Micro 1041: Geriatric F11 [Postgame]
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I've seen town hammer without warning plenty of times, but not in RVS, at least not intentionally (may have happened once or twice in newbie games).
Come to think of it I think it's wildly unlikely that scum would ever put an E-1 vote on someone with the motive "maybe some town player will lolhammer!" It's just not a remotely likely strategy to ever work. Even if you told me Roadkill is scum I still wouldn't believe that was their motive here, and I agree I'd like Andante to clarify how plausible she really finds this idea.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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I can see lolhammers happening, but I don't think a page 1 lolhammer was going to happen here. Andante slightly +town for her reaction though, I think scum would try to be more calm and controlled in their response to a page 1 E-1. Scum are more likely to think panic will be seen as a scum tell, and instead try to give a townie-sounding response to diffuse the situation.-
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In post 27, joqiza wrote:Are you gonna explain that or are you just gonna act mysterious and make me speculate as to your reasoning. I can only assume you SR Roadkill for the E-1 and as for Dwlee I have no idea why you voted him when you did
Roadkill was for the Andante vote, yes. Town are usually too paranoid to do that because it opens up dumb hammer possibilities where scum feels more confident it won't happen and if it does, they expect the hammer to look worse than their vote anyway.In post 27, joqiza wrote:Are you gonna explain that or are you just gonna act mysterious and make me speculate as to your reasoning. I can only assume you SR Roadkill for the E-1 and as for Dwlee I have no idea why you voted him when you did
Dwelees entrance "someone has to start the game" shows an awkwardness I noticed from him in a pick your poison game we just played. It's kind of a mix of not really seeming to want to post and justifying why he is doing so anyway. The unvote when the wagon got big and vote on Mc Esther to create a mini wagon kind of confirms this. And actually the more I look at this the more I'm making myself confident in Dwelee over Roadkill so I'm probably switching at the end of this post. I'm gonna finish reading first though.
Why and why?Three wrote: VOTE: mc esther
Umlaut is very likely town
Unvote, Vote Dwelee3-2 as scum and 5-8 as town
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I don't like to bus in micros thoughIn post 22, Sleepless Assassin wrote:
Bus your buddy and vote Roadkill with me.In post 21, Dwlee99 wrote:UNVOTE:
I've seen lolhammer in RVS, typically from scum though, or in a meme game. I don't think it is scummy to question that line from Andante but I don't think that line is AI from her either.
I like Umlaut for town right now so I'll join this
VOTE: mc Esther
My post was in reference to the fact that we only get 10 posts per day, but someone has to be the first to use one to get the ball rolling onto something. Your read of my scum play is pretty good as far as not really /wanting/ to post, but your interpretation of my post and its actual meaning are completely divorcedIn post 31, Sleepless Assassin wrote:
Dwelees entrance "someone has to start the game" shows an awkwardness I noticed from him in a pick your poison game we just played. It's kind of a mix of not really seeming to want to post and justifying why he is doing so anyway. The unvote when the wagon got big and vote on Mc Esther to create a mini wagon kind of confirms this. And actually the more I look at this the more I'm making myself confident in Dwelee over Roadkill so I'm probably switching at the end of this post. I'm gonna finish reading first though.I prefer they, thanks :)-
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no it's notIn post 18, Umlaut wrote:This on the other hand is bad
UNVOTE:
VOTE: three
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Oh well if you say so.
Everyone, Esther has clarified that her post isn't bad, nothing to see here.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Some games I go absolutely wild with posting lolIn post 33, Sleepless Assassin wrote:If that's true, you're a lot more concerned with the post limit than I am. Which isn't impossible. But it seems weird right out of the gate like that.I prefer they, thanks :)-
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"Bad" is a loose term, anyway. What did you even mean when you called her post bad? Did you mean it was a post a wolf was more likely to make? Did you mean it was anti-town or illogical? Did you simply disagree with what it was saying? Those are all valid interpretations and even though I assume it's the first I can't actually be sure.In post 36, Umlaut wrote:Oh well if you say so.
Everyone, Esther has clarified that her post isn't bad, nothing to see here.
