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[SirCakez]

VOTE: idiot ivan
who are you?

[SirCakez]

T

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Rogue > Suripoko > skitter30

T?

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StrangeMatter

S

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SirCakez (always)

YOURE LITERALLY NEVER RIGHT

[SirCakez]

The Bombay is screwed LOL what a horrific post restriction

[SirCakez]

VOTE: dwlee
theyre not getting away again

[SirCakez]

SirCakez is concerning.

Hmmm, why?

Also curious abt the chess game

why do you always go to bat for me?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: jjh here this guy is pinging me like crazy

[SirCakez]

I have thoughts about Mastina's whole thing and we will get to that when we have a moment, but let me take a moment to explain something.

This is a U-Pick. Cabd got to witness an experience in a game called Isekai U-Pick in which certain characters were unable to be given the love they were hoping for, which resulted in some pain.

I'm not one to play outguess the mod, but I do know that Cabd is the kind of moderator who seeks to provide all players with an enjoyable experience, doubly so in a u-pick.

So claiming that you are being given a grammar heavy post restriction that you didn't expect with your own pick feels extremely off base for me. I cannot fathom what subreddit you would have picked that this outcome would have come to you and you not expected it let alone been somewhat okay with it.

I just can't fathom it. I think this is fake and I think the amount of focus and attention Bombay is putting into it reads as scum.

ok yes but The Bombay's play is town

[SirCakez]

Rogue into townbin
Dwlee into scumbin

both for posts on page 8

[SirCakez]

Dwlee's iso is awful and contains multiple red flags wrt their alignment.

Including, asking for flavour claim, voting rogue and general faffing about over content.

They feel like they are building relationships instead of reads, and their reads list above is nonsensical.

Like this is the mastina tell, tbh.

^^

[SirCakez]

VOTE: dwlee yeah moving back here they are worse than my jjh pings

[SirCakez]

UNVOTE:

Don’t particularly like Dwlee being at 5 votes (E-2) at the moment. I really don’t want to repeat the llay that happened to me in SCP Upick.

LOL I still feel bad about that

[SirCakez]

Rogue
T3
Lady Lambdadelta
That Idiot Ivan
skitter30
Shiro

I may have solved the game as well

VOTE: Rogue

FROM THE TOP

look at this jokey nothing burger posts

VOTE: LLD

a meme OMGUS

I asked for flavor claim because there were people clamoring that the post restriction made no sense. It also doesn't contain any role info so not sure why you'd suspect I want that as scum.

My reads list isn't a reads list, it's a PoE but okay

And yea I started the game memeing a bit because I had just woke up from an hour and a half long nap

contains multiple red flags wrt their alignment.

Also can I point out how completely bullshit this is

My first like... Ten posts. NAI. I played chess with RVS'd, played chess with t3, and then talked about the bread I was eating at 3am. I don't believe you believe this at all

THEN FULL TILT DEFENSE after getting called out on their BS
super scummy

[SirCakez]

Cakez called me doing that scummy

no, what's scummy is the rapid mode change from meme mode to full tilt defense
there's nothing wrong with defensiveness in of itself

[SirCakez]

feel better soon Mala!

[SirCakez]

I’m going to make the super obvious comment here that one side of the chess match is probably scum.

not necessarily? this is a weird comment

VOTE: t3

I think this has highest chance of flipping scum rn

why?

[SirCakez]

I don't think that's scummy cause me and cause I did at one point and pushed LLD on it in that game I linked and she was town



T3 is either scum or seeking karmic retribution on me rn is what I'll say

okay...

@cakez- you’re a towel

no I'm a cake get it right

I think if you give Dwlee a question with a big scope, like "explain all of your reads at once", they're not gonna answer it in the way you want

yeah I agree with this but they can't even explain their vote on T3

[SirCakez]

Cakez you see the part of t3's posting where he says I'm scum and powerlim me and it's cause of my reaction to LLD? T3 is either scum pushing me or wants to lim me for the funsies here because he should know that this is not scum indicative for me, or at the very least isn't as "lock scum" as he would like to claim

why should he know that?

[SirCakez]

Sircakes, what is your most developed read

hold on I got sidetracked and need to finish reading up

[SirCakez]

LLD looks like town from her push on Dwlee regardless of Dwlee's alignment, I think
jjh keeps bothering me but like I can't point to one specific thing. I'm also cognizant that I misread him badly last time we played together in Doubles Mafia.
I don't like that T3 is spending more time commentating on the chess game than the game game.

more specifically, i think that dwlee should claim their color in the chess game.

although this might imply that T3's focus there is founded

[SirCakez]

i don't have any super strong reads here although I feel decently sure Dwlee is scum
the active players like Skitter, Ivan, Bombay are feeling tough for me to read here

[SirCakez]

@skitter, yeah, reading the linked posts as reasons to think Bombay is faking/surface leveling reads is less than great. The timeline makes the 'unconventional' read less of a possibility.

Looking back at her posting, the readslist is also odd like Dwlee's. mastina, why is Suripoko your second best town read as of 172?

Cakez, why did you open the game by choosing to interact with one of the likely few, if not only, people where you didn't know? I'm trying to figure out where you are this game, and reading your ISO swings back and forth so much. It's reading townier as it goes to me, but the first few posts were very pingy.

because the people I do know in this game are historically hard for me (pooky, ydra, skitts, etc) to read so it's easier for me to solve via the people I think I can read

[SirCakez]

yeah you do feel really different here and it has been a while

[SirCakez]

Cakez, why are you having trouble reading Bombay? Where are you on them after catch-up?

The PR is making me want to lean town + I badly misread notsci recently so I feel like I'm inclined to lean town even more

So like I really want to say they are town but there are factors making me biased here

[SirCakez]

Oh wait notsci is in Rogue not Bombay

[SirCakez]

okay i thiiiiiiiiink they are town

[SirCakez]

I need to go back to the drawing board here because I felt pretty good that Dwlee was scum and obv not
It drives me crazy that they were lying about the chess and maybe that's what I was feeling there

[SirCakez]

SirCakez looked kinda scummy to me and then I looked at some past games and noticed some things
He's really hedging his bets in a lot of places in this game. Potentially controversial reads all follow the format "I think X but I am hesitant because Y", and his number 1 reason for scumreading people is "This pings me"

This reads like dressed up OMGUS to me because of what I said to SR you

[SirCakez]

What have I even said that might be controversial?

[SirCakez]

All I did day one was push Dwlee and you so your argument doesn't make any sense

[SirCakez]

And I said I was having trouble reading some of the more active players
Like your argument feels completely made up

[SirCakez]

There you go
Here's a new question - do you think my reasons for not wanting to commit to a read on those players is bad? Because it's clear now that T3 is/was hiding something so I'm still inclined to hold back on my read there
And the thing I said about Bombay was the result of a mixup that I corrected posts later because notsci is not even in that hydra

[SirCakez]

Sure I haven't had any crazy reads or anything notable
Day 1 ended earlier than I expected and I need to develop more

[SirCakez]

VOTE: suripoko
Here I'll vote this for that shitty hammer

[SirCakez]

Or like, any slot?

Sircakes, what is your most developed read

I already told you my answer to this question and there has not been much to work with since you asked

[SirCakez]

Like that was literally five pages ago

[SirCakez]

And I told you I need to review (like the first thing I said today) and I don't have time for it right now I'm traveling all day today

[SirCakez]

You're just moving the goalposts now I'm not talking about this anymore

[SirCakez]

Have fun with that my dude

[SirCakez]

Ok but regardless of whose to blame that hammer still sucked

[SirCakez]

unlike you and SirCakez who are acting like the guy who hammered is a million times worse than people who piled on.

[SirCakez]

Ugh supposed to go with that quote was:
You can't blame people on a wagon for not knowing that someone was going to quickhammer too early. That's ridiculous.

[SirCakez]

I knew they didn't have enough to go to L-1 from my vote and they didn't
You're grasping at straws

[SirCakez]

I think it's interesting the amount of people who have entirely glossed over that hammer.

VOTE: Kuripoko

ninja-
hi mala!

We like were just talking about it, who do you think is ignoring it?

[SirCakez]

Dwlee99 (5): Lady Lambdadelta, T3, mastina, SirCakez, Shiro

@pooky can I get your read on me. It sounded like you wanted to hammer me

You can't blame people on a wagon for not knowing that someone was going to quickhammer too early. That's ridiculous.

Good meme but no
This is like when I posted my first serious vote in that game with StrangeMatter, was gone for 24 hours then came back and it was hammered and then later days people tried to blame me even though it was obviously not my intention to push the wagon through so early.

[SirCakez]

Suspecting there’s likely one (two has potential but not as likely) of {Rogue, SirCakez, That Idiot Ivan} as said above. I want to look more into these right now, though continuing on a conversation about this is pointless and a waste of time.

I ISOed you and don't see you talk about scum in this pool at all - what are you referring to from "above"?

