In post 2814, Ircher wrote:Why would I as town engage in an argument that I'm likely to lose? That's just silly. As both alignments, I am best off choosing my battles wisely.
Why would you argue with someone who has minimal power and voice in the game state over someone who might actually be able to convince people to see things your way?
If you're scum I could see you arguing with me to try to build associatives after your flip, or to get me to put my foot in my mouth so I get speed elim'd next. But like, I see zero benefits to doing this if you're town, because you're not even voting me. Why vote Mush then try to argue with me?
In post 2825, Roden wrote:Why would you argue with someone who has minimal power and voice in the game state over someone who might actually be able to convince people to see things your way?
I disagree heavily with your fundamental assumption. You might not be a MUSH or Lambdadelta, but you certainly are loud and have quite some control over the game state, even if it doesn't end well. Also, you already out your foot in your mouth by TMI'ing there is a watcher.
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In post 2822, Ircher wrote:Why are yoo assuming we have a voyeur or watcher? What are your premises that lead to that conclusion?
In post 2823, Ircher wrote:If anything, the flip of a tracker decreases the chance since role variety is generally important for balancing reasons.
It's a 21 player game, if we had neither our chances of catching scum drop drastically. I've seen normal large games with around ten town PRs so it really isn't out of the question here to have more than one investigation role. I'm pretty confident we have at least one of those roles and that you weren't RB'd. I'm also pretty sure scum have a Ninja but that's a less helpful statement I guess.
In post 2825, Roden wrote:Why would you argue with someone who has minimal power and voice in the game state over someone who might actually be able to convince people to see things your way?
I disagree heavily with your fundamental assumption. You might not be a MUSH or Lambdadelta, but you certainly are loud and have quite some control over the game state, even if it doesn't end well. Also, you already out your foot in your mouth by TMI'ing there is a watcher.
Thanks, but I know I was pretty low impact Day 1. I just occasionally say the right thing.
What made you focus on Watcher when I also mentioned Voyeur?
A watcher would /never/ target me because I would /never/ be killed night 1. A watcher gains much more from watching whoever is killed than they would by watching me. Even if we assume there is a watcher, your conclusions don't follow. A voyeur perhaps would target me, but there is no solid indicator a voyeur exists.
pedit: Laziness.
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because i really don't feel like engaging in a 1:1 with a person who I think is prob town, but I'm trying to stop her from trying to deathtunnel me before she dies
I would hope that her read on you is not entirely predicated on your read on her
In post 2829, Ircher wrote:A watcher would /never/ target me because I would /never/ be killed night 1. A watcher gains much more from watching whoever is killed than they would by watching me. Even if we assume there is a watcher, your conclusions don't follow. A voyeur perhaps would target me, but there is no solid indicator a voyeur exists.
pedit: Laziness.
No reason to target you when everyone expected you to get RB'd? You really think town doesn't try to catch the Roleblocker?
Okay, I'm keeping Shrike out of this for now. I want control, I want to enjoy my pudding, and I want to stop Shrike from crushing too heavily here. We have to be able to make common cause with at least some of the people we are scumreading now, burning too many bridges is unhelpful and unnecessary.
Which is why I'm going to be tactically burning a very few bridges I don't actually care about.
Roden, what do you get out of engaging with a scum Ircher focused on cheap shots and tearing down strong town voices before they can townblock and crush scum? Why do you do that as town, I mean? It seems important to clarify, given this would be Grade A theater.
Andante, tell me how your self-destruction advances a town win-con in the case of Ircher, who is EXACTLY as good flipped as he would be confirmed? I can understand it with a scum wincon, if Ircher is a keystone scum role, but town townreading Ircher doesn't make any sense to throw everything out here.
Dunnstral, can I impose upon you to actually produce fucking content? Alignment indicative not on the defensive please and thank you.
199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
In post 2833, Roden wrote:No reason to target you when everyone expected you to get RB'd? You really think town doesn't try to catch the Roleblocker?
1) There was no guarantee of a scum roleblocker.
2) Catching the scum performing kills is still better which has a 0% chance of happening against me.
3) Catching a roleblocker is no guarantee they are scum. It points favorably towards, sure, but I can see cases where town roleblocks me (even if it isn't objectively the correct move.)
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In post 2836, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Dunnstral, can I impose upon you to actually produce fucking content? Alignment indicative not on the defensive please and thank you.
The majority of my content has been on the offense rather than on the defense.
Bell, Andante, Bears all started voting me after I initially pushed them.
In post 2836, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Dunnstral, can I impose upon you to actually produce fucking content? Alignment indicative not on the defensive please and thank you.
The majority of my content has been on the offense rather than on the defense.
Bell, Andante, Bears all started voting me after I initially pushed them.
*raises finger to point out that omgus is commonly town*
Drops it because if you don’t know that by now me pointing it out isn’t gunna make that better.
In post 2840, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:That's nice, Bell. You're as good as flipped red already from what I know of you, so I won't take this too personally.
I guess I'm throwing axes in Control as well as D&D.
I’m definitely not flipping red so either you don’t know much or you’re scum.
Surprise surprise, I'm town. Town doesn't have information, so yeah, I don't know much. This is as obvious as the day is long. Would you like to try again?
199-member plural system. We kinda exploded. We'll sign if we switch, but it's a host-centric setup round here now.