You could be calling her post bad and she could be denying it and you might even both agree with each other but you have different definitions.
I've used "bad" as casual shorthand myself so I'm not trying to act superior. I've just given it some thought and maybe instead of calling things "bad" (or, on that subject, using the impossibly vague and somewhat offensive "gross") we could make it a habit to explain what we mean in precise terms.-
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To put what I said into practice... I'm assuming bad means wolfy here, but why is 4th, 3rd... wolfier than 3rd, 3rd?In post 35, mc esther wrote:actually he was just third on both wagons, that's not anywhere near as bad.-
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In post 34, mc esther wrote:
no it's notIn post 18, Umlaut wrote:This on the other hand is bad
UNVOTE:
VOTE: three
fourth on the andante wagon, third on me
This is a weird justification, but the vote hopping kind of pings me as town. Though personally I'd likely scum read whoever's third on a wagon in a micro set up, I feel like the middle of a wagon is the best place for scum to hide.In post 35, mc esther wrote:actually he was just third on both wagons, that's not anywhere near as bad.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: dwlee
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VOTE: Dwlee
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In post 26, Sleepless Assassin wrote:It would have strengthened my read if Roadkill was a new player. He clearly isn't so that weakens it. I still don't have a stronger scum read than Roadkill/Dwelee.
what about my experience level changes your read on me?In post 31, Sleepless Assassin wrote:In post 27, joqiza wrote:Are you gonna explain that or are you just gonna act mysterious and make me speculate as to your reasoning. I can only assume you SR Roadkill for the E-1 and as for Dwlee I have no idea why you voted him when you did
Roadkill was for the Andante vote, yes. Town are usually too paranoid to do that because it opens up dumb hammer possibilities where scum feels more confident it won't happen and if it does, they expect the hammer to look worse than their vote anyway.In post 27, joqiza wrote:Are you gonna explain that or are you just gonna act mysterious and make me speculate as to your reasoning. I can only assume you SR Roadkill for the E-1 and as for Dwlee I have no idea why you voted him when you did
Dwelees entrance "someone has to start the game" shows an awkwardness I noticed from him in a pick your poison game we just played. It's kind of a mix of not really seeming to want to post and justifying why he is doing so anyway. The unvote when the wagon got big and vote on Mc Esther to create a mini wagon kind of confirms this. And actually the more I look at this the more I'm making myself confident in Dwelee over Roadkill so I'm probably switching at the end of this post. I'm gonna finish reading first though.
Why and why?Three wrote: VOTE: mc esther
Umlaut is very likely town
Unvote, Vote Dwelee
though, you are right, i am not a new player -- and in my experiences through play, people actually judge the e-1 vote a lot more than the hammer (because it can be called an accident, a lolhammer, 'moving on the game', etc, with a lot of room for whimsy versus theintentional choiceof putting someone on e-1.) and this is a bit of self meta, but i don't think that i would be comfortable calling attention to myself like that in a smaller game, knowing how it'd be judged.
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In post 32, Dwlee99 wrote:
I don't like to bus in micros thoughIn post 22, Sleepless Assassin wrote:
Bus your buddy and vote Roadkill with me.In post 21, Dwlee99 wrote:UNVOTE:
I've seen lolhammer in RVS, typically from scum though, or in a meme game. I don't think it is scummy to question that line from Andante but I don't think that line is AI from her either.
I like Umlaut for town right now so I'll join this
VOTE: mc Esther
My post was in reference to the fact that we only get 10 posts per day, but someone has to be the first to use one to get the ball rolling onto something. Your read of my scum play is pretty good as far as not really /wanting/ to post, but your interpretation of my post and its actual meaning are completely divorcedIn post 31, Sleepless Assassin wrote:
Dwelees entrance "someone has to start the game" shows an awkwardness I noticed from him in a pick your poison game we just played. It's kind of a mix of not really seeming to want to post and justifying why he is doing so anyway. The unvote when the wagon got big and vote on Mc Esther to create a mini wagon kind of confirms this. And actually the more I look at this the more I'm making myself confident in Dwelee over Roadkill so I'm probably switching at the end of this post. I'm gonna finish reading first though.
so in reference to your explanation of your scum play, is there any reason that you aren't going wild in this one?In post 38, Dwlee99 wrote:
Some games I go absolutely wild with posting lolIn post 33, Sleepless Assassin wrote:If that's true, you're a lot more concerned with the post limit than I am. Which isn't impossible. But it seems weird right out of the gate like that.
