Mini Theme 2259: Superfight Mafia!

[Faerie Mages]

Faerie: Mage, how do u feel about the camera footage I just played?
Mage: Hmm I think that jj guy looks worse because the defense on the nk dude looked weird
Faerie: I think it might only be an issue if nk is scum
Mage: I think the bear looks a lot worse if nk is town
Faerie: Sure, I think that we'll come to an agreement when it comes to it
Mage: That concludes episode two of destroying the baddies with Faerie and Mage! Until next time... *zap*

care to explain why both jjh and pooky were chosen to fight?

this post makes you look like you scum slipped

Faerie: What?
Mage: Faerie, we got caught so fast. I told you mafia was hard!
Faerie: What is the correlation between these two events at all??
Mage: The evidence is absolute damning, don't even bother with them, Faerie

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: Faerie Mages

Openwolfing, chainsaw defending themself

willing to vote Flea as well, but openwolves are more LHF

[jjh927]

Temporallich, it is clear that you are trying but you do misinterpret things a lot

241 is the singular post I was just talking about with regards to trying to change the perceived gamestate to see if anyone tried to defend NK15

The "self evident" aspect of NK15's scumplay comes entirely from my rather in-depth push on him

PEdit: 343 is another example of a misinterpretation, for what it's worth, as while I can see that you are thinking you are not thinking very logically

[jjh927]

To elaborate- Faerie mentioned me and Pookie in a post close to deadline, and then me and Pookie were selected to fight.

How do these two things connect at all, let alone point to scum!Faerie?

[TemporalLich]

why not NM? He's playing some weird 6D chess with multiverse time travel and quantum superposition town game

pedit: 241 could be a reaction test but it does make you look like you're definitely bussing. As for 343 that's a post where jjh looks bad if NK15 is scum and where pooky looks bad if NK15 is town, it's a bit too telegraphed for me

btw the response is openwolfing so my vote is staying there even if it's mod-confirmed to be a misrep

ppedit: magical thinking

[jjh927]

If you want to speculate at all on the participants of the fight, the big question in my mind is why I wasn't fighting Radical Rat. To put it bluntly, I was pretty sure I was gonna be fighting, and I was pretty sure that's who I was going to be fighting

[TemporalLich]

(my vote will change, but not because I misrepped faerie, my scumread on them is still in medium confidence)

there's nothing in your ISO that could even be read as such jjh, and I Ctrl+F5ed Radical. You're just trying to bus Radical Rat as well.

[jjh927]

why not NM? He's playing some weird 6D chess with multiverse time travel and quantum superposition town game

pedit: 241 could be a reaction test but it does make you look like you're definitely bussing. As for 343 that's a post where jjh looks bad if NK15 is scum and where pooky looks bad if NK15 is town, it's a bit too telegraphed for me

btw the response is openwolfing so my vote is staying there even if it's mod-confirmed to be a misrep

ppedit: magical thinking

How does 241 look like I am bussing? I never actually voted NK15. I just went really hard on exposing why he was tonally scum, but I did that elsewhere. 241 is a defence of NK15.


343 is the kind of post I have seen people make as scum, which is why I wanted to question it in more detail. It's also a post I have seen people make as town. I would also say that it is impossible to make me look bad given the relative levels of influence on the gamestate, so the outcome doesn't achieve anything pro-scum.

[Not_Mafia]

He's playing some weird 6D chess with multiverse time travel and quantum superposition town game

Who does this mean, my cow brain isn't big enough to understand it

[jjh927]

(my vote will change, but not because I misrepped faerie, my scumread on them is still in medium confidence)

there's nothing in your ISO that could even be read as such jjh, and I Ctrl+F5ed Radical. You're just trying to bus Radical Rat as well.

Nothing in my ISO that could be read as indicating that I expected to be fighting radical rat? Why would I have pointed that out?



If I'm trying to bus people, does that mean you think I am scum, or do you misunderstand what bussing is?

[jjh927]

If you mean there is nothing in my iso that indicates my push on NK15 then I really don't know what I can say to help here because you would be both missing a significant portion of my iso as well as suffering from memory loss given that you were influenced by my push on NK15

[TemporalLich]

I reskimmed your ISO and I'm clearly mistaken, you only voted NK15 in RVS

pretty sure you have to vote to bus someone, besides both defenses and pushes don't indicate a bus

343 is me thinking there was a scumslip with the sussy correlation, the seemingly flailing and dissonant response is openwolfing

pedit: @NK15: think of "5D chess with multiverse time travel" (a real game in Dimension 1, believe it or not) and add another dimension.