[SirCakez]

It felt to me like she returned to the thread, wanted to post, but did not want to disrupt the dwlee wagon. Also, that she also did not want to join it.

also this is a good point I didn't even notice how old that Ivan post was, that's like from RVS

[SirCakez]

I don't have a box and I wasn't the other chess player

[SirCakez]

V/LA through January 16

Will try to post when I can but I'm seeing some friends I only see a few times a year so no promises.

[SirCakez]

Ok but regardless of whose to blame that hammer still sucked

Note this wording, too.
'still sucked'.

If Suripoko were scum, the hammer would not have sucked--it'd be Suripoko playing to wincon.

A hammer sucking implies the hammerer is the same alignment of the player being hammered--town.

Both Ivan and SirCakez have used words with zero connotations to scumminess/scumness of the slot and which actually have the opposite connotation--implying Suripoko to be town.

Coincidence?

I think not!

There's a damn good reason I think they're both scum here.

what no that's obviously not what I was saying
Suripoko being scum does not make the hammer good?? maybe from their PoV but I'm not in their PoV

[SirCakez]

Ivan could be scum

[SirCakez]

the bombay's posting today is transparently town

[SirCakez]

Fuck it, let's see what this does.

My role allowed a neighborhood to form with two other players last night that persists into today. By foregoing posting there until night ended, I was able to get a parity cop result on the other two players. LLD and Shiro share an alignment.

They were informed when the neighborhood formed that someone could be reading along. That someone was me. Based on the interactions and information shared over night phase and so far this day phase, they're very likely both town rather than both scum. I can elaborate later, but I think I'd like to let the thread marinate in this situation first.

ah I buy it

[SirCakez]

I will say this is massively +scum for suripoko because the floor just rose dramatically

uh huh so get on the wagon

[SirCakez]

I'm struggling to believe in the parity cop.

We are an investigative, which is why we knew we were roleblocked. We didn't get a result.

I do not believe that the mods would have allowed us + Dwlee's cop + a parity cop to all fire night one.

I think I want to kill Ivan, but going to talk to Marci before I move our vote.

I'm pretty sure his claim means he is scum.

If he does flip town, then that would actually confirm Shiro and LLD.

this is so bad why would we lim Ivan here?

[SirCakez]

Suripoko is obviously scum here let's get rid of them first step

[SirCakez]

what is the motivation for Ivan to fakeclaim as scum here? it does nothing for them

[SirCakez]

im caught up I just want to murder Suri and go from there
i feel like this game is easier than we are thinking

[SirCakez]

I think it's pretty town given what happened to notsci in Tenet

[SirCakez]

What would you move (aside from yourself presumably) on this reads list:

TOWN
That Idiot Ivan, Lady Lambdadelta, Shiro

jjh927, T3

SirCakez
StrangeMatter

Rogue
The Bombay

mastina

Suripoko
SCUM

Same line reads are functionally equivalent, line breaks differentiate between overall tiers

Bombay Rogue up
jjh, T3, Strange Matter down

[SirCakez]

Suripoko is obviously scum here let's get rid of them first step

How are they "obviously scum"?

The hammer + the zero shits they have given today
Basically openwolfing

What would you move (aside from yourself presumably) on this reads list:

TOWN
That Idiot Ivan, Lady Lambdadelta, Shiro

jjh927, T3

SirCakez
StrangeMatter

Rogue
The Bombay

mastina

Suripoko
SCUM

Same line reads are functionally equivalent, line breaks differentiate between overall tiers

Bombay Rogue up
jjh, T3, Strange Matter down

Fuck are you scum?

JJH is so town to me lol

Why?

[SirCakez]

Oh, and to go ahead and put my money where my mouth is even though I think it's a horrible idea in a vacuum, I had no interaction with boxes last night. Enjoy that info along with a townread, jjh. (and yes, I claimed that in my neighborhood when you initially asked for claims so that it was on record)

Cakez, what do you think of SM's questioning if Shiro was in the neighborhood? Motivationally speaking.

I don't know it didn't stick out to me

[SirCakez]

IM HERE IM HERE

[SirCakez]

What would you move (aside from yourself presumably) on this reads list:

TOWN
That Idiot Ivan, Lady Lambdadelta, Shiro

jjh927, T3

SirCakez
StrangeMatter

Rogue
The Bombay

mastina

Suripoko
SCUM

Same line reads are functionally equivalent, line breaks differentiate between overall tiers

Bombay Rogue up
jjh, T3, Strange Matter down

Can you explain these reads? I especially want to know what pings you Rogue town here, there is something that is particularly scummy.

Rogue is like nulltown I wouldn't die for that read but I think they are too low on that list
I like some of notsci's posting here - what do you think is particularly scummy?

@T3

Please claim how you knew the rule and results of the chess game.

If you were a player, please claim what your reward would have been if you won.

Thanks!

-Luke

no

I'm gonna policy lim you tomorrow for this

[SirCakez]

fuck I know deadline is close
let me know who I need to vote here while I read up

[SirCakez]

I don't believe in Cakez's read on us.

This is every time Cakez has given a read on our slot. There is no reason for it at all ever given.

I am bouncing back and forth between thinking that he wants us to look partnered, to kill us if he dies first, or that he is trying to look good if we die.

The random statement saying that we are tough to read feels weird too given the repeated town reads thrown our way. This is what he said when asked about it.

I already said that I was wrong about who was in your hydra and thus retracted my comment about you being hard to read because notsci is not in your hydra

Furthermore, if he does want to claim that he does not feel comfortable town reading Notscience because of their recent games, why is he consistently giving him a town read.

It's not a strong read at all like I said a few posts ago
I just need to bin them somewhere

T3 gives me a headache.

One of Suripokos posts has me convinced T3 and Sircakez are mafia besties with eachother. Your welcome for the hard carry. ( :

lol no I'd lim T3 right now for being an ass about the chess game

[SirCakez]

997 is enough for me to vote Ivan now but I just looked at the last VC and see nobody is close to being limmed? come on

[SirCakez]

But that's the thing. You're accusing Suripoko of making a bad hammer, but if Suripoko is scum then the hammer isn't bad, it's good; it can only be a bad hammer if Suripoko is town. So from your point of view, calling the hammer bad is a scumslip of knowing Suripoko is town.

this is not how I think about mafia games; maybe you do but when I'm calling something bad it means it was a scummy play and/or was bad for town and should be pushed

[SirCakez]

oh yeah today is plurality lim I totally forgot

[SirCakez]

I feel like Ivan or Mastina lim gives us the most info today
I'd prefer Ivan given Mastina and Bombay's arguments for Ivan!scum but it looks like that wagon won't make it to top number before deadline

[SirCakez]

I am /r/pikmin, and I am a third party survivor

I can also leave the game early as a winner (the game continues) if I collect all of my ship parts. There are 4 of them. I target 3 people each night, and I got one last night out of (mastina, lld, skitter).

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[SirCakez]

don't waste the bullet on JJH shoot Suripoko

[SirCakez]

And even when I did claim my commute, I was sitting here realizing that I was never going to be might killed now. Not with LLD having such a strong desire to kill me. I was suddenly a very miselimable slot.

I weighed that in my decision to claim my commute. The commute value was greatly demished by LLD's read on me.

I honestly don't know if this is real arrogance or scum bravado but the truth is you were never getting shot night 1 or 2 IMO.

And the fact it took you THIS LONG to full claim.

and the fact that you thought that ODD NIGHT WATCHER and ONE SHOT PARITY COP with Dwlee's cop thing was so unbalanced I will never fucking understand as a townie logic.

and don't say you didn't know Ivan's thing was oneshot cause you just got done saying you knew it was one shot the whole time so

this
man all of these claims might be town now

[SirCakez]

don't waste the bullet on JJH shoot Suripoko

or shoot T3 that guy is hiding something

[SirCakez]

r/AsheMains (obviously, what did you think the Shieldbow + Wit's End nerfs + Hawkeye was? And Hawkeye was also a role hint since my ability is based very very loosely on Hawkshot, presumably on the justification that it's communicating info to your team but I admit I was hella disappointed with my role since I feel like Cabd/ffery didn't really use anything of Ashe well; I'd have made Hawkshot an investigative or given a different ability from her other abilities);
My abilities are a voice + vote, with:
Hawkshot (e), messenger. I send messages to a player each night, with a 100-character limit.
If I deliver 3 successful letters, I gain access to a 3x public crier, also with a 100-character limit.

I pretty much almost fullclaimed this in my very first post.
If you looked at the two posts I linked, one was my 100-character-limit day post, and the other was the mod posting my public crier night message.

I realize that's not a very strong, not a very flashy, not a very good role--I wasn't exactly happy with it myself, but I have a way of making this sort of role be disproportionately powerful by having it get more mileage than intended. It's disappointing and frustrating, but it's something that I still wanted to try and maximize. I wanted to try and see if, in spite of the character limit, I could manage to form a townbloc and chain-claims N1 and maybe fakeclaim masons.

ok how the hell does this have anything to do with Ivan's role??

[SirCakez]

OH forgot to select someone next to claim.

Should be fairly obvious;

SirCakez should claim.

no there's literally no reason for me to claim here I'm not part of the counterclaim fuckfest

[SirCakez]

I’m around. My preferred lim is going through, so yeah.

Suri is the current lim if nothing changes yeah?

[SirCakez]

thinking about moving to mastina or staying on Suri
doesn't look like any other lims can happen in the next hour

[SirCakez]

my thing is Mastina lim gives us waaaaaay more information than Suri lim

[SirCakez]

mmm upon a re-ISO Rogue doesn't look as town as I remembered
lotta nothingburger posts/idle paranoia
I'm not sure what drove to me to townbin them initially tbh

I forgot shiro, I like shiro too

I honestly find it weird Cakez isn’t scumreading me because Cakez ALWAYS scumreads me, and if he was taking that into consideration I feel like mixing up which hydra I’m in is kinda weird

that said I'm not sure Rogue brings this up if they are scum?? they are basically asking me to attack them

I think it's interesting the amount of people who have entirely glossed over that hammer.

VOTE: Kuripoko

ninja-
hi mala!

and we have a mindmeld on the Suripoko situation

[SirCakez]

My gut is telling me to move to Mastina but I don't trust it anymore after pokemon

[SirCakez]

Post claim she seems a Lil more like scum Mastina
More manipulative, less crazy bullshit that nobody understand

[SirCakez]

Think StrangeMatter is obviously scum given their actions EoD yesterday
VOTE: SM

[SirCakez]

Also I got a box then lost it
Doesn't really matter anymore anyways

[SirCakez]

PFFt I blocked Rogue so….

Oooohhh

[SirCakez]

VOTE: rogue
Okay guilty is guilty
Damn all night I felt so good about opening today voting SM aaa

[SirCakez]

It's probably just T3

[SirCakez]

I'm actually very down for a mass claim for reasons that will become clear post-mass claim

[SirCakez]

I am r/AccidentalRenaissance
as of right now I am a VT but my role says that I can unlock new parts of my role somehow?? and that I will be told when I do? but it doesn't say how to do that
so I need y'alls help lol

[SirCakez]

rogue's claim doesn't really change much I don't think??

[SirCakez]

NO I NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT WORKS

[SirCakez]

I don't think anyone else's role interacts with mine
rather I think I need to do something on my end to make it work
BUT WHAT??

[SirCakez]

well obviously seems pretty likely Rogue is scum
I'd like to say it's just easy and T3 is the third scum but mafia is rarely that easy
if not T3 then I think it has to be Bombay for the third scum? assuming the LLD-Shiro-you block is all actually town

[SirCakez]

strangematter would be town for guilty-ing Rogue scum
mastina was the counter to Suri-scum

[SirCakez]

You don't think you were the counter to Suripoko-scum? And why do you think I'm town?

There can be two counters no?
I don't think this game makes any sense if you're scum

[SirCakez]

VOTE: T3
claim or die

[SirCakez]

T3 why were you so resistant to claiming? And why didn't you stick up for Dwlee?

[SirCakez]

Secret 3:

I was ROLEBLOCKED last night.

What?

That would be a third roleblock after Suri and Strange.

I know.

Does this go back and make Strange scum?

[SirCakez]

Could be a frame job on Rogue

[SirCakez]

Excuse me? How does that go back and make me scum there.

Also it's so obvious that scum would take the time to join in on the Suripoko wagon no matter what alignment they were.

how would there be three roleblockers?

[SirCakez]

Doc doesn't block poison right? so I don't think LLD being poisoned proves or disproves anything
and as I've said I have no idea what to do with my role and it seems like no one else does either so I'm not gonna get stuck up on it when it could be literally anything

[SirCakez]

Bro why does everyone else have cool rules but I can't even make mine work

[SirCakez]

Roles*

[SirCakez]

we can do T3 idgaf

[SirCakez]

we can do T3 idgaf

You should gaf.

And Bombay, I didn't make anyone bulletproof. I bodyguarded.

sorry my WIM for this game is just so dead because I'm frustrated with my role and was hoping somebody would be able to help me figure it out but no one did and I'm lowkey kinda annoyed I'm still a suspect after Suri went in trying to kill me yesterday

[SirCakez]

VOTE: mastina
I think I'll circle back here given 1399, that logic means that mastina basically has to be scum

[SirCakez]

Cause otherwise Why Hammer Dwlee Without A Claim?

