Mini Theme 2259: Superfight Mafia!

[Enchant]

Yeah there's just no counterplay I guess

I thought there was something there with regard to people being confirmed and shit but there just isn't

However it would totally suck


What the game really needs is a Fight Adjudication and Referee Team that solves the disputes as an independent third party

We need ability to punch players with Hurt tags.

[Flea The Magician]

Game staling, when we start murdering?

im committed to peace

I'm commited to pieces

If we're playing a super fight I want someones ear at the end of this :3

[Flea The Magician]

Just going to say I am using ABSOLUTELY NO Chrono Trigger characters, at all, mm mmm, nope. never.

[jjh927]

That's not a mechanical reason

Mech assumes that town won't just be assholes for suboptimal outcomes

It's more a reason that surfaces when things are put into practice.


But yeah, it would defeat the point of the game. We aren't playing "guess the player that submitted the fighter". We are determining who would win in a fight under various conditions. I want to see creative constraints that actually affect the outcome, like "It's a rap battle" or "They both have to raise and train a child who will fight as proxies on their 18th birthday"

[TemporalLich]

there's still the chance of WIFOM

but yeah it wouldn't be feasible or fun to reduce this to "choose the NK from a list of 2" mafia

[jjh927]

I do think there is a hidden scumsiding element to this implementation of the setup

If the most recently eliminated player determines the constraint, and we eliminate scum, then scum know what the constraint is going to be and will have a very strong advantage if they decide to put themselves in a fight in order to snipe a specific player

I don't really know what to suggest to counter this other than kindly requesting that the scumteam play fair, although if we get someone submitting something absurdly relevant to a specific constraint immediately after a scum lim then maybe we bully them

[jjh927]

Like, I'd vote for the other one in that scenario on the grounds that the really specific one probably cheated and will be disqualified

[jjh927]

Eg if the constraint was "Whoever dies first wins" and someone submitted Draluc, the vampire who dies in no time from the series "The Vampire Dies in No Time" then I'd just vote for the other guy, provided it was after a scum lim. After a town lim it'd just be a beautiful coincidence though

[TemporalLich]

... and now it would be a bad idea to vote Draluc because it is pre-announced

[TemporalLich]

ebwop: Draluc is a he/him apparently

[jjh927]

I don't think any sane person would submit Draluc as their fighter without a good idea of what categories will come up.

He may be a bit of an all-rounder, but his specialty is dying to almost anything

[Jingle]

Roden replaces cyrus62.

[Jingle]

It has been brought to my attention that the rules were unclear as to the nature of the fight mechanic. I have updated them, but will be providing an example shortly to explain the mechanic.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm kinda getting a DBZ - Cell Games vibe from this.

I should maybe review the setup so I actually know what I'm doing....


... someone tldr it for me? :d

pedit eugh now I need to go read them

[Enchant]

... someone tldr it for me? :d

I punched you in the face.

[jjh927]

Main addition to the rules here is that mafia can't just keep choosing the same people

I like this as it means that if we assume scum never put themselves in a fight, we can nolim in 4-3 7p elo and make scum fight, and then we're really gaming because we can fucking do it again

[Flea The Magician]

... someone tldr it for me? :d

I punched you in the face.

*rolls up the sleeves, jumps at Enchant and proceeds to create a dustcloud*

[Flea The Magician]

I have no idea where the example is. I can continue to claim ignorance \o/

[Enchant]

... someone tldr it for me? :d

I punched you in the face.

*rolls up the sleeves, jumps at Enchant and proceeds to create a dustcloud*

*Sidesteps and raises hand, creating winds.*

[jjh927]

If we never elim anyone who has been in a fight, there will be 4 people who have not been in a fight in 7p. Therefore, even if we do not elim scum, if scum have not put any of their team into a fight at that point, they risk losing 2/3 of their team to a 50/50 and going into the following day phase at 4-1

I think this ups the town ev somewhat

[Jingle]

Suppose a game of Superfight Mafia is being played. D1 goes as normal. The following is an example of potential outcomes.

Karl is chosen to be the first elimination. The thread locks and Karl goes to the dead thread. Karl then chooses as a constraint "The fight will take place in an upside down goldfish bowl on Mars."

The Mafia team of Amanda, Klein, and Rufus chooses Rufus and Jimmy to fight. Rufus and Jimmy have 24 hours to choose a fighter, both having been told nothing of the constraint. At the end of this time, the fighters will be revealed as follows.

Our next fight is:

FIGHTER A: Chuck Norris.
FIGHTER B: Thousands of Man Eating Micro Bacteria

The fight will take place in an upside down goldfish bowl on Mars.

Players may then vote for the winner of the fight by PM.

After a winner is determined, the loser dies. If a tie occurs, a fighter will randomly be selected to die. All votes for the winner (as well as who cast them) will be published the next day.

In this case, Rufus, who chose Chuck Norris loses and dies. The following is posted:

Chuck Norris, Rufus, was voted for by {Players}.
Thousands of Man Eating Micro Bacteria, Jimmy, was voted for by {Players}.

Rufus, Mafia, has died.

During D2 no elimination occurs.

At the beginning of N2, Amanda, Klein and Rufus must choose two living players to fight. They may not choose Jimmy, as Jimmy has won more fights than another living player.

Rufus chooses the constraint to be "While riding a motorcycle in ancient Greece." and is able to tell the other mafia members this if he chooses, because mafia have persistent scumchat.

[Jingle]

Additionally, I can confirm that all Role PMs this game were included in Post 1. If you have any questions about formatting or game mechanics feel free to ask for clarification, as there are not intended to be any hidden mechanics this game.

[jjh927]

Jingle may not have foreseen this strategy in the discussion of this setup but I am sure he approves of it

This is the "If town completely fucks up at every step you can still do the funny fight thing" gambit, where if scum have never been in a fight you wind up with a true 50/50 followed by either a scum win or a 4-1 gamestate where scum is confirmed to exist in 1 of the 2 most recent fight survivors (also known as a town win) - the existence of which incentivises scum to be in exactly one fight before that point


Pedit: okay, very interesting that votes become made public as the explicit opposite was implied by word use

[Enchant]

Additionally, I can confirm that all Role PMs this game were included in Post 1. If you have any questions about formatting or game mechanics feel free to ask for clarification, as there are not intended to be any hidden mechanics this game.

@Mod, what happens if both choosen manage to pick same fighter word in word?

[Jingle]

@Mod, what happens if both choosen manage to pick same fighter word in word?

The fight would be announced as such:

Our next fight is:
Fighter A: The same fighter word for word
Fighter B: The same fighter word for word

They must defeat William Shatner in a deadpan spoken word rendition of the song "What's Up" by 4 Non Blondes.