Micro 1046: SUCUBUS Mafia - Game Thread - Game Over

[Dwlee99]

nearly every semblance of balance never crossed my mind. in fact i was moreso thinking how fucking broken the setup could be and scum having an infinite vig possible definitely hits that list.

But how would you know that scum had an infinite vig before imaginality's flip? lol

[DkKoba]

that is a non argument because i did not have the vig at the time i speculated it might be multiball. if i rand a fucking role that says blue mafia im not fucking saying "haha might be multiball "

masochist mafia i replaced into a scum slot that had a name that *heavily* suggested multiball.
I intentionally tried to pretend like I didnt know it was possibly multiball despite a flipped scum *because* I wanted to be read as town

nice try tho

[Dwlee99]

So you're telling me

This dude had an infinity shot vigilante

And didn't immediately try to pop everyone?

Eesh, 7 to lim?
Screw that for a lark.

This should* do it:

Kill: frogsterking
Kill: DkKoba
Kill: Dwlee99
Kill: Datisi
Kill: MegAzumarill
Kill: PookyTheMagicalBear
Kill: VP Baltar
Kill: Lukewarm

*probably not**

**but remembering another game I was in, it's worth a shot***

***or eight

Oh nevermind LOL

I like how the role says you can post it but not what'll happen. That's funny

This is like ultra townslip not imaginality's partner here

Like could I fake it if I really thought about it? Yea, if I thought that I would get to this situation and was putting actual thought into the game instead of it being literal total meme, maybe. But actual reaction was seeing an infinite dayvig flip and being like wtf why aren't we all dead, cause I completely missed imaginality even doing that cause I wasn't paying attention at all which I think I'd be more aware of if I was in a chat with imaginality where he is going "yea I'm gonna use my infinite dayvig lol"

[Dwlee99]

that is a non argument because i did not have the vig at the time i speculated it might be multiball. if i rand a fucking role that says blue mafia im not fucking saying "haha might be multiball "

masochist mafia i replaced into a scum slot that had a name that *heavily* suggested multiball.
I intentionally tried to pretend like I didnt know it was possibly multiball despite a flipped scum *because* I wanted to be read as town

nice try tho

You claimed 0 shot vig wdym you didn't know you were a vig

[DkKoba]

nearly every semblance of balance never crossed my mind. in fact i was moreso thinking how fucking broken the setup could be and scum having an infinite vig possible definitely hits that list.

But how would you know that scum had an infinite vig before imaginality's flip? lol

jesus fucking christ

the latter part of this sentence is thoughts from *after* i started FoSing you

i have consistently thinking this throughout the game and am showing how my thinking was *correct*.

[Dwlee99]

also: Koba keeps repeating that it is "mech" to argue about why I don't explode mega there as scum, but it literally just isn't. That is PLAY. How someone uses mechs is fundamentally play, vs mechs as "oh setup shouldn't have this role" or blabla

[DkKoba]

that is a non argument because i did not have the vig at the time i speculated it might be multiball. if i rand a fucking role that says blue mafia im not fucking saying "haha might be multiball "

masochist mafia i replaced into a scum slot that had a name that *heavily* suggested multiball.
I intentionally tried to pretend like I didnt know it was possibly multiball despite a flipped scum *because* I wanted to be read as town

nice try tho

You claimed 0 shot vig wdym you didn't know you were a vig

"wdym you had a role name in your name that was clearly useless and didnt think you had that role"

[DkKoba]

So you're telling me

This dude had an infinity shot vigilante

And didn't immediately try to pop everyone?

Eesh, 7 to lim?
Screw that for a lark.

This should* do it:

Kill: frogsterking
Kill: DkKoba
Kill: Dwlee99
Kill: Datisi
Kill: MegAzumarill
Kill: PookyTheMagicalBear
Kill: VP Baltar
Kill: Lukewarm

*probably not**

**but remembering another game I was in, it's worth a shot***

***or eight

Oh nevermind LOL

I like how the role says you can post it but not what'll happen. That's funny

This is like ultra townslip not imaginality's partner here

Like could I fake it if I really thought about it? Yea, if I thought that I would get to this situation and was putting actual thought into the game instead of it being literal total meme, maybe. But actual reaction was seeing an infinite dayvig flip and being like wtf why aren't we all dead, cause I completely missed imaginality even doing that cause I wasn't paying attention at all which I think I'd be more aware of if I was in a chat with imaginality where he is going "yea I'm gonna use my infinite dayvig lol"

this is not remotely a townslip or anti associative

[Dwlee99]

I would be speculating "shot recharger" or something like that with a 0 shot vs thinking it was just useless like you're claiming you did

[DkKoba]

cool well i thought it was useless because a) i already had the triple vote(which i immediately claimed and used which is ++++Town for me) and b) it seemed tacked on as a meme c) NOT_MAFIA IS THE DESIGNER OF THE SETUP LMAO


tbh not gonna entertain your non arguments bye

[DkKoba]

the latest attempt to project what you'd do is another reason datisi should see you as scum over me

[Dwlee99]

Didn't lukewarm also claim the triple vote early? Like you're not actually making an argument here you're just saying as much bullshit as possible to overwhelm datisi

[Dwlee99]

the latest attempt to project what you'd do is another reason datisi should see you as scum over me

This is literally the opposite LOL

You didn't react to your claimed role in the way I would as town -> scum-indicative.

[Dwlee99]

This is fucking mafia 101 shit that town/mafia react differently to different pieces of information

[Dwlee99]

Fuck dude why do you have 16 pages in this pokemon game I wanna find where you do this same exact thing to me

[Dwlee99]

Like okay blocking out all of the noise, all the bullshit koba has posted, all the responses I've had to make to aforementioned bullshit, this is extremely simple.

