In post 3290, Nero Cain wrote:you could have like kept your vote there instead of throwing your vote around to try to mimic how you think town plays.In post 3281, Datisi wrote:btw can we kill enchant pls he's like blatantly scum who's coasting on a bullshit vig claim
LOLIn post 3343, Nero Cain wrote:b/c its whats town is supposed to do, duh?
You've said so.In post 3448, Nero Cain wrote:yeah it's a very lvl 1 thought process
I don't believe scum claim vig on day one just for the lolz. It's a very risky play that could be CC'd or result in them getting shot by the real vig or them getting yeeted soon enough when there is no other kill at night. It just doesn't make sense to me that fua was scum and claimed that unpromptedIn post 3373, VP Baltar wrote:Why the enchant hard town read?
When Malcolm was patiently explaining to you why the meta read doesn't make sense and you didn't bother to fake any kind of recognition or reactionIn post 3451, VP Baltar wrote:Lol OK yeah, I'm sure.In post 3449, Frogsterking wrote:before I tipped you off.
When did you start scum reading me?
it wasn't really unprompted, they were the leading wagon and were gaining votes, and had 6 on them at the timeIn post 3453, Eyes without a face wrote:I don't believe scum claim vig on day one just for the lolz. It's a very risky play that could be CC'd or result in them getting shot by the real vig or them getting yeeted soon enough when there is no other kill at night. It just doesn't make sense to me that fua was scum and claimed that unpromptedIn post 3373, VP Baltar wrote:Why the enchant hard town read?
If VP flips scum today is there any reason Nero, Cape, you, me and luminary can't form a town core?In post 3455, fireisredsir wrote:it wasn't really unprompted, they were the leading wagon and were gaining votes, and had 6 on them at the timeIn post 3453, Eyes without a face wrote:I don't believe scum claim vig on day one just for the lolz. It's a very risky play that could be CC'd or result in them getting shot by the real vig or them getting yeeted soon enough when there is no other kill at night. It just doesn't make sense to me that fua was scum and claimed that unpromptedIn post 3373, VP Baltar wrote:Why the enchant hard town read?
They type in English so I read them left to right. lolIn post 3456, Frogsterking wrote:Eyes how are you townreading VP and Dragons?
Yes I think this is a good unvote I think luminary is town and more likely to receive negative attention than other players for non-AI reasons. I believe it's the best explanation.In post 3458, DeasVail wrote:I think I have gotten myself into a tunnel and after a reassessment I am no longer sure of this read.
UNVOTE: Tenebro
Reading through tenebro’ Iso again, I am more inclined to think that the dismissive nature is an unhelpful way of communicating, but I don’t actually think it lines up with the scum-tenebro image that I had created for myself. If I thought that tenebro was scum trying to blend in and appease, then their approach to suspicion in fact does the opposite.
I am happy to discuss with anyone regarding this, and would particularly be interested if anyone thinