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[Radical Rat]

To be clear, I do think you're Town here. I think you're Town doing the exact same thing A50 (along with the rest of us) did with Roden, spotting a supposed scumslip, and pushing it through, except just being wrong about it, and I think tunneling me all Day is bad for the game right now.

[Radical Rat]

And yes, my read on Ircher changed in light of him suddenly 180ing on A50. Happens when players do weirdly scummy things

[Nordom]

UNVOTE: Radical Rat

VOTE: Ircher

[Enchant]

Can you case Ircher? I see where it comes from, but doesh't hurt to repeat.

[Nordom]

To be clear, I do think you're Town here. I think you're Town doing the exact same thing A50 (along with the rest of us) did with Roden, spotting a supposed scumslip, and pushing it through, except just being wrong about it, and I think tunneling me all Day is bad for the game right now.

Love this post. Let's get Ircher's maf ass.

[Nordom]

Can you case Ircher? I see where it comes from, but doesh't hurt to repeat.

No.

[Enchant]

... Okaaaay.

[Nordom]

... Okaaaay.

I mean, do you want me to spoon-feed you the answers here? Why was my post the one you quoted before Radical's, the one you scumread?

[Nordom]

If you're that curious, re-read my posts on Ircher and iso his comments this game.

[Enchant]

... Okaaaay.

I mean, do you want me to spoon-feed you the answers here?

Yes.

... Okaaaay.

Why was my post the one you quoted before Radical's, the one you scumread?

Didn't understand this question.

[Nordom]

UNVOTE: Ircher

VOTE: Radical Rat

Back to square one.

[Enchant]

... Okaaaaay.

[Nordom]

Well-reasoned and non-confrontational. It impressed me because mafia would be the opposite of those things.

The more I looked at it though, the more I disliked it. "To be clear, I do think you're town here". This just smells of trying to pocket a town who's the only real one going after them.

[Nathann]

Roden flipped town? That case on him wasn't a godsend? Who could have seen that coming.

From quickly skimming the game, my first thoughts are (a) why did Ircher abandon the rest of his hero-solve? (b) Greeting is committing a specific scumtell, but it's probably not a lock coming from him.

I'll read in depth at some point in the near future.

[Nathann]

What's your read on Rosen aside from the scum slip? What do you think about his a50 push?

Perhaps a bit pointless answering this

after

they've flipped, but - I didn't think much of his Almost50 push because it felt like a natural thing to do as either alignment. Like I said, the callout/"scumslip" felt very weak to me, and I think the most likely thing for town to do there is start scumreading that push, while the most likely thing for scum to do there is try to overturn the push onto the attacker.

I don't have much on him aside from the "scumslip". I wanna say the emotion and annoyance he showed is town!indicative, but this might be hindsight speaking.

Imo there's no reason to not keep Roden alive to Day 2 and "Then" elim, if mind doesh't change (and it often does). It kinda boosts chances to hit maf if he is real deal.
If mafia shot him, then... well cool? They did job for us.

VOTE: Roden

I am sick of this.

What changed from the first post to the second?

[Nordom]

Roden flipped town? That case on him wasn't a godsend? Who could have seen that coming.

From quickly skimming the game, my first thoughts are (a) why did Ircher abandon the rest of his hero-solve? (b) Greeting is committing a specific scumtell, but it's probably not a lock coming from him.

I'll read in depth at some point in the near future.

And that specific scumtell is...?

[Enchant]

What's your read on Rosen aside from the scum slip? What do you think about his a50 push?

Perhaps a bit pointless answering this

after

they've flipped, but - I didn't think much of his Almost50 push because it felt like a natural thing to do as either alignment. Like I said, the callout/"scumslip" felt very weak to me, and I think the most likely thing for town to do there is start scumreading that push, while the most likely thing for scum to do there is try to overturn the push onto the attacker.

I don't have much on him aside from the "scumslip". I wanna say the emotion and annoyance he showed is town!indicative, but this might be hindsight speaking.

Imo there's no reason to not keep Roden alive to Day 2 and "Then" elim, if mind doesh't change (and it often does). It kinda boosts chances to hit maf if he is real deal.
If mafia shot him, then... well cool? They did job for us.

VOTE: Roden

I am sick of this.

What changed from the first post to the second?

My sanity and inability to go against crowds.
I should have fighted it.

[Nathann]

Sure, calling it out doesn't make Almost50 scum, but he has high scum equity regardless.

It's complicated.

Hopefully I am not the only person extremely dissatisfied with this answer. In addition, what happened to 171?

Reading through 316, I see Radical Rat calling a Vengeful Gunsmith "entirely useless", which, how? That role sounds pretty powerful to me, what did you think a Vengeful Gunsmith does?

I'm not overly impressed with the rest of Nordom's case, though. Even if Radical Rat had confused Vengeful with Supersaint... Like, so what? If they truly were scum trying to say anything they can to get the yeet through, implying Roden's a Supersaint, i.e. kills whoever hammers, is less likely to get it through, not more. Yes, I know Radical Ra's verdict was that Roden's bluffing, but it would still put the thought in people's heads.

[Nathann]

And that specific scumtell is...?

Come on, it's boring if I just lay it out.

[Nordom]

This is just fucking ridiculous. "Like so what?". How about the several posts I made about it to explain it?

[Nathann]

I thought it would be clear that I really did not find them convincing.

[Nordom]

I thought it would be clear that I really did not find them convincing.

By all means share why you don't find it convincing. Don't let me stop you.

[Nathann]

Re 325, I do want to know what Radical Rat was thinking when they made 224, particularly the "Which means the role is now anti-Town" part.

More town on wagon = Higher chance of missing the shot = Anti-Town

Ah. Yeah, that's not how Vengeful works, but sure, fine, checks out.

351 actually makes me think Ircher might be town? I dunno, he's saying what I'm thinking. If he's scum with neither of Nordom/Radical, I don't see why he tries to break this up. If he's scum with Nordom, I don't see why he feels the need to butt in now. I can maybe sorta if-I-squint see the scum motivation if he's scum with Radical, but it still feels unlikelier than him just being town?

I have a feeling Nordom is about to announce that he's solved the game and that the solve is me/Ircher/Radical.

@Nordom, I explained why I don't find it convincing. Implying they might be a Supersaint is less likely to get people to hammer, not more likely.

The crappy part about this whole thing, though, is that now that I'm reading 354, I vibe with it... Until the last part. How did you conclude from that that it's likely a fakeclaim?

[Nordom]

EXPLAINED WHERE?

[Nathann]

I'm not overly impressed with the rest of Nordom's case, though. Even if Radical Rat had confused Vengeful with Supersaint... Like, so what? If they truly were scum trying to say anything they can to get the yeet through, implying Roden's a Supersaint, i.e. kills whoever hammers, is less likely to get it through, not more. Yes, I know Radical Ra's verdict was that Roden's bluffing, but it would still put the thought in people's heads.

Literally right after the "so what?", which you called out earlier...

While I was reading the game, I felt how Galron's being lazy by saying something along the lines of "I don't get Nordom's case, but he's probably town for laying it out" or something, but now I'm tempted to just lazy-townread Nordom for the sheer amount of... Power of will, I guess. And the turnaround on Radical in some 15 minutes. Doesn't feel like something the majority of scum here would even bother to fake.