Open 842: Diffusion of Power [Postgame]

[redtea]

thx @tejate

[GuiltyLion]

so while you're here, how are you feeling about this game and the people in it?

*wheezing and gurgling noises* *collapses on the sidewalk*

I also strongly disagree with implosion's assertion that redtea is not trying to look town. redtea is not trying to look 'solvey' sure. but redtea IS trying to use charisma/humor to pass a vibe check. I would say a post like this is definitely designed to be townread, I would even say it serves no other real purpose. And I can say the same exact thing about redtea's first post about fua making them laugh, that was kinda my main point when I first cased them

[redtea]

oh shit i got found out

/gen
/not a scum slip

[redtea]

no really tho i can only find so many ways to say 'when i have a cohesive picture of this game i'll say so'

[GuiltyLion]

If redtea is town I feel like the probability that this is scum!GL trying to redirect us into the LHF is quite high, if one of Meg/Tejate are scum.

it's like I said before, the confidence that redtea is scum seems a bit overdone to me...I would still suspect that GL may or not have thrown his most fragile teammate under the bus to gain town cred.

this is also really bugging me and makes me think my whole gamestate view is fucked and Shirou might be scum

first, he says if Meg/Tejate are scum, my plan would be to distract town off my buddy onto a LHF town wagon

then, he says if redtea is scum, my plan is to bus the weakest member of my team.

So in one world, scum!GL doesn't bus his buddies, instead he's trying to save them by pushing the easiest available counterwagon

but in another world, scum!GL is bussing for towncred?

It's not consistent or an honest treatment of me. Shirou has no position on whether I as scum am likely to bus my buddies, instead he's finding ways to scumread me regardless of redtea's alignment and regardless of Meg/Tejate's alignment. There's no consideration here of why wouldn't scum!GL bus scumbuddy!Meg, why wouldn't scum!GL save buddy!redtea by pushing Meg instead, etc. It feels like a really warped way of treating my slot and my brain is stuck on trying to process how this could be genuine

does anyone else see this?

[Shirou]

This redtea thing is boring me so much that I feel like voting them just to get this over

We flip them, if it flips town we begin discussing Meg/Tejate. If it flips scum you can do whatever you want.

Maybe it's not a terrible idea if it's like that.

p-edit: oh my

[Shirou]

GL my suspicious on you has nothing to do with whether I think you bus or protect team mates as scum. That's just the complete wrong approach to understand it.

What irks me is how much confidence and how much you're digging in redtea. Whether it flips town or scum is just tools to try to make sense of it and if there's good scum motivation or not to do it.

[GuiltyLion]

I mean I guess the simple explanation is he just doesn't like my confidence on redtea, but I really hate how he's using that to find a way in which I am scum regardless of what the alignments are of any of the other players involved. like just vote me instead if that's your position?

[Shirou]

I mean I guess the simple explanation is he just doesn't like my confidence on redtea, but I really hate how he's using that to find a way in which I am scum regardless of what the alignments are of any of the other players involved. like just vote me instead if that's your position?

no I trust a cop to check you later

if you're town you're valuable

[implosion]

Scum motivation would be to be townread for their apathy.

And look how well that's working with 75% of the player list.

what is the distinction between redtea's particular brand of apathy and 2020 Scumteam Apathy

at this point in site meta, "not trying = town" feels like a surface-of-the-sun take

I'm not familiar with 2020 Scumteam Apathy. I know someone mentioned it at some point but I'm really not familiar with this piece of site meta.

[GuiltyLion]

Whether it flips town or scum is just tools to try to make sense of it and if there's good scum motivation or not to do it.

ok, but if redtea is scum, and I am scum with redtea, why not just take the free Meg/Tejate options instead?

and if redtea is town, and I am scum with Meg, why not bus him for towncred instead and save redtea for later?

when you reason like this you can write any narrative you want

[Shirou]

well goodnight

p-edit: that's why I said I don't think it's that bad if redtea flips scum compared to town, but it would still make sense for scum!GL to keep talking about redtea to get towncred imo. I need to sleep now, maybe later I can talk more

