Mini Theme 2264: Fusion Upick | Post Game

[Nathann]

VOTE: Greeting

I wanna try this, I liked CSF's points here. And the ~secret scumtell~ I've seen. I also have some other ideas that I wanna sit on for a while to see how they unfold.

[Nordom]

I love the fact that I ask a simple question: "What do you not like about my case." and I get just a bunch of swerving around. Are my questions just too strenuous that it requires players to write novellas about them, so they can't be bothered to do so?

[Nathann]

How is "if scum!Radical Rat was projecting the fact that Roden claimed Supersaint, that would make Roden

less

likely to get hammered, and not

more

, therefore I don't think that shows a 'must push yeet through' scummy motivation from Radical" swerving around?

To touch on 356, no, Radical's acting around the Roden wagon isn't

great

, but I don't think anyone's is, and that's you very much included. Besides, I said that the fact they called a "Vengeful Gunsmith" useless is a good find, not like I was trashing any and all of your case.

[Nordom]

How is "if scum!Radical Rat was projecting the fact that Roden claimed Supersaint, that would make Roden

less

likely to get hammered, and not

more

, therefore I don't think that shows a 'must push yeet through' scummy motivation from Radical" swerving around?

To touch on 356, no, Radical's acting around the Roden wagon isn't

great

, but I don't think anyone's is, and that's you very much included. Besides, I said that the fact they called a "Vengeful Gunsmith" useless is a good find, not like I was trashing any and all of your case.

What a complete non-sense post. Is it that difficult to read my posts? Am I in la-la land?

[Flea The Magician]

I a still recovering from weekend.

Enchant, did you believe was that red or did you just lolhammer?

[Enchant]

I a still recovering from weekend.

Enchant, did you believe was that red or did you just lolhammer?

I had some paranoid tantrum and hammered, because i believed vengekill (or atleast check) will be worthy to try.

I am not happy with how it ended up.

[Nordom]

I a still recovering from weekend.

Enchant, did you believe was that red or did you just lolhammer?

I had some paranoid tantrum and hammered, because i believed vengekill (or atleast check) will be worthy to try.

I am not happy with how it ended up.

Do you want to start playing this game or nah, Flea?

[Nordom]

I a still recovering from weekend.

Enchant, did you believe was that red or did you just lolhammer?

If you're recovering, then I apologise. Can you re-read the game and give us some spicy thoughts now that you're healthy?

[Nordom]

das rite, mang. gimmie that goon status.

[Radical Rat]

The crappy part about this whole thing, though, is that now that I'm reading 354, I vibe with it... Until the last part. How did you conclude from that that it's likely a fakeclaim?

Because it doesn't sense to claim Vengeful if true, because doing so effectively nerfs your own role.

[Nordom]

How is "if scum!Radical Rat was projecting the fact that Roden claimed Supersaint, that would make Roden

less

likely to get hammered, and not

more

, therefore I don't think that shows a 'must push yeet through' scummy motivation from Radical" swerving around?

To touch on 356, no, Radical's acting around the Roden wagon isn't

great

, but I don't think anyone's is, and that's you very much included. Besides, I said that the fact they called a "Vengeful Gunsmith" useless is a good find, not like I was trashing any and all of your case.

I've already pointed this out. Why is my argument being completely gang raped with lazy and flimsy logic?

[Nathann]

Radical, what did you originally think a Vengeful Gunsmith does that you thought it was useless?

[Radical Rat]

Radical, what did you originally think a Vengeful Gunsmith does that you thought it was useless?

Normal Venge targeting, but investigating instead of killing. Useless because Roden couldn't share the results if they were dead

[Greeting]

Time to analyse the results of Day 1.

Day 1 Final Vote Count

Roden (7) Toogeloo, Cat Scratch Fever, Ircher,

Greeting

, Radical Rat, Almost50, Enchant <------- [Hammer]

Almost50 (1)

Roden

Nordom (1) Flea the Magician

Toogeloo (1) Nathann

Enchant (1) Galron

Not Voting: (2)

Andante

, Nordom

I’m going to re-do the analysis that I did in one of the past games and what actually resulted in me going after a scum last time. It bases on the assumption that the mafia team will spread their votes amongst the vote tally, having mostly town hammer an innocent townie. The rules state that there are three scums in the setup so that is certain.

This means that there is probably 1-2 scum in this pool: (

Toogeloo, Cat Scratch Fever, Ircher, Radical Rat, Almost50, Enchant

)...

...and probably 1-2 scum in this pool: (

Flea the Magician, Nathann, Galron, Nordom

). I think it's probably easier to focus on the smaller pool of players first to find the (most likely) one scum hiding there.

I have a soft townlean on

Nordom

and I believe

Nathann

's claim. Neither of these reads is very strong though.

The latest posts showed consistency in

Nordom

's erratic behavior and a game-solving attitude so I have reasons to uphold my read from 172.

Nathann

is clearly thinking he had some eureka moment about me, but I won't comment on it unless he decides to share it with everyone. Though, in post 425 he is referring to

Cat Scratch Fever

's (I think) 170 who was unimpressed with the unoriginality of my read on

Roden

. Yeah, I went with the wagon, but because I agreed with the arguments presented. Sadly, I wasn't around past

Roden

's claim which would have made me withdraw. Notably though

Cat Scratch Fever

did not decide to pressure me, but

Nathann

did. Scum have, in my opinion, few reasons to pick this battle with easier potential miselims laying around. So that leaves

Nathann

out of my pool of suspicion for now.

So we have

Galron

and

Flea the Magician

left.

