post 1555, numberQ wrote:
Hmm. From any perspective but yours the exact same thing can be said about you. If I help get you limmed and you flip scum, then it's unlikely I'm bussing there either. This argument is only helpful to anyone who has you as locktown I think, which is not me.In post 1553, imaginality wrote:
If you help get implosion limmed today and he flips scum it would be extremely unlikely you were bussing him, considering how easily you (if scum) can get away with encouraging or acquiescing to mislimming me instead.In post 1552, numberQ wrote:
I don't have a feel for the current gamestate except that there's something between you and redtea. How does implosion factor into that? Why do I need to prove myself town to you, and how does an implo vote do that?In post 1547, imaginality wrote:I'll vote redtea if it does come down to redtea or me, of course, but currently I would rather see implosion or numberQ limmed and I think there's time for that to happen.
numberQ's iso has a lot of caveats, to-dos and minor questions. He backed off his early suspicion of Cephrir. I'm not seeing anything strikingly towny in his posts.
He can prove himself town by voting implosion with me though - how about it, numberQ?
I think implosion has a better chance of flipping scum than redtea and I'm wary that people are trying to make this an imaginality vs redtea dilemma when there's still time to coalesce around a better option.
If you're town, and have suspicions of both me and implosion, supporting limming me is low reward for you, limming implosion is higher reward (in terms of your town cred). Although obviously if you think I'm much scummier than implosion then limming me makes more sense."holy shit this entire time i thought imaginalitys profile was a purple seahorse" - camelCasedSnivy-
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VOTE: imaginality
yeah, I don't like the bargaining for numberQ's vote and I don't really buy the level of projected confidence in his implosion scumread, I think implosion's later play has felt quite townie and earlier whenever imaginality was casing implosion he sounded a lot more doubtful/uncertain than he is acting now"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I townread all these names here, Ceph/NSG are lighter townreads, I still SR redtea, I'm waffley on Tejate/numberQ I think there could be a scum there. Really not sure how to read you, at times posts have felt town but I agree with the general thread vibe that you aren't yet aIn post 1333, GuiltyLion wrote:I think Shirou/implosion/AL/Ydrasse/fua is a fundamentally sound town core at the moment, I really like a lot of Shirou's posts re:imaginality and Tejate, and I think scum is going to have a hard time breaking into that townbloc even if there's capable scum in like Ceph or NSG who hasn't made any mistakes yet. and I don't even think that's likely I townread both of them still as well.confidenttownread, probably same tier as Ceph/NSG where I definitely don't want to lim/wagon today but I wouldn't bet the game on y'all being town."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I'm more sure he's scum than I amIn post 1558, GuiltyLion wrote:VOTE: imaginality
yeah, I don't like the bargaining for numberQ's vote and I don't really buy the level of projected confidence in his implosion scumread, I think implosion's later play has felt quite townie and earlier whenever imaginality was casing implosion he sounded a lot more doubtful/uncertain than he is acting now"holy shit this entire time i thought imaginalitys profile was a purple seahorse" - camelCasedSnivy-
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It isn't intended to.In post 1557, numberQ wrote:This plea isn't improving my opinion of you
Like I say, if you think I'm clearly scummier than implosion then say so and vote me. My point was if you see us similarly (which was the impression I got from one of your earlier posts) then it makes more sense to lim implosion.