21 is the only real 'content' post you've made, and it's a little hedge-y.-
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Esther vote was because the Andante wagon was useless and I wanted a new wagon, plus early competing wagons are a good thing.In post 31, Sleepless Assassin wrote:
Why and why?Three wrote: VOTE: mc esther
Umlaut is very likely town
Unvote, Vote Dwelee
Umlaut is an early town read to me because I like 18, and any serious attempts to push us out of RVS ASAP are +town for me.-
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In post 34, mc esther wrote:
no it's notIn post 18, Umlaut wrote:This on the other hand is bad
UNVOTE:
VOTE: three
fourth on the andante wagon, third on me
i agree with 41, that this sort of arbitrary jumping from vote to vote is +town. i think that scum would feel more compelled to provide a serious reason beyond wagon placement.In post 35, mc esther wrote:actually he was just third on both wagons, that's not anywhere near as bad.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: dwlee
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Roadkill, sometimes new players roll scum and just start voting ant town that gets run up without thinking of the consequence. The fact that you're not a brand new player means you weren't doing that. It's still an opportunistic looking vote, but you having experience means you likely are aware how it looks and might be more likely to avoid it ad scum than a new player would be. My reply to joqiza stands, but it isn't nearly as strong as the opportunistic newbie tell would have been.
It's Page 2 of Day 1. I'm not looking for connections.joqiza wrote: how are you connecting the points between dwlee's entrance/awkwardness and the andante vote?3-2 as scum and 5-8 as town
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alright, thanks for explainin'.In post 46, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Roadkill, sometimes new players roll scum and just start voting ant town that gets run up without thinking of the consequence. The fact that you're not a brand new player means you weren't doing that. It's still an opportunistic looking vote, but you having experience means you likely are aware how it looks and might be more likely to avoid it ad scum than a new player would be. My reply to joqiza stands, but it isn't nearly as strong as the opportunistic newbie tell would have been.
It's Page 2 of Day 1. I'm not looking for connections.joqiza wrote: how are you connecting the points between dwlee's entrance/awkwardness and the andante vote?
and i think you meant to quote me here; i asked about the two being connected because:
here, you said that the unvote from the andante wagon confirms... that dwlee didn't want to post/that they were awkward? i assume that it confirms/reinforces the read, but i wasn't sure.Dwelees entrance "someone has to start the game" shows an awkwardness I noticed from him in a pick your poison game we just played. It's kind of a mix of not really seeming to want to post and justifying why he is doing so anyway. The unvote when the wagon got big and vote on Mc Esther to create a mini wagon kind of confirms this. And actually the more I look at this the more I'm making myself confident in Dwelee over Roadkill so I'm probably switching at the end of this post. I'm gonna finish reading first though.
edit: i feel like me moving my vote right now is more of an empty gesture than anything, if i'm honest; after people post a bit more/later tonight, i'll look to see where i want to place it. but i'm slow to... get into a game, so to speak, get reads that are worth pursuing.
also, i'm unsure if sleepless's vote will count, but i think dwlee is on e-1.-
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Oh, yep. My mistake.Roadkill wrote: and i think you meant to quote me here
Oh, Dwelees Andante vote, not yours. Yes. You're reading it right. I gotta quit playing this game while my kids talk to me lol.Roadkill wrote: here, you said that the unvote from the andante wagon confirms... that dwlee didn't want to post/that they were awkward?
But yes, it felt awkward for him to leave one wagon and push another toward wagon status.
Why wouldn't my vote count?Roadkill wrote: also, i'm unsure if sleepless's vote will count, but i think dwlee is on e-1.3-2 as scum and 5-8 as town
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