[Greeting]

Galron

I know

Galron

's scum game from Open 838. In that game he went for pocketing me and Scorpious, while refusing to commit to a serious vote for a long time, instead sticking to his RVS vote. His reads were rather waffly on purpose, he attempted to present a gamesolving attitude, but his actions were not aimed at making an impact on the game in any way.

I feel like his tone in this game is different. His gamesolving attitude can be seen by inquiring into the fusions, which are confusing to all, but thing is - scums have no reason to do that, especially in Day 1. Like, 136 would have to be manufactured if

Galron

were scum and I don't think it was. Town has more reasons to understand the game setup well and to use the game thread for it than scum, I feel.

The rest is pretty much null. The

Ircher

push is null, because I think he's like that in every game and gets scumread for it. But that doesn't mean it cannot be a valid reason for

Ircher

to be scumread. This can come from both a town or scum point of view.

Or

Galron

really upped his scumgame and I'm not seeing it.

Flea the Magician

This... is null.

I've looked through Days 1 of

Flea the Magician

's latest scumgame which was Mini Theme 2259 and one of fae's latest town games I found was Mini Theme 2263. She seems to be more waffly in MT 2259, posting a lot of meaningless posts, and same, but including some game moving content in MT 2263.

While looking at her ISO I found this in her very first post:

Those familiar with me can expect less of my usual crap.

Indeed, fae seems less vibrant and lively, but both from fae's town and scum games. I don't see that much a game solving attitude as I do with

Galron

though. It's more of dropping questions and answers to make it seem like fae is doing something without really committing to anything.

Let's do some pressing.

VOTE: Flea the Magician, what's good?

[Enchant]

This means that there is probably 1-2 scum in this pool: (

Toogeloo, Cat Scratch Fever, Ircher, Radical Rat, Almost50, Enchant

)...

...and probably 1-2 scum in this pool: (

Flea the Magician, Nathann, Galron, Nordom

). I think it's probably easier to focus on the smaller pool of players first to find the (most likely) one scum hiding there.

The fuck

How it even works.

[Greeting]

This means that there is probably 1-2 scum in this pool: (

Toogeloo, Cat Scratch Fever, Ircher, Radical Rat, Almost50, Enchant

)...

...and probably 1-2 scum in this pool: (

Flea the Magician, Nathann, Galron, Nordom

). I think it's probably easier to focus on the smaller pool of players first to find the (most likely) one scum hiding there.

The fuck

How it even works.

It is in mafia's interest to not jump all on one town wagon to not overly implicate themselves in the miselimination of a townie, and in this case that's

Roden

. It is also rather difficult to get all of town to miseliminate a townie and happens quite rarely in my personal experience. They also may not want to generally leave hard clues as to their goals in the votes by spreading them, which paradoxically leads me to drawing conclusions from this type of thinking. Kind of, a reverse psychology thing. Theoretically it might not have happened though. But I believe that is what happened, and it usually is what happens.

Nonetheless, this is logic coming from an assumption - if you disagree with the assumption then the logic is going to make no sense to you. This reasoning has helped me before so I'm reusing it.

[Enchant]

Okay, thanks.

Second pool is really tricky.
One of them probably flips as "The fuck i know" alignment (Nathann).
Galron voted me to help.
There's reason for me to townread Nordom.

Uh we stopped at Flea i quess...

[Almost50]

Please do not use the L word.

Why are yoiu being so negative about LOVE??

[Almost50]

At first I thougt enchant was claiming a guilty on someone, but I reread and found that I was reading something and registering it as a totally different thing

[Enchant]

At first I thougt enchant was claiming a guilty on someone, but I reread and found that I was reading something and registering it as a totally different thing

Can i just ask what you misread as guilty?

[Almost50]

VOTE: Enchant

Just to keep their role active. I AM NOT PROMOTING A WAGON ON ENCHANT NOR DO I SCUM RED THEM

[Almost50]

At first I thougt enchant was claiming a guilty on someone, but I reread and found that I was reading something and registering it as a totally different thing

Can i just ask what you misread as guilty?

"Someone now has a gun" translated into "I checjed someone and they have a gun" in my mind. Then you said there's only one kill and again I thought that meant you think your target is Mafia because you think there is no Vig since there was no 2nd kill.

[Enchant]

Understood.

Also thanks for busting, i appreciate it.

[Nathann]

Nothing I've seen from Greeting makes me want to unvote him.

Greeting's posts objectively feel like what I've seen from town!him in the game he mentioned (Open 838, I played in it too), but they also feel like a strange copy. The shape is there, the content feels off.

He's making general claims about how scum would usually position themselves around an EoD wagon, but it's not actually being

applied

to this game. He's focusing on the people off-wagon because that pool is

smaller

, not because something about the game made him think it's more likely scum was off-wagon. And this is kind of especially concerning to me when the wagon that resulted in the misyeet was so icky.

Also, his Galron read is making me question whether we're reading the same game. In what universe is Galron questioning how fusions work actually solving or influencing the game? Why would scum have no reason to question fusions? Where is he showing an impact on this game? Like, to me he doesn't read very different from that Open, so the final verdict of "he's town or upped his scumgame" is not something I'm seeing. Feels kind of like a TMI read.

The Flea read is whatever, the only part that amuses me though is once again implying that Galron has like,

done something

this game.

And because nobody wants to play the guessing game with me - Greeting was the only one to comment on the nightkill and what it could mean. I find that's usually something that comes from scum, since they're the ones that had just spent the night planning the nightkill after all.