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[MathBlade]

Cut that in half because Lap flipped goon. I’d call this a unicorn game if Andres or you aren’t scum

[Frogsterking]

When you say very good AtE do you mean that you'll AtE for multiple pages and bring up past games and stuff?

This is my only completed scum game:

viewtopic.php?t=87360&f=54&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

you can read it for how I can use AtE as mafia.

LOL it looks just like this.

VOTE: Ari

UNVOTE: Ari

I'm joking, sorry I couldn't resist, seriously I think Ari is town.

[VP Baltar]

The case was good and then this interaction was a lot and looks TvT to me. UNVOTE: Ari

Unless someone comes in and says they've personally seen Ari play like this as scum I think Ari is town.

I don't think ari acting like this is AI fwiw.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Ari

Like I can’t not when she continues to push it.

Will hop on Andres if it becomes a major wagon.

[OutWorldER]

Yeah, I'd agree that the other scum were likely off wagon.

Can you walk me through your reason for believing this?

RTP is already flipped, assuming you are town and you are being truthful about your info on A50's slot, then A50/Math is town. House is all but conftown because of the mason claim. Frogster had been pushing Laplacian basically since they arrived to the game and was one of the kickstarters of it along with RTP.

The only viable candidates for a bus are Datisi, Andres, and Ari. Datisi's push before Lap in 194 and 211 do not read as distancing to me and the same goes for his pushes later in the day, nor does Datisi have a reason to kill RTP. The same goes for Ari and Andres, I don't think either of those slots kill RTP N1.

[MathBlade]

Yeah, I'd agree that the other scum were likely off wagon.

Can you walk me through your reason for believing this?

RTP is already flipped, assuming you are town and you are being truthful about your info on A50's slot, then A50/Math is town. House is all but conftown because of the mason claim. Frogster had been pushing Laplacian basically since they arrived to the game and was one of the kickstarters of it along with RTP.

The only viable candidates for a bus are Datisi, Andres, and Ari. Datisi's push before Lap in 194 and 211 do not read as distancing to me and the same goes for his pushes later in the day, nor does Datisi have a reason to kill RTP. The same goes for Ari and Andres, I don't think either of those slots kill RTP N1.

Why do you think neither of those slots kill RTP?

[Aristeia]

VOTE: Ari

Like I can’t not when she continues to push it.

Will hop on Andres if it becomes a major wagon.

Push what?

[VP Baltar]

Datisi's push before Lap in 194 and 211 do not read as distancing to me and the same goes for his pushes later in the day

Be more specific. What about datisi's push indicates he is town?

As far as the "X would never kill RTP" argument, I find that completely silly. There are many reasons to kill RTP, including trying to smear me. It's very first order thinking to say scum only kill people who are actively pushing them. Is that a consideration? Sure! Is it the only reason to make a NK? Absolutely not.

The only other person besides me in RTP's solve, if you believe that logic, is IV. And even if you believe he is scum, who is the other scum? Clearly one of the scum did not have this direct motivation to kill RTP, so my point is proven true.

[Aristeia]

Every single mechanical probability I had there was accurate

The double voter was scum
Wake was outside of usual patterns

The realistic odds of a wagon not containing a scum are slim. It requires select 7 of 12 no scum.

Odds of first slot 9/12
Second 8/11
Third 7/10
6/11
5/10
4/9
3/8

Multiplying those together is around .22 percent

So 78% odds either Ari or Andres are scum.

Mafia is not a math game

[Aristeia]

You lost the other game because you are very rigid in how you expect a wagon to look.

You ignored the reads of the other town players in the game who were right about wagon composition and insisted you were right.

You make excuses about it being a unicorn wagon and highly atypical to excuse your close-mindedness.

Instead of learning from your mistake you are doubling down on the wagon must look a certain way therefore I am going to push according to it.

[Frogsterking]

1755 and 1757 im interested in hearing answered since I'm primarily looking offwagon now.

[OutWorldER]

The way Datisi put Lapla, a newbscum and he would've known that, directly in the spotlight to fend for himself in the posts I linked leads me to believe those could not be S/S interactions.

As far as the "X would never kill RTP" argument, I find that completely silly. There are many reasons to kill RTP, including trying to smear me.