There's only one reason to do that and it's self sacrificial. Suripoko had to know they would die as a result of this when they did it. So what do they gain?

except we nearly didn't kill them yesterday because people were like "Lol Pooky does this as town"

[SirCakez]

VOTE: mastina
I think I'll circle back here given 1399, that logic means that mastina basically has to be scum

or I can also circle back to Rogue given that they have been basically MIA the last few days

basically I'm saying I'll lim one of (Mastina, Rogue, T3)

[SirCakez]

The two have been hard-defending each other the entire game,

ummm this has literally not happened this game

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

VOTE: suripoko
Here I'll vote this for that shitty hammer

VOTE: SirCakez

Dwlee99 (5): Lady Lambdadelta, T3, mastina, SirCakez, Shiro

@pooky can I get your read on me. It sounded like you wanted to hammer me

You can't blame people on a wagon for not knowing that someone was going to quickhammer too early. That's ridiculous.

the suri lim is 100% the right play here

school has been hell but i might post more tmrw or on the weekend

Suripoko is obviously scum here let's get rid of them first step

what is the motivation for Ivan to fakeclaim as scum here? it does nothing for them

im caught up I just want to murder Suri and go from there
i feel like this game is easier than we are thinking

I think it's interesting the amount of people who have entirely glossed over that hammer.

VOTE: Kuripoko

ninja-
hi mala!

Its an awful fucking hammer?

And this is coming from the genius behind the pokemon quickhammer.

I’m of two minds about T3, because I do agree that scum likely was playing against town in the chess game. But whenever I go “uhhhh….” At T3 posting he flips town. Yes this is a hedge I’m aware and it’s why I qualified with it when I said “I’m of two minds”

I think it’s kinda bordering on what I can believe that town would be able to stop the town cop from firing?

I think assuming Pooky will or won't do pretty much anything as any alignment is a fool's take.

The hammer was beyond a bad play. This isn't a case of some new player ignorantly quick hammering. Suripoko are making very deliberate choices here. They started out with a gimmick to avoid having to go on record with any actual arguments. Then they quick hammered the first wagon they could. They're taking refuge in charm, amusement value, and audacity.

This isn't town behavior. Pooky will quickhammer a wagon, sure--as scum.

My gut is telling me to move to Mastina but I don't trust it anymore after pokemon

Post claim she seems a Lil more like scum Mastina
More manipulative, less crazy bullshit that nobody understand

Suripoko (4): SirCakez, Rogue, T3, Shiro

VOTE: SirCakez

[SirCakez]

Yeah they did accuse a lot of people but I feel like I was the primary person they were after given their voting of me twice up to Road
It's not a super important point anyways it's just something that was annoying me but also like I understand it's not an end all reason to TR me

[SirCakez]

I LITERALLY DONT KNOW ANYTHING
ALL MY ROLE SAYS IS I HAVE ABILITIES I DONT KNOW ABOUT AND I WILL BE TOLD WHEN THEY ACTIVATE

[SirCakez]

Earth to anyone?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: mastina

VOTE: SirCakez

Yeah SirCakez is scum here.

If he were town then he wouldn't be just accepting the logic there while ignoring how he has all the information to know that I am town. He would be thinking about the flaws in it, thinking about alternatives, and thinking about things in terms of reads. With the analysis augmenting reads.

what logic points to you being town here? you've been sat on my ass all game despite knowing that you literally always misread me which makes your push here just look like scum motivation
and you did a ton to avoid voting Suripoko yesterday

The two have been hard-defending each other the entire game,

ummm this has literally not happened this game

Except it has.

I can give the receipts to prove it, and on prior days already partially did.

It's literally happening right now with Ivan not voting you. He literally prefers Rogue over voting you. Yes, he has you in his PoE (which is probably lip service to appease LLD), but he's zero desire to follow through on it and actually

vote

you. He'll vote you if not doing so would be a scumclaim, but otherwise, his lack of interest in wagoning you is apparent and has been the whole damn game.

okay give me those receipts please
a "hard defense" is what you're claiming so lets see it

[SirCakez]

i suspected he was

Serious question.

Has T3 given a single read on a player today?

I sure don't see one.

For that matter, what reads has T3 given this game?

Limming ivan is bad

Suri should die today

bombay is null town

jjh is town after a reread during the night.

As a result of the chess game, Dwlee should be eliminated.

lld is probably town?

'Cause this is all I found except going way way back to super duper early.

Not a single stated read on Rogue ("not getting townreads" is not aread).
No read on SirCakez.
Nothing on skitter.
Nothing on StrangeMatter.
Nothing on Shiro.
Nothing on me.

And even those opinions given being weak.
LLD probably town, but could bus.
Bombay nulltown, but could reassess.

You get the idea.