If nothing else, if implosion does turn out to be town I'd almost certainly be tomorrow's lim whereas I have less confidence that implosion would be tomorrow's lim when I flip town."holy shit this entire time i thought imaginalitys profile was a purple seahorse" - camelCasedSnivy-
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What even? If you're town that applies to everyone.In post 1560, imaginality wrote:
I'm more sure he's scum than I amIn post 1558, GuiltyLion wrote:VOTE: imaginality
yeah, I don't like the bargaining for numberQ's vote and I don't really buy the level of projected confidence in his implosion scumread, I think implosion's later play has felt quite townie and earlier whenever imaginality was casing implosion he sounded a lot more doubtful/uncertain than he is acting now-
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I asked this because of your post about there being a deep scum in your townreads if either of redtea or imaginality are town. That sounded like you have a binary list that contained at most one null.In post 1559, GuiltyLion wrote:@Morph
I townread all these names here, Ceph/NSG are lighter townreads, I still SR redtea, I'm waffley on Tejate/numberQ I think there could be a scum there. Really not sure how to read you, at times posts have felt town but I agree with the general thread vibe that you aren't yet aIn post 1333, GuiltyLion wrote:I think Shirou/implosion/AL/Ydrasse/fua is a fundamentally sound town core at the moment, I really like a lot of Shirou's posts re:imaginality and Tejate, and I think scum is going to have a hard time breaking into that townbloc even if there's capable scum in like Ceph or NSG who hasn't made any mistakes yet. and I don't even think that's likely I townread both of them still as well.confidenttownread, probably same tier as Ceph/NSG where I definitely don't want to lim/wagon today but I wouldn't bet the game on y'all being town.
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I think I did greatly overreact to imaginality's comment on me and it probably heavily tinted my view of the slot, but I'm not exactly in love with their recent posts.
Surprisingly, I actually quite like nQ's catchup for the most part. I don't feel particularly offput by anything said this time around. Hmm.-
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Yes of course.In post 1562, fua wrote:
What even? If you're town that applies to everyone.In post 1560, imaginality wrote:
I'm more sure he's scum than I amIn post 1558, GuiltyLion wrote:VOTE: imaginality
yeah, I don't like the bargaining for numberQ's vote and I don't really buy the level of projected confidence in his implosion scumread, I think implosion's later play has felt quite townie and earlier whenever imaginality was casing implosion he sounded a lot more doubtful/uncertain than he is acting now
The point is the more it's me on the chopping block the less I need to be sure of my case on someone else to push for them hard. Because the equation in my head is less "should I push this person vs investigating these others" and more "if I don't get momentum going on someone else I'm gonna be limmed".
Or to put it another way, I am only somewhat confident that implosion is more likely scum than GuiltyLion/Cephrir/etc.
But I am greatly confident he's more likely scum than I am.
Idk. This makes sense in my head."holy shit this entire time i thought imaginalitys profile was a purple seahorse" - camelCasedSnivy-
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Not gonna lie this thought crossed my mind as well.
This weekend got away from me and I’m headed to bed soon, so I won’t be doing much tonight.
I don’t particularly like the way that imaginality is bargaining with nq. I don’t mind that he’s bargaining, but the way he’s bargaining with nq about the towncred he’ll get if he votes implosion over him feels wrong in its presentation. I read backwards so at first I thought he was talking to an no that he was town reading with the promise of towncred which felt wrong but then it made a little more sense to see him scumreading nq as well, but the focus still feels weird. Eh I just reread 1561 and he is somewhat doing what I was going to say I thought he should be doing, so I don’t know, I’ll come back to this tomorrow.-
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What???In post 1566, imaginality wrote:
Yes of course.In post 1562, fua wrote:
What even? If you're town that applies to everyone.In post 1560, imaginality wrote:
I'm more sure he's scum than I amIn post 1558, GuiltyLion wrote:VOTE: imaginality
yeah, I don't like the bargaining for numberQ's vote and I don't really buy the level of projected confidence in his implosion scumread, I think implosion's later play has felt quite townie and earlier whenever imaginality was casing implosion he sounded a lot more doubtful/uncertain than he is acting now
The point is the more it's me on the chopping block the less I need to be sure of my case on someone else to push for them hard. Because the equation in my head is less "should I push this person vs investigating these others" and more "if I don't get momentum going on someone else I'm gonna be limmed".
Or to put it another way, I am only somewhat confident that implosion is more likely scum than GuiltyLion/Cephrir/etc.
But I am greatly confident he's more likely scum than I am.
Idk. This makes sense in my head.
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for what it's worth I don't think imaginality trying to get a wagon on implosion like that is scummy. I would do the same thing regardless of my alignment if I was in his position.