Scum would not need to kill RTP to push through a lim on you, especially since RTP seemed completely set on You/Skitter. That was my point, that if Skitter was town then scum would have no reason to kill RTP, since RTP would most likely drive through Skitter's mislim themselves.

I think regardless of anything, Skitter needs to get flipped today.

[VP Baltar]

You lost the other game because you are very rigid in how you expect a wagon to look.

You ignored the reads of the other town players in the game who were right about wagon composition and insisted you were right.

You make excuses about it being a unicorn wagon and highly atypical to excuse your close-mindedness.

Instead of learning from your mistake you are doubling down on the wagon must look a certain way therefore I am going to push according to it.

This passing contest is very boring. Can we move on?

[VP Baltar]

Pissing contest

[Aristeia]

sure

[Frogsterking]

OutWorldER have you expressed an opinion on the onwagon offwagon debate?

[Aristeia]

@1615 Your Datisi push at the beginning of the day was really tinfoily and reachy. The "chain elim" argument is something I've seen from town before when they're paranoid about a slot and it's usually a bad argument since it's much more likely that the slot in question is just looking through potential associatives.

So let me ask if you agree with datisi it is unlikely the other two scum were on a Lap bus. You think both scum were off wagon?

Yeah, I'd agree that the other scum were likely off wagon.

[Frogsterking]

OutWorldER seems as if he's choosing his words carefully. Just a feel.

[OutWorldER]

That's normal for me, I usually have A Lot Of Thoughts(tm) and if I didn't pick my words carefully I would end up incomprehensible. Most of my posts go through like 500 small revisions and sometimes I'll start posting something and then overwhelm myself and just give up on saying anything.

Sometimes I'll stream of consciousness but only when I get particularly inspired.

[skitter30]

Hey i'm like around but i'm imminently getting on a plane and i've read nothing since daystart, lets see how far i can get

[VP Baltar]

Scum would not need to kill RTP to push through a lim on you, especially since RTP seemed completely set on You/Skitter. That was my point, that if Skitter was town then scum would have no reason to kill RTP, since RTP would most likely drive through Skitter's mislim themselves.

I think regardless of anything, Skitter needs to get flipped today.

Man, listen to me: first, RTP is not someone I'd be afraid to go against if I was scum. They are a good player, but it is not that difficult to spin them up. Look how tilted they were getting yesterday at me asking very basic questions. I was not even trying to provoke them, which i would do as scum. Second, when I'm town, I'm never going to eat a misyeet. I will always fight tooth and claw because that's my win condition. I don't think this is a secret about me. Scum leaving RTP alive to fight me is a major gamble as scum because there is simply a nonzero chance that fight ends in people realizing I'm playing in my town meta. That's compared to RTP is dead and a gang of people start the day today saying "lol brain off, we do what RTP would have wanted! Vote: vp". Hell, some people continued to poke around it even after I softed I had clearing info on Math.

Third, as I stated before, there are all kinds of players in this game with histories with koba, and any number of reasons to want them out. They play a wildcard game, and that is never good if you are scum. Period.

Fourth, if the scum IS Datisi or Ari, who do you NK other than RTP? The masons are probably something you avoid because they are protection/watcher bait. You dont touch the people who are barely playing, and me/A50 were yeet bait to start the day. RTP is a logical kill spot to get out a decent player who could sideline your narrative and get super stubborn at any point.

[VP Baltar]

sure

Thank you, honestly. Not bagging on either of you. I just don't like games to get Toxic. I appreciate you letting it go.

[skitter30]

though, i would like skitter to tell me why she was scumleaning vp around 422. is it just him having "Strong Opinions on the survey"?

I didnt like his reaction to frogster's survey and felt like he was finding a reason to push him. This read changed later on

[skitter30]

Okay, so..

I retract the Masons claim.

I claimed that in the hopes that either I or iv would be targeted last night, and to keep a townread from being wagoned my

iv playing along reads to me as town. Scum would likely suspect a trap.

That RTP died over either of us, however, is disconcerting.

VOTE: VP

Dont like that he played along or this vp vote or that neither of you died ...

[House]

I'm riding this Andres wagon until he flips, at this point.

When he's dead, still not voting Ari.

#sorrynotsorry