Changes to Normal Games (update September 2022)

[Datisi]

ok hear me out

Echolocator

[Datisi]

How about
Survivalist - role which contains this modifier will fail, if the caster dies while using it

what happens if a survivalist jailkeeper targets the mafioso who is attempting to kill the said survivalist jailkeeper

[Datisi]

If there are two Backup Trackers, does one dying activate the other one (since a Backup Tracker is a Tracker with a modifier)?

i asked a similar question in one review for a completed normal (only with mafia backup ascetics instead), and i believe the answer is no.

[Datisi]

I believe the answer is yes.
Backup is a modifier. The backup tracker is still a tracker.

okay, but consider this:

Spoiler:

so if i had three mafia backup ascetics, and one of them died, the other two would become full ascetics, right?

my answer to that i think would be no, because a backup ascetic would only active when an ascetic died, not when a backup ascetic died.

again, this is just my interpretation (cough cough

@implo

), but i'm decently sure that this is how it works?

Pretty sure you got it right.

I believe nsg/mastina are right. I think "backup" is sort of a special exception in a sense that a "backup cop" isn't actually a cop yet. Similar to "enabler" which while technically a cop enabler is a modifier applied to a cop, it's not really a cop.

[Datisi]

This always seemed to be pretty reasonable to me. 10 days on the other hand…with how much lurking and replacing happens especially in Newbie games… it seems very short to me and seems like scum can lurk through an entire daytime with only a handful of posts for people to go on.

town winrates in newbies actually increased when the deadline got shortened, iirc

[Datisi]

"night 1, 2" is much simpler than a deactivation mechanic, and it's already normal.

[Datisi]

Another example would be Datisi's large themes.
(If my memory isn't messed up.)

pretty much, yeah. other than an occasional doublevoter or "if you target a hood you join the hood" role, my large themes are mostly just Spicy Normals, role-wise.

I'd like to see a Large Normal with individual players earning $$$ each Night to buy actions or information, but I don't want to make a whole honking complicated Themed game

oh hey this premise kinda sounds like my theme games.


while i love all kinds of spectrums, i don't think shoving a 3rd category in here would be helpful. the kinds of games that can be run in the theme queue are *already* a spectrum. like, if you want to run this game, you don't have to make it "more complicated" to have it run in the theme queue. look at fakegod's theme games, those are usually much simpler than your average normal.

like... what's with this aversion to modding a theme game? you don't have to make is super complicated.