@jjh [1]: there's no incentive to do that as scum would just pit you against someone else

I thought you were trying to push NK15 with zero substance, I have a medium confidence town read on you

@jjh [2]: skimming doesn't catch details so that's what happened lol, also yeah I forgot lol

[TemporalLich]

ebwop: NM, not NK15 (who is scum and dead)

[jjh927]

I have 5d chess with multiverse time travel on steam

[jjh927]

I think the main thing I am griping at here is that to bus means that you are scum who contributes to the elimination of scum

that is, if you think someone is bussing, that means you think they are scum


Another word you used, "definitely", means that something is the case 100% of the time.
Therefore, when you say I am "definitely bussing", you are saying I am 100% scum.


From my perspective, you reached this conclusion by questionable logic which itself rested on a misinterpretation of a single post, while ignoring like 95% of the posts I had made in relation to NK15- some of which I would hope you would remember given that I was the person who dissected NK15's tone, and forgetting my contribution to the day kinda indicates you aren't townhunting at all- and I'm really not sure what to think about that now

[TemporalLich]

you stating your push was only tonal somehow proves my point (which was mistaken)

tone isn't substance, and I saw NK15 as substantially scummy which makes my Day 1 easy

but yeah I might be mistaken on "bus", even though NK15 was a red flip I was saying that because your push seemingly lacked substance or even heft (tone can be hefty, but not substantial)

and something can be definite while still mistaken, that's called not having the right information

[TemporalLich]

but yeah I somehow managed to unlearn the entirety of Day 1

[jjh927]

I don't know how you can say tone isn't substance and that you considered NK15 substantially scummy in the same breath. Tone was the ONLY thing to go off at the point where you voted him

Tone absolutely is substance especially when you dig into it in the way I did

[jjh927]

This chain of posts informed pretty much every single scumread of NK15. The primary push here was that his word choices betrayed his allegiances due to a disparity between his tone and his ostensible beliefs about the game.

Because Flea is the first scum

And what is your evidence?

Putting things into words moves it away from my subconscious and there's no reason to do that yet

Simply trust in my my well-documented ability to find scum on day 1

That being said, if you'd like to engage with real arguments, I note that the tone in your question there is substantially more defensive than the simple "Why do you think that?", which I find very interesting given that I have you listed as another plausible scumteam member

That being said, if you'd like to engage with real arguments, I note that the tone in your question there is substantially more defensive than the simple "Why do you think that?", which I find very interesting given that I have you listed as another plausible scumteam member


That being said, if you'd like to engage with real arguments, I note that the tone in your question there is substantially more defensive than the simple "Why do you think that?", which I find very interesting given that I have you listed as another plausible scumteam member

No, my tone is like that because I don't believe there is anything AI there so far.

Putting things into words moves it away from my subconscious and there's no reason to do that yet

Simply trust in my my well-documented ability to find scum on day 1

In other words, you don't have anything convincing.
VOTE: jjh927

Your tone was defensive of flea- that is not at all explained by your apparent belief that there is nothing AI there yet, as if you truly believed that in a self-consistent way then I think you would be more interested in the possibility of there being a reason than the reverse.

Did you ask on the grounds that you thought it would be impossible for me to elaborate?
If so;
-Why does asking with that intention yield any more useful information than just waiting and seeing what I do?

I would say your question was asked with the explicit intention of pushing me afterwards because I correctly pinned your scumbuddy and put you in a poe

[jjh927]

but yeah I somehow managed to unlearn the entirety of Day 1

How do you do this? I find it really hard to believe you can just forget your reads.

[TemporalLich]

aren't tone arguments considered to be bad arguments (they're better than ad hominem which would be something like thinking NM is scum because of his lolhammer meta)?

and yeah, 147 is full of scummy arguments. That's called

substance

, arguments are substance, tone is not.

pedit: somehow you managed to turn tone into substance

I'm not willing to explain why I forgot, it isn't relevant to the game

[jjh927]

Bad arguments are considered to be bad arguments

Frequently, tone arguments come down to "That pinged me" which is a bad argument

A good argument is one that addresses something tangible. For a good tone argument, you need to be able to identify why the tone is unexpected from town, what you would have expected, and why this unexpected aspect of the tone in practice is scum indicative
This is pretty much true of any argument you can make around alignment

[TemporalLich]

so apparently tone can be substance?

huh, you have a good argument for that, so yeah

[jjh927]

Well, what convinced you initially to vote NK15?

[TemporalLich]

Well, what convinced you initially to vote NK15?

I don't remember so I can only extrapolate from what was said...

138 is a transparently defensive argument and also an OMGUS, 145/146 is clear like the luminiferous aether.