Why absolutely nothing said for half the players in the game and the weak-ass reads on the remainder?

and this is the most LHF-y argument ever because T3 always plays like this
he could be scum but definitely not for this reason

[SirCakez]

in Pokemon I had a pretty strong sense that you were town that I am not getting here

[SirCakez]

I can switch to Rogue definitely their absence here is very strange

[SirCakez]

that's so dumb

[SirCakez]

I'm sick of rolling over and letting myself get slimmed like has happened tecently

[SirCakez]

elimmed

[SirCakez]

that's so dumb

Sorry but your claim is sketch, your not dying over Suripoko is scummy, your reads are scummy and your general play has not been town Cakez for me.

Yeah my claim sucks this role fucking blows one of the worst roles I've ever gotten
How are my reads scummy? What is not town cakes about my play?

[SirCakez]

that's so dumb

Sorry but your claim is sketch, your not dying over Suripoko is scummy, your reads are scummy and your general play has not been town Cakez for me.

I'm just turning into the consensus lim bc nobody gives a shit

[SirCakez]

And then we have scum Mastina only too happy to join in after completely avoiding her buddys wagon yesterday and acting like I'm the scummy one here

[SirCakez]

Spoiler: Response to Ivan

You come into the day after sheeping LLD on an incorrect wagon, but have nothing to say about that state of affairs.

Why would I have something to say?

I had to keep my promise to sheep LLD.

I didn't have a strong read on Dwlee--I'd not vote Dwlee on my own, but it was at least

plausible

for Dwlee to be scum. I didn't think it was

probable

, but I had to keep my promise even though my preference was Bombay or SirCakez.

Now unchained from the promise, I'm following what I'd have done without the promise.

You return immediately to your previous day's scum read despite new information from flips.

What new information is provided from the flips? Nothing in Dwlee town (Dwlee was null) or skitter town (skitter was town) changes my previous reads; it only strengthens them. Bombay and SirCakez don't become less scum from those; they become more scum.

Then despite the plurality rules in play, you immediately jump onto a purported secondary scum read (that has absolutely nothing in your posting to persuade anyone of its likelihood).

I have good reason to sheep jjh, actually. And I admit it's a bit underhanded, but I've good reason to make sure a scumread is the top elimination by plurality rules--plurality is here whether we like it or not, and I'm not going to let a townread get voted out by plurality.

Speaking of which:

No probing into your previous strong town read of Suripoko despite their obnoxious hammer.

Funny choice of words you use there. (I am rather big on word choice. Autistic thing.)

You call the hammer 'obnoxious' rather than calling it 'scumclaim', 'anti-town', or even 'scummy'.

That

you

don't call it any of those should tell you my answer: you're right, the hammer is obnoxious. It was not scummy, it was not a scumclaim, it was arguably not even anti-town. So why would I question them on it when it is none of those things?

Outside of the spoiler tho, I'll add that one thing

has

changed overnight, and it is in part from this post: Ivan moves from Nullscum to a proper scumread. Not SirCakez/Bombay levels, but also more than a scumlean. SirCakez/Bombay are confscum/strong scum, but Ivan's still scum.

The proof is in the usage of the word 'obnoxious' rather than anything indicating a view of Suripoko being scum. 'Obnoxious' is actually a descriptor you use when

you believe

(or, more damningly,

you know

)

the slot to be town

.

No probing into your previous strong town read of Suripoko despite their

obnoxious

hammer.

This word usage is literally a scumclaim from Ivan, because it's a scumslip of knowing Suripoko to be town.

Add in the defense of SirCakez (who is lockscum), and you've got a damn good candidate for final scum. Speaking of which tho:

I need to go back to the drawing board here because I felt pretty good that Dwlee was scum and obv not
It drives me crazy that they were lying about the chess and maybe that's what I was feeling there

I'm liking my SirCakez vote a whole lot more than I already was, thanks for the idea jjh. <3

Ok but regardless of whose to blame that hammer still sucked

Note this wording, too.
'still sucked'.

If Suripoko were scum, the hammer would not have sucked--it'd be Suripoko playing to wincon.

A hammer sucking implies the hammerer is the same alignment of the player being hammered--town.

Both Ivan and SirCakez have used words with zero connotations to scumminess/scumness of the slot and which actually have the opposite connotation--implying Suripoko to be town.

Coincidence?

I think not!

There's a damn good reason I think they're both scum here.

Look at this bullshit argument chainsawing for Suri

[SirCakez]

what's more frustrating me though is why the people I actually think are town are settling on me when there's evidence I'm not aligned with Suri

[SirCakez]

ughhhh mastina's arguments are complete garbage but deadline is close enough that it's not realistic to move the wagon

[SirCakez]

in Pokemon I had a pretty strong sense that you were town that I am not getting here

Bullshit. That wasn't you in Pokemon and you claiming it was is disingenuous as fuck, and this is

exactly

the same me as that game.

what logic points to you being town here?