[GuiltyLion]

the tl;dr for my 2220 by the way is just POE

I POE my scumreads and focus on finding town

if I can't find you town, you're good odds for scum and I want to lim you

I see no reason to find redtea town, 90 pages into the game

[implosion]

This:

Not a single one of redtea's posts looks like it's crafted to get people to townread them

is

never

a good reason to townread someone if it's by itself. Combined with other points, sure. But assuming that every scum player is going to try to get townread and going to play the way that

you

think scum should be played is a complete fool's errand, and gong to wreck you every time you meet the meme/apathetic scum players who just don't give a damn about tryharding (often as either alignment, but especially as scum)]

I understand what you're saying; and yet, I feel like this type of read, in practice, isn't really less accurate for me than a a more wholistic wait-and-see approach. Though it's possible that I just haven't played any or enough games where I lived as town to late game recently.

so while you're here, how are you feeling about this game and the people in it?

*wheezing and gurgling noises* *collapses on the sidewalk*

I also strongly disagree with implosion's assertion that redtea is not trying to look town. redtea is not trying to look 'solvey' sure. but redtea IS trying to use charisma/humor to pass a vibe check. I would say a post like this is definitely designed to be townread, I would even say it serves no other real purpose. And I can say the same exact thing about redtea's first post about fua making them laugh, that was kinda my main point when I first cased them

I mean part of my point is that this is Clearly Not Working For Them and yet they keep doing it. If redtea had late d1 suddenly started giving opinions and voting and stuff, no one would have called them scummier for that. It's almost the objectively correct play as scum in a meta sense, because clearly, the people in this game aren't willing to townread someone solely on Vibes. Yet they didn't do it, and they're still doing exactly the same thing.

[Cephrir]

no really tho i can only find so many ways to say 'when i have a cohesive picture of this game i'll say so'

you could tell us about your non cohesive picture

[redtea]

meg would be an uphill battle and irt tejate how often does scum turbo-charge a slot and get away with it?

i really do think some rn would do well to draw lines in the sand of what they think is likely/unlikely, instead of falling into either littering the thread with theories or just not knowing where to go with their vague opinions and impressions.

[redtea]

no really tho i can only find so many ways to say 'when i have a cohesive picture of this game i'll say so'

you could tell us about your non cohesive picture

okay
implosion: by end of d1 woah, but then d2... ???
gl: conspiracy theorist
shirou: ?????
ydrasse: possibly coasting on doc claim
amazonian: we're not online at the same time
morph: we're not online at the same time
cephrir: the ship that i pass in the night
numbq: vague impression of being reasonable idk keep forgetting
tejate: isoing atm
meg: i saw 5 posts

[redtea]

just realized that the only solid-but-without-preprepared-text-evidence anti-associative thoughts i have are gl-shirou when i know i could find more so: non cohesive anti-associatives picture incoming tomorrow probably

[fua]

VOTE: Redtea

I kind of agree with biting the bullet and getting it over with before we have to rely on them in Lylo.

[fua]

Or Lilo. I'm not sure what it is.

[fua]

I don't want to deal with 30 more pages of 'Is redtea not caring about the game scum indicative????' because we're just talking about personal opinions and will get nowhere. Let's keep people who are invested in the game in the game.

[MegAzumarill]

It feels like scum is very much happy with the focus being on inactive slots so I feel like between Tejate/Ydrasse/redtea there is at most 1 scum.

[Shirou]

amazonian: we're not online at the same time
morph: we're not online at the same time

this excuse is wild

[Shirou]

like now that's something to scum read the slot for

what the fuck do you mean you need to be online with the person at the same time to have a read on them...?

That applies to most slots, you are almost never here, neither I've seen you ever mention that in town games. Do you've any examples of you saying that as town?

[Shirou]

just realized that the only solid-but-without-preprepared-text-evidence anti-associative thoughts i have are gl-shirou when i know i could find more so: non cohesive anti-associatives picture incoming tomorrow probably

this way of sorting feels kinda...so weird

I've never seen you completely ditch having reads to go for "anti-associative sorting"

although at the same time it's still such a wild and weird approach on how to play scum