Open 842: Diffusion of Power [Postgame]

[Tejate Raichu]

My question morph, do you think fua has a reason to fakeclaim a result on you if it's scum!fua and town!morph? I wouldn't really say scum win exactly hinges on your slot to the point where they'd sacrifice a teammate when they're already in a losing position.

[Enchant]

No sense for much words just answer simple question.

Fake?
Yes or No.

Think carefully before answering and take care. If you say Yes, i vote Morph.

[Enchant]

I meant if you answer No.

I am dumb.

[Enchant]

Actually i will vote in both cases.

[morph the cat]

My question morph, do you think fua has a reason to fakeclaim a result on you if it's scum!fua and town!morph? I wouldn't really say scum win exactly hinges on your slot to the point where they'd sacrifice a teammate when they're already in a losing position.

And this is why we're certain this is town pulling a wake88.

[numberQ]

Actually i will vote in both cases.

Wait so then wouldn't you just... vote now?

[Enchant]

Actually i will vote in both cases.

Wait so then wouldn't you just... vote now?

Because if i vote everyone else will vote for E-1 and then hesitate 7 days.

I will cut this fast and painless.

[Tejate Raichu]

Honestly I'm kind of down for fast day if fua doesn't retract. fua, you understand that I will hard tunnel you tomorrow if you're lying about your results yes?

[GuiltyLion]

we need to at least wait for implosion, Meg, Shirou, to check in in case they have any info as well

[numberQ]

Good morning. This topic of contention is dreadfully boring, so I'll say this. If fua is lying and doesn't retract their guilty result before the end of Day 3, I'll move to policy lim them. We good on that whole WIFOM debate now? Cause fua is almost certainly town and an investigation on morph makes sense.

Onto topics I actually find interesting to discuss at length, I may need to do some re-working of my reads. If morph flips red, at least one of implo and Shirou actually came up with that not very good reason to townread redtea on their own, as opposed to something thrown around in scum PT. If I had to pick scum out of those two, it would almost certainly be Shirou. implo's read on redtea, while pretty faulty on the logic front, is consistent with the rest of his posts. Shirou's recent posts shortly below the redtea elim do not sound as if they come from town, at all.

Are you talking about Shirou's case on GL and their plan to no lim today? Out of Shirou's entire ISO that's really the only section that's given me reason to hard scumread them, whereas I've felt implo has given me several reasons to scumread.

[Tejate Raichu]

Good morning. This topic of contention is dreadfully boring, so I'll say this. If fua is lying and doesn't retract their guilty result before the end of Day 3, I'll move to policy lim them. We good on that whole WIFOM debate now? Cause fua is almost certainly town and an investigation on morph makes sense.

Onto topics I actually find interesting to discuss at length, I may need to do some re-working of my reads. If morph flips red, at least one of implo and Shirou actually came up with that not very good reason to townread redtea on their own, as opposed to something thrown around in scum PT. If I had to pick scum out of those two, it would almost certainly be Shirou. implo's read on redtea, while pretty faulty on the logic front, is consistent with the rest of his posts. Shirou's recent posts shortly below the redtea elim do not sound as if they come from town, at all.

Are you talking about Shirou's case on GL and their plan to no lim today? Out of Shirou's entire ISO that's really the only section that's given me reason to hard scumread them, whereas I've felt implo has given me several reasons to scumread.

I don't think that's really the only reason. The main reason those posts even came about in the first place is because I drew an associative between them and redtea. I said that their read on redtea was just barely committed enough that they could push wagons on other people, while also easily throwing redtea to the wolves if need be, but showed no intention of actually doing such. Once it was clear that redtea was the new wagon, I saw nothing but resistance. The weird posts are just the cherry on top.

[numberQ]

I should probably look back at Shirou's ISO for real instead of relying on my memories of how I felt about it.

[Tejate Raichu]

It heavily strikes me as the reaction of a scum who realizes how close their team composition is to being solved. No elimming there would have been anti-town for sure, in most circumstances it's pretty much always better to lim a scum sooner than later. Even if they are likely to be limmed later. And yet, despite this fact that should have been apparent, considering Shirou and I believe implosion as well even called me out earlier in the game for focusing too much on info from flips... Shirou was the one actively campaigning that we skip out on a vote on someone who is, at best, null and never going to improve beyond that. I have already described why I thought they were worse than null.

Even with the mis-elim from yesterday, the no kill on night 1 combined with a day 2 elim on scum puts the mafia team in a pretty horrible position. Even delaying redtea's death one day would improve things a tiny bit for scum.

Point is, it reeks of panic. The N3 cop claim is very convenient for scum in that position. And the over-eagerness to state that they're "going to be wagoned soon" when it's clear from the gamestate that there is zero chance that happens UNLESS town followed my suggestion to cop them, tastes like scum who wants to dodge being caught out as much as they can.

[GuiltyLion]

also, the biggest issue in my mind is that if Shirou is genuinely a town N3 cop, he should have known claiming on D2 is a massive, massive risk to get killed either last night or tonight.

especially

last night since we had a N2 doc already eliminated and the other claimed N2 doc leashed to fua. it's just so bad for a town cop to claim preemptively there, and all to try to save a slot that wound up flipping scum

[fua]

It is a fakeclaim but Morph’s reaction to it was absolutely horrid. My case on them still stands.

[Tejate Raichu]

So you're not a N2 cop, then?

[fua]

Anyway, if you're instinctual response is to say that I'm lying about copping you, then there shouldn't really be a debate here.

VOTE: Morph

Just for posterity's sake.

What other response would you expect if they were town?

I just woke up but the move is probably to wait and see how this plays out for a bit either way.

Definitely not personal attacks.

[fua]

So you're not a N2 cop, then?

No, but thanks to Morph for bullying me into outing that.

[morph the cat]

Anyway, if you're instinctual response is to say that I'm lying about copping you, then there shouldn't really be a debate here.

VOTE: Morph

Just for posterity's sake.

What other response would you expect if they were town?

I just woke up but the move is probably to wait and see how this plays out for a bit either way.

Definitely not personal attacks.

Get used to them.

But thanks for retracting that horror of fake claim.

Did you investigate one of the gordian knot, or was your entire n2 cop thing a lie too?

[fua]

Morph is still lockscum and Shirou is likely their partner.

[morph the cat]

US?

BULLYING??

YOU'RE THE PLAYER WHO FAKED A GUILTY ON TOWN.

THAT'S BULLYING.

and that will be my only capslock about it to you before postgame.

[morph the cat]

US?

BULLYING??

YOU'RE THE PLAYER WHO FAKED A GUILTY ON TOWN.

THAT'S BULLYING.

and that will be my only capslock about it to you before postgame.

[numberQ]

So you're not a N2 cop, then?

No, but thanks to Morph for bullying me into outing that.

da fuq?

[morph the cat]

Also, if you don't know how to read a reaction to being fake-guiltied then you have zero business trying this kind of gambit.

[morph the cat]