Grand Idea Greatest Hits [PAGES 5-7/400]

[TemporalLich]

I will point out that the Martyr is not the Peaceful Archon - the former only works for an elimination

[TemporalLich]

I still think the IC dayvig is a better role, as the Martyr is mostly useful as some weird multiball safety net

[Not Known 15]

That we might occasionally stumble upon a page with the best role being vanilla is nothing bad or surprising. Without vanilla, Vanilla Cops have no use, for example.
The Condemner is a bit too powerful if the flip is not revealed and there is another treestump in the list. If not, then we have the "role that doesn't want to post" problem that is enjoyable for exactly no one. We want to get good roles, not unfun roles.
If we compare the short-lived excitement about being able to kill someone at day without being suspected, and doing it, against the possible regrets and the definitely unfun part of being removed Day 1 possibly extremely early... then the IC 1-shot dayvig becomes a net unfun role.

[TemporalLich]

Page 1 read list:

VT - useful choice ironically
Goon - boring
Survivor CompBG - should not exist
Cond Treestump - Very interesting combo, but being a 3P holds it back
Lover - Needs pre-planning to work
Confused - Annoying, provable randomness
RNG Cop - not well designed for what is basically a Number Cop Peek
IC Dayvig - Strong town role, dayvig exhibits chaos which is good
Jestdiplo - VETOED, banned combo
Tourist - -ve utility
Maf lover - Needs pre-planning to work
Nympho - change the freaking name
Post 13 - umm, what
Adder - Interesting concept
Double Roler - stronge
Judas - bad
High-Numbers Roleblocker - can we retcon this to beyond 100 in the GIMGH deck? if not then it is a needlessly specific roleblocker
Cop - it's a cop, we can do better than this
Saulus - bad
Maf Visitor - alignment kinda ruins the novelty
BPSK - 3P
Doomed Underdog - literally zero player agency
Martyr - negative feedback

pedit: condemner stump can be an interesting role assuming it flips and still can win when dead

ic dayvig I like because of the dayvig part

[MegAzumarill]

N1 Compulsive Loverizer

[TemporalLich]

N1 Compulsive Loverizer

I mean that works but is that really what you'd want that role to be called in Great Idea Mafia?

[MegAzumarill]

Lovebird?

[TemporalLich]

ok that one's gold, actually gold enough to make it my pick for the elusive page 1 roll for GIMGH

[MegAzumarill]

It's my favorite mechanically because of its positives and negatives with multiple ways to play it. (masonizing with a strong townread, timing yourself to a scummy slot you want dead, trying to target the n1 kill to become a named townie)

[TemporalLich]

lovers inherently get PTs?!

[MegAzumarill]

Not inherently but most do/should.

[Cook]

updating nymphomaniac to become lovebird

[Cook]

Current Contenders

(generally agreed-upon-as-bad roles have been nixed from the list)

• 0.
  Vanilla Townie
  
  
• 1.
  Vanilla Townie
  
  
• 2.
  Mafia Goon
  
  
• 4.
  Condemner Treestump
  (Target chosen randomly. May treestump self at any point during Day.)
  
• 5.
  Town Lover
  
  
• 7.
  Mafia 1-Shot RNG Cop
  (may learn the post number of a random player, alive or dead, in the game)
  
• 8.
  Town Innocent Child 1-Shot Dayvig
  (revealed as town at the start of the game.)
  
• 11.
  Mafia Lover
  
  
• 12.
  Town Lovebird
  (Compulsively Loverizes themselves with a player of choice on Night 1. Joins the polycule if their lover already is one.)
  
• 14.
  Mafia Adder
  (Gets a Mafia equivalent of the average of two choice player's post #s.)
  
• 15.
  Double Roler
  (rerolls twice, becoming a Combined version of both roles, keeping the second alignment. PR overrides Vanilla.)
  
• 16.
  Town Judas
  
  
• 17.
  Town High-Numbers Roleblocker
  (Roleblock only functions on roles with post # above 100. imagine thinking 100 was high)
  
• 18.
  Town Cop
  (in the literal sense, finds Mafia)
  
• 19.
  Vanilla Townie
  (has the extra note of "You're boring")
  
• 21.
  Mafia Visitor
  
  
• 22.
  Bulletproof Serial Killer
  
  
• 24.
  Town Martyr
  (No kills can happen the night after their death)

[Cook]

to put a little bit of order to this, i'm gonna post each page at a time, let some discussion happen, then take that discussion to nix some agreed-to-be-bad roles off the list and then just use a quick and dirty approval vote to pick the card

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: VT
VOTE: Treestump
VOTE: IC Dayvig
VOTE: Lovebird
VOTE: Adder (iff it uses GIMGH numbers)
VOTE: High-Numbers Roleblocker (iff it uses GIMGH numbers)

[Cook]

will also going forward remove duplicates since There Can Only Be One

[TemporalLich]

can we have these clauses to prevent GIMGH from having external pulls?

Number Clause - Anything referring to Grand Idea post number instead refers to Grand Idea Greatest Hits card number.
External Pull Clause - Any role that refers to an external list of roles is vetoed.
Consistency Clause - Any role that refers to the Grand Idea thread instead refers to the Grand Idea Greatest Hits deck.

(note that Adder and High-Numbers Roleblocker would be affected by the Number Clause, don't count my votes on those roles if the Number Clause doesn't apply and you can get non GIMGH roles with the Adder)

[Farren]

VOTE: Vanilla Townie (not the boring variety)
VOTE: Mafia Goon
VOTE: IC Dayvig
VOTE: Bulletproof SK

[TemporalLich]

another clause:

Mod Discretion Clause - Anything that involves mod discretion, including roles with missing alignment, is instead picked by someone/Cook/whoever runs the thread.

this one is controversial so I'd want this clause to be discussed

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Lovebird
Vanilla Townie
Condemner Treestump
Mafia Adder

[Not Known 15]

VOTE: Vanilla Townie(the first one)
VOTE: Mafia Goon

[Cook]

VOTE: Vanilla Townie (boring)
VOTE: Vanilla Townie (post 0)
VOTE: Condemner Treestump
VOTE: Mafia Adder
VOTE: Bulletproof Serial Killer

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: VT (post 0)
VOTE: Antivote VT (non post 0)

[TemporalLich]

seems like post 0 VT is unanimous

btw voting is approval voting here, vote for the roles you'd be happy seeing in GIMGH

[Jake The Wolfie]

I would not like to see a generic VT in GRIM (Grand Revised Idea Mafia)