Aside from the fact that my role when buffed by Shiro literally made me a Friendly Neighbor?

How about the fact that this is my town meta ten times over and I left scumastina's range a long long time ago and that this is night/day different from my scumplay? Scumplay you've seen intimately and should know what it looks like? You've seen what I look like as scum; you've seen what I look like as town. And this is

not

the scumplay. Not even remotely. It's literally the opposite in every single way. Activity. Investment. Passion. Conviction. Presence. Mindset. Push. Literally every possible metric, this is outside of my scum range. (At least the scum range of me in the last three years.)

and you did a ton to avoid voting Suripoko yesterday

Because I, correctly, called Suripoko an elimination being pushed by scum.

Guess what?

It's basically mathematically impossible for Suripoko to not have been pushed by scum.

Meaning that I was right. There's at least one scum on Suripoko, with a chance of there being two.

In a mini, would

you

join a wagon with two scum on it? Or would you fight hard to shut that wagon down because it has two scum on it?

Yes, I didn't consider the possibility that Suripoko was bussed.

But that's proof that I am town, because if I was scum then I would've known about the bus.

okay give me those receipts please
a "hard defense" is what you're claiming so lets see it

Well I am feeling too tired/lazy to do it for the entire game but I need not do the entire game to show it off:

I don't want Cakez at any potential XyLim, but I don't think he's the right choice today.

Keep in mind that with a mislim today,

tomorrow is XyLim

. Ivan HIMSELF pointed this out to LLD. Ivan pointed out that with a mislim today, tomorrow is mylo.

Ivan, in spite of saying he doesn't want SirCakez near mylo/lylo, wants to not vote SirCakez today, in spite of how if we mislim today,

tomorrow is mylo

. And Ivan KNOWS that a mislim today means tomorrow is mylo, he literally pointed it out to LLD.

So saying "I don't want SirCakez today" and "I don't want SirCakez in mylo" is literally cognitive dissonance.

The not wanting SirCakez today is to protect SirCakez; the not wanting SirCakez in mylo is appeasing LLD while she's still alive.

just lim her tomorrow please this is all bullshit and her mental gymnastics to justify her not voting Suripoko are astounding

[SirCakez]

Thinking it over, here's where I am.

I'm not organically scum-reading Cakez. If I'm wrong on that and he flips scum, I'll accept my miselim tomorrow as the price of being wrong, as that would mean I shouldn't be left alive for ElLo. I'll ask for time to post any analysis/opinions, regarding partners or otherwise, I have based on his flip and to have everyone check in.

And I'll definitely stop worrying and learn to love the Rogue-flyby.

Oh, wait.

VOTE: Rogue

Your show, LLD. My vote will move as you need, but I'm not letting this day go by without putting my money where my mouth is.

So much ded.

VOTE: SirCakez

Seven hours, people.

and someone is gonna call this "distancing" but I'm about to flip green so whatever
Ivan's progression here doesn't make much sense at all and it should be pried into tomorrow

[SirCakez]

GTH scum with Mastina; their apathy here is speaking volumes and that recent post where Mala fencesits on me just confirms it; like they already know I'm flipping town but don't want to rock the boat on my wagon

Is definitely town - LLD, Shiro, SM
Scum is in this pool if one of the above two is town - Ivan, Bombay, T3

[SirCakez]

T3 I think is just playing like crappy LHF this game actually
I would look at Bombay and Ivan closely

[SirCakez]

If I were scum here I'd be trolling not actually trying to leave stuff for you guys after I die

[SirCakez]

You're joking if you think this elim lands anywhere but on me with like an hour left

[SirCakez]

im gonna self hammer if y'all don't

[SirCakez]

can't wait to find out what my PoS role does in the dead thread..

[SirCakez]

well the flavor image is keanu reeves saves humanity so maybe!

[SirCakez]

take the red pill

????

[SirCakez]

if it is something cool with the dead thread I take back everything I said about this role sucking

[SirCakez]

no just hammer me this is dumb

[SirCakez]

if I'm not flipped here there's gonna be obnoxious WIFOM/HOW DID HE ESCAPE/HIS SCUM BUDDY SAVED HIM/etc discourse for the rest of the game

[SirCakez]

VOTE: rogue
i guess this is the most viable if we move but I'd really rather just die here right now

[SirCakez]

Wowowowowowow who could have guessed Mastina was scum
GG

[SirCakez]

My reads were straight fire this game
Had Rogue and Mastina down as scum right when I died

[SirCakez]

My role was cool I wish I had known how it worked when I was alive q.q