Micro 1042: Meme Wars | Fin!

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 3-3

Save The Dragons

(1): MegAzumarill

Not Voting

(4): Save The Dragons, Esooa, Dwlee99, Val89

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to eliminate.

Deadline: February 14, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2022-02-13 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[Save The Dragons]

if val is telling the truth and meg is lying

val must have been rb'd or jk'd n1 to get no result. then val jailkeeps megazumarill N2 and megazu doesn't do anything.

killer can't be esooa because she was RB'd n1. killer can't be megazu because they were jailkept. dwlee is the rb/jk who targeted val n1. and meg is lying for some reason. this scenario doesn't make sense. unless meg RB'd or jk val both nights. Block happens before Protect in NAR so this is possible, assuming NAR.

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if meg is telling the truth and val is lying

meg's track clears dwlee. esooa was rb'd N1 so that clears esooa. val didn't JK because multitasking isn't a thing? or val doesn't jailkeep megazu or doesn't have the JK power. Val is scum.

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Either is possible if the other is scum. So why exactly are you voting me, Megazu? shouldn't you be voting Val here?

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If both are telling the truth

Val was blocked and couldn't JK megazu, allowing Megazu to track Dwlee. Val was blocked by a RB both nights. Can't be Esooa because esooa was blocked N1. Can't be Dwlee because wasn't tracked to anything.

the only way this makes sense is if i'm a mafia RB, which i'm not.

I urge you to look at play and tell me why i was scum with Pooky/Three when I was hounding them all day 1 and when Three was trying to mislim me.

scum is in {Val, Megazu}. we lim both, we win. gg.

[Save The Dragons]

let me know if there's any flaws in my mech i don't really do mech stuff

[Save The Dragons]

if i had to choose one i'd choose megazu because

1) pooky tried to go after val for weird reasoning probably to mislim them
2) megazu just voted for me instead to try and mislim me instead of thinking about this and considering both val and myself as options

[Dwlee99]

Don't vote without me chiming in on the mechs

[Save The Dragons]

fire when ready

[Dwlee99]

6 days to deadline *evil smile*

[MegAzumarill]

I suspect you are a Mafia Universal Backup Std

Makes sense to me from a design respective of not having 3 roleblocking roles in a "Newbie Friendly" game and being a soft clear to the role cop while lowering towns positive feedback without making scum OP

[Val89]

My only issue with 851 is that I know I'm not scum, and StD, whilst mafia RBer, or a backup accounts for the results, they effectively say "it isn't me, just trust me bro". I'm not betting the game on that.

The pool as far as I am concerned is {Val, StD, MegA}. I think it's fairly obviously it isn't me, but I also understand it is difficult to correctly judge how your own play looks when you know your own motivations in a way that isn't available to others. If there is some spicy mech business that means it's either Dwlee or Esooa; I think it sucks, but it's gg, and I'll accept the loss gracefully; I don't think I am ever getting there.

If there is something in the mechs that clears, or even makes one of those significantly less likely, then it's time to hear it. A two slot pool is gamewinning, but I'm not buying StDs removal from it on trust.

[Save The Dragons]

im saying look at the interaction i had with three/pooky and tell me i'm mafia

[Save The Dragons]

why backup as opposed to any other role

[Dwlee99]

Can't be esooa because blocked + confirmed vanilla with a kill occurring is a clear assuming two scum

Can't be me unless I'm a multitasking ninja strongman roleblocker or something equally ridiculous

[Dwlee99]

@Mod:

does mafia have multitasking?

[Dwlee99]

Also val please full claim?

[MegAzumarill]

Val claimed joat jk cop Checker
n1 cop dwlee (no result)
n2 jk me

[Val89]

The above is correct.

[fferyllt]

@Mod:

does mafia have multitasking?

Mafia may multitask if they are the only living member of the Mafia team

[MegAzumarill]

Interesting ruling

[Save The Dragons]

i think dwlee would only need to be a roleblocker ninja (gated?) in that case

[MegAzumarill]

Still think Dwlee is clear but it makes Val!Town more likely imo because 2 mafia roleblockers make perfect sense in that world

[MegAzumarill]

Also this distinction between 1 scum dead or not would only really matter if there was a Tracker in game because it forces both scum to visit for full power. Normal multitasking would work functionally the same with the only difference being who performs the action.
This points to my claim being town, but I suppose i would've known this as scum before making my claim.

[Dwlee99]

So all the claims are:

Mega - Novice Tracker. N2 Dwlee -> Nowhere
STD - 1-shot RB. N1: Blocked Esooa
Val - JOAT (cop, jailkeep, ???). @Val, please full claim your role. I don't know what other shots you might have. N1: Cop on me, no result. N2: Jailkeep megazumarill

Assume Val + STD town, then mega would have to be able to roleblock and kill in the same night, and have roleblocked val both nights or roleblocked night one but is a strongman.

Assume Val + Mega town, then Val was roleblocked both nights by a scum STD and STD is able to kill and roleblock at the same time.

Assume mega + STD town, then Val is just lying.

All are possible so any argument for someone being town/not based on mech are now completely irrelevant I will be playing based on reads.

[Dwlee99]

Ignore the part about full claim, it was there in the draft before I asked.

[Dwlee99]

Maybe you can argue things like "why did scum roleblock val?" but then you also encounter "why does scum!val lie about it?"

Mega: was there a particular reason you thought val should claim first? Did you suspect they were a PR?

[MegAzumarill]

I was trying to assess the possibility of you being a Ninja.