I really do think it was more AI-revealing the fact he didn't react like this from the start
/shrug
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p-edit: actually fua has a point. If it was only self-preservation he could vote redtea rather than implosion. The unique reason to not do that is if he was that much more confident on implosion flipping scum/redtea being town but...I don't know if I buy he has that much more confidence on implosion huh..."Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
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We're at an in between point timewise. If it was like less than four days to deadline then your and fua's point would be right, bur right now I just feel that I want to push for implosion a bit more rather than accept the redtea vs imaginality framing others are trying to funnel this situation intoIn post 1569, Shirou wrote:for what it's worth I don't think imaginality trying to get a wagon on implosion like that is scummy. I would do the same thing regardless of my alignment if I was in his position.
I really do think it was more AI-revealing the fact he didn't react like this from the start
/shrug
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p-edit: actually fua has a point. If it was only self-preservation he could vote redtea rather than implosion. The unique reason to not do that is if he was that much more confident on implosion flipping scum/redtea being town but...I don't know if I buy he has that much more confidence on implosion huh..."holy shit this entire time i thought imaginalitys profile was a purple seahorse" - camelCasedSnivy-
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when did I become a scumread? You had me as top town in 1116In post 1566, imaginality wrote: Or to put it another way, I am only somewhat confident that implosion is more likely scum than GuiltyLion/Cephrir/etc.
also, whatexactlyis your read on redtea? You've been very null to scum on them whenever you've talked about them or given a read on them, but you seem Very Confident implosion is more likely to flip red than they are, why do you think redtea is more likely to be town? In 1173 you suggested redtea might be scum because your wagon sprang up much quicker than theirs. Yet you aren't demonstrating any real interest in voting redtea, and saying things like this:
as if people are trying to tie your alignments together instead of just independently scumreading/wagoning redtea? For me personally at least I haven't been trying to push for a "redtea vs imaginality" situation, I was pushing redtea cause I thought they were scummy and wanted to see whether people had reasons to vote or not to vote there, had nothing to do with your wagon. But I do find it weird that you don't claim to townread redtea, yet despite being the leading wagon you're not voting a slot that several other players want limmed in favor of your vanity scumread - it doesn't feel very genuine to me, feels like you're resistant to voting redtea for reasons you aren't willing to shareIn post 1570, imaginality wrote:I just feel that I want to push for implosion a bit more rather than accept the redtea vs imaginality framing others are trying to funnel this situation into
If I'm wrong and you have reasons to not want to lim redtea, correct me by all means, I just don't see any evidence of it in your ISO. And I know I said this earlier but I also just don't buy your confidence in implosion, this feels very similar to many times I've seen him as town and I don't think the case/reasoning against him that you laid out in 1105 is all that scum-indicative. like how would you really boil down the case against him here when you get to the nuts and bolts of it? he downplayed his ability to play mafia and seems too worried about what morph thinks of him? I don't find it hard to imagine that coming from town"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I am running low on motivation for the game rn. I think even if I do put stock in that one thing from imag being townish he's still on net scummy. The argument he's making right now is mostly just weird for reasons people like fua have outlined already. There's a lot of time in the day left but I don't think using it for the sake of using it is correct when the game is seemingly running out of steam (3 days ago was 6 pages back, another 3 days ago takes us back about another 20 pages, though part of that is probably the weekend but etc).
If anyone has anything in particular they want me to respond to I'm happy to but I mostly feel blah for partially in-game (wanting a flip) and partially out-of-game reasons.-
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what others? and how are they doing so.In post 1570, imaginality wrote:
We're at an in between point timewise. If it was like less than four days to deadline then your and fua's point would be right, bur right now I just feel that I want to push for implosion a bit moreIn post 1569, Shirou wrote:for what it's worth I don't think imaginality trying to get a wagon on implosion like that is scummy. I would do the same thing regardless of my alignment if I was in his position.
I really do think it was more AI-revealing the fact he didn't react like this from the start
/shrug
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p-edit: actually fua has a point. If it was only self-preservation he could vote redtea rather than implosion. The unique reason to not do that is if he was that much more confident on implosion flipping scum/redtea being town but...I don't know if I buy he has that much more confidence on implosion huh...rather than accept the redtea vs imaginality framing others are trying to funnel this situation into
I feel like this is how things have worked out so far, but it's not at all clear to me that several players are efforting to make the game come down to you vs redtea.-
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I didn't call you a scumread. I picked a couple of names at random since my point was just to illustrate that:In post 1571, GuiltyLion wrote:
when did I become a scumread? You had me as top town in 1116In post 1566, imaginality wrote: Or to put it another way, I am only somewhat confident that implosion is more likely scum than GuiltyLion/Cephrir/etc.
A-C > A-B
A = chance implosion is scum
B = chance any other player are scum
C = chance I'm scum (0% from my pov)
I do have a general sense that I've been less impressed by your posts recently compared with earlier, I wouldn't have you top tier town any more, but as I haven't been particularly focused on you, I think my impression is mainly based on my sense you're happy settling on me and doing less pushing of others.
I gave a different take on that in #1179:also, whatexactlyis your read on redtea? You've been very null to scum on them whenever you've talked about them or given a read on them, but you seem Very Confident implosion is more likely to flip red than they are, why do you think redtea is more likely to be town? In 1173 you suggested redtea might be scum because your wagon sprang up much quicker than theirs.
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That was my first thought. On reflection it could also be because we've had that discussion about the need for wagons.In post 1176, implosion wrote:
Informative of what - are you implying redtea is scum vs you being town with this, or something else?In post 1173, imaginality wrote:Look at the speed of this wagon vs redtea though. I think the difference is potentially informative.
I also noticed both Ydrasse and Cephrir got onto both wagons early. So if redtea is scum either my read on them is wrong or they were bussing (or maybe just distancing since it didn't seem super likely that the redtea wagon would lead to a quick lim).
It's not about tying our alignments together, it's the sense that the day is funnelling down into "do we lim imaginality or redtea" rather than continuing to look wider.Yet you aren't demonstrating any real interest in voting redtea, and saying things like this:
as if people are trying to tie your alignments together instead of just independently scumreading/wagoning redtea?In post 1570, imaginality wrote:I just feel that I want to push for implosion a bit more rather than accept the redtea vs imaginality framing others are trying to funnel this situation into
That's part of why redtea looks a bit better to me now, because I think if they're scum as well, scum would be keeping more names in the mix unless they're pretty sure of getting me mislimmed over redtea.
Why is it a 'vanity scumread'? Isn't that in itself proof you see this as a me vs redtea showdown, despite your earlier demurral?For me personally at least I haven't been trying to push for a "redtea vs imaginality" situation, I was pushing redtea cause I thought they were scummy and wanted to see whether people had reasons to vote or not to vote there, had nothing to do with your wagon.
But I do find it weird that you don't claim to townread redtea, yet despite being the leading wagon you're not voting a slot that several other players want limmed in favor of your vanity scumread - it doesn't feel very genuine to me, feels like you're resistant to voting redtea for reasons you aren't willing to share
#1179 was one (players I saw as scummy on their wagon as well as mine). I've given another above. And a couple of their posts since my last readslist have come across as genuine, for example post 1323 doesn't seem likely to come from scum (since it's arguing against a point people were making against me) and post 1512 just felt like it didn't have hidden agenda behind it.If I'm wrong and you have reasons to not want to lim redtea, correct me by all means, I just don't see any evidence of it in your ISO.
I'll come back to this but off the top of my head:And I know I said this earlier but I also just don't buy your confidence in implosion, this feels very similar to many times I've seen him as town and I don't think the case/reasoning against him that you laid out in 1105 is all that scum-indicative. like how would you really boil down the case against him here when you get to the nuts and bolts of it? he downplayed his ability to play mafia and seems too worried about what morph thinks of him? I don't find it hard to imagine that coming from town
-feeling like there's hidden agenda to his posts
-feeling like he's less clear than he was in his last game as town, and more selfconscious about how he's being read
-him being on both redtea and me
-feeling like he's not really trying to sort me"holy shit this entire time i thought imaginalitys profile was a purple seahorse" - camelCasedSnivy
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