I exploded meg, giving us an extra lim.

Meg wanted to kill Datisi. Koba and Datisi wanted to kill Meg. It was MELO.

So in the world where I'm scum, I exploded THE game-winning mislim. Why would I EVER do that? Like just think about this logically. If I would win by mislimming meg, which I would have as scum, why would I EVER EVER explode her completely unprompted like that? And I know there's the "dwlee totally predicted I could later force them to explode meg and then by doing it in advance now they can claim the towncredit for doing it etc.etc." argument but that's so many steps ahead. Like... I literally don't think I think that far ahead in the, what, 5 minutes it happened in?

[Dwlee99]

I also want to point out that Koba throughout this ELO has been dancing around our meta history with each other, misrepresenting/distorting how things have happened, similarly to how they did in this pokemaf game. (For context, I'm glaceon and they're machop)

Example: Following image

Spoiler:

Which is what they're also doing in these posts:

Ftr koba has a history of pushing me for a mislim and I townread them primarily for y'know not just trying to mislim me immediately but they could be getting more subtle

1 game where I took advantage of people not knowing your meta and just pushed you for vague meta reasons vs where I'm actually not particularly townreading you here over datisi is a much different scenario

And white flag

rofl white flag was literally just letting math lose the game for town

See how despite this literally being a great example of scum!koba pushing me, (they replaced in and then honed in on me), they are extremely dismissive of the meta history cause of something completely irrelevant. Because they are out to discredit me here, not actually 1.) solve or 2.) make good faith arguments.

There are more examples this game:

you are trying to argue I have BoP on you that doesnt exist too which you know doesnt exist.

I have never been in a 3way with you before this.

Why didn't you vote d1

Why are you trying to argue you are town solely through mech

Why am i scum - other than that i think you are scum?

You're saying you don't have bop on me when you think you can call me "solidly in town meta." You literally swap every time we play whether or not I'm this scum mastermind or obvious town. Like you described my play in subreddit upick as obviously town

"I am aware of my town meta so you should know i would never do this as scum!!" - dwlee, probably

For context on this one, Koba looked at subreddit upick (a game I got mislimmed day one) and said I was obviously in town meta. Them claiming that they don't have BoP on me is a complete and total lie.

Then they have this post

continuing to do things like ignore games like scp upick is why i'm settling my vote on you today.

instituting a fake BoP is not towny.

the fact you are trying to make your case against me primarily about how I fos you is just straight up .. not a town thought process to me.

A lot of your progression/logic come off as fake to me.

You have literally like 2 minutes to convince me otherwise if you are town because I am ready to vote.

But what does SCP Upick have to do with ANYTHING? That game is literally just more evidence on MY SIDE that a BoP should exist for koba here. Like they had me pegged as scum until a fake slip of me being town from my partner and hard bussing threw them off. And even in ELO they almost voted me and only didn't because t3 went total lurk mode.

[Dwlee99]

If you have questions for me I'll be around later. Gonna try to at least start this problem set now.

[Dwlee99]

Actually before I go: there are some things that indicates Koba doesn't have 100% BoP on me (ex: squid game misread me as scum, frog mini they had me as scum in dead thread) but there are extenuating circumstances to those two imo. First, the squid game misread on me was only because I essentially left a flipless dance with someone they hard townread (mathblade). They had me as town before that (with some paranoia) and once mathblade and I were both gone they thought I was scum killing mathblade (ironic cause mathblade was scum and I read him correctly to kill him but anyway). The frog game they didn't even really scumread me, they just thought I wasn't particularly townie and they were in the spec thread.

[Dwlee99]

Datisi (2)- DkKoba, Lukewarm

they have a full vote

unless you wanna argue luke has 1.5 of a vote

I started the game as a 0 shot vig and now have 0.5 vote and 0.5 vig

Unless Koba is lying

well either koba is lying or the mod is lying, who you gonna bet your money on?

BTW, what do you make of Meg asking you not to clod them?

i thought nothing of it because "i don't wanna become vanillaized" is whatever

but now that meg's claimed they're vanilla, i am sus of them

Okay I really don't wanna do work so I kept reading.

So this???

Like wasn't Koba just straight-up lying here and got caught ???

[DkKoba]

the fun part about your BoP argument is that i know you're scum now so take that

[DkKoba]

I didn't lie about shit - I was indeed a 0.5 vig and 0.5 treble voter

[Dwlee99]

giving koba a full vig is like giving trump nuclear weapons

Let's hope this game doesn't drag on for four years before we can vote DkKoba out...

@VP the difference between my fake vig and DkKoba's 0.5 vig makes me think one of four things is possible:

A. DkKoba is a lying scumster
- seems a bit early for an essentially unforced random lie, 0.5 vig seems like an oddly specific lie to come up with

B. DkKoba is a towny lying for RVS lols
- doesn't seem like it though given #106, also the above point still applies

C. There's someone else (maybe multiple) who could get 0.5 vig and team up with DkKoba to vig someone
- on which note, can one of you clodpole whallop me? It might turn my vig powers from apparently fake to real, or at least half real
- yes, I'm also a clodpole

D. The mod put deliberately conflicting vig stuff in to confuse, mislead, amuse and/or antagonise us because nothing in this game is designed to make sense
- this is my leading theory

Also this is a soft-defense of koba

[DkKoba]

i love that you think you had an argument there like I didn't misinterpret something that when I claimed no one else knew what it meant either until further analysis.

[Dwlee99]

I didn't lie about shit - I was indeed a 0.5 vig and 0.5 treble voter

But vote count says otherwise?