Open 842: Diffusion of Power [Postgame]

[fua]

Not saying they should have shot Shirou. Saying they should have shot Ceph. Tbh I think there's a chance the right move for scum was simply to gambit that Enchant would WIFOM and shoot fua, too, if the game is truly as doomed for them as we think it is.

Unless NumberQ and Ceph are the scumteam I don’t think this is valid (if it’s meant to shade Ceph).

[implosion]

I also do want to hear Shirou's takes/if he still is fully anti-GL/etc.

I think I might not really be anti-GL anymore. but I need to dwell some more.

[implosion]

Not meant to shade Ceph, sorry. Just meant to come up with reasons why it was Amazons. I won't spend too long thinking about it. It could theoretically make sense if morph is scum because they knew they'd get turned on eventually, or if morph is town because scum would have known amazons would locktown morph later. or something.

[Enchant]

Not saying they should have shot Shirou. Saying they should have shot Ceph. Tbh I think there's a chance the right move for scum was simply to gambit that Enchant would WIFOM and shoot fua, too, if the game is truly as doomed for them as we think it is.

Fairly i wanted to heal someone else instead, but persuaded myself from doing so.

[fua]

I still think Shirou is probably scum. Yesterday was absolutely not a good look and the way he just acquiesced to going on the redtea wagon felt disingenuous at best.

[Tejate Raichu]

I actually think Ceph was more likely to get healed than Amazonians. They have yet to claim (possible cop, mafia wants this dead and as such other night 2 docs are more likely attracted to it). In my opinion the night kill would have had to be one of those two since they're both all but innocent children at that point.

[fua]

I actually think Ceph was more likely to get healed than Amazonians. They have yet to claim (possible cop, mafia wants this dead and as such other night 2 docs are more likely attracted to it). In my opinion the night kill would have had to be one of those two since they're both all but innocent children at that point.

That is a very good point.

[implosion]

I also agree... those are the same reasons Ceph would be a better shot, particularly from scum who are losing and would need to take risks.

I'll just drop it, this point is probably just me projecting the way I think about things in a kind of not useful way.

[Tejate Raichu]

I also agree... those are the same reasons Ceph would be a better shot, particularly from scum who are losing and would need to take risks.

I'll just drop it, this point is probably just me projecting the way I think about things in a kind of not useful way.

I didn't say I necessarily disagreed, just that I can see where the nightkill might have come from. I'd rather not offer my opinions on who I personally would night kill in these situations until after the game, I'd rather not give mafia hints.

That being said, I don't think it really could have been anyone but Amazonian or Ceph. fua might have been on the table in hopes that Enchant would WIFOM their night action (which they apparently were tempted to do and I can't blame them).

[numberQ]

On night 1 they went for a risk, on night 2 they went for a guarantee. Makes sense to me.

I think this is it. Anyone saying scum should have taken a risk because they're losing is blind to the perspective that losing scum would be looking for two things in a NK target: 1) no doc protect, and 2) reduces town's ability to POE. Killing a PR is nice but also directly at odds to point 1. Enchant is the only other slot that neatly fits those criteria I think, besides AL.

[fua]

Scum probably thinks Enchant is a potential mislim down the line. I would literally bet the entire game on them being town.

[numberQ]

There were quite a few people hard TRing Enchant yesterday. Not sure why scum would be planning a mislim on him without that sentiment changing.

[Cephrir]

AL is sort of a strange kill; of all the AL-fua-ceph conf-ish-town morass, they're the one slot with a definitely useless role. I feel like that's a very strange kill for scum who is seemingly in a quite bad position to make and wonder if it means something significant.

I don't think it is. AL would have been near impossible to mis-elim and they know that no one is likely to protect them. On night 1 they went for a risk, on night 2 they went for a guarantee. Makes sense to me.

As for why they didn't kill a town!Shirou, well that's quite simple isn't it? Shirou no longer has the same wagon pushing power he had day 1. He's no longer largely immune to suspicion. Of course, that's assuming he's town... plus, we've had several doctor claims by now and a dead doc at the time of night 2, so the chances of there being a N3 doc are statistically not very high, especially if we're in 6-4. As we saw night 1, scum is presumably willing to take that risk.

this; if shirou is town, he probably was left alive as a potential mislim for today

[Cephrir]

my gut instinct is that morph is scum here. im not sure if this is weakened or strengthened by their d1 redtea push.

but i don't feel the need to jump into action quite yet.

my plan is to read redtea's iso soon. i will almost assuredly derive nothing of value from it, but it's an exercise that must be undertaken all the same. then i'll try to do the harder part of sorting the other direction of interaction

[Cephrir]

the AL kill on the other hand does look sort of good for them, maybe.

[morph the cat]

my gut instinct is that morph is scum here. im not sure if this is weakened or strengthened by their d1 redtea push.

but i don't feel the need to jump into action quite yet.

my plan is to read redtea's iso soon. i will almost assuredly derive nothing of value from it, but it's an exercise that must be undertaken all the same. then i'll try to do the harder part of sorting the other direction of interaction

And I was moved by your day 1 lament that nobody every invites you to the big kid's table in games. Not that you did anything with the reachouts, but still.

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I'll be afk or mobile-posting (~snort~) for the next 8-9 hours.

Enjoy unmitigated neuterhalf for the duration.

[Enchant]

Mafia ballsy claims Cops and wants to only kill doctors?

[Enchant]

Idk it's soo stupid it's actually briliant.

[Tejate Raichu]

My point wasn't that they wanted to kill a doc over a cop, my point was that they want to reduce process of elimination without the risk of a doc showing up and ruining this for scum even further.

[Tejate Raichu]

The more confirmed townies that stay alive, the harder it is for mafia to have space to actually do anything. It was the safest kill they could have made that reduces poe.

[Enchant]

I am never count as town worth kill, unless PR.

I am known for my inability to protect self from elims and overall noncompetency.

[MegAzumarill]

hello!

Read up to this point and I don't think morphs reaction is ai
Enchant should claim target and why

[Cephrir]

my gut instinct is that morph is scum here. im not sure if this is weakened or strengthened by their d1 redtea push.

but i don't feel the need to jump into action quite yet.

my plan is to read redtea's iso soon. i will almost assuredly derive nothing of value from it, but it's an exercise that must be undertaken all the same. then i'll try to do the harder part of sorting the other direction of interaction

And I was moved by your day 1 lament that nobody every invites you to the big kid's table in games. Not that you did anything with the reachouts, but still.

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I'll be afk or mobile-posting (~snort~) for the next 8-9 hours.

Enjoy unmitigated neuterhalf for the duration.

If townreading you is a requirement for entry, the big kids' table is actually just for cowards.

[morph the cat]

my gut instinct is that morph is scum here. im not sure if this is weakened or strengthened by their d1 redtea push.

but i don't feel the need to jump into action quite yet.

my plan is to read redtea's iso soon. i will almost assuredly derive nothing of value from it, but it's an exercise that must be undertaken all the same. then i'll try to do the harder part of sorting the other direction of interaction

And I was moved by your day 1 lament that nobody every invites you to the big kid's table in games. Not that you did anything with the reachouts, but still.

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I'll be afk or mobile-posting (~snort~) for the next 8-9 hours.

Enjoy unmitigated neuterhalf for the duration.

If townreading you is a requirement for entry, the big kids' table is actually just for cowards.

decent accuracy is a plus.

your lament wasn't aimed solely at me, though being the softy I am, it had an effect.

do better tomorrow, please.

[Cephrir]

Today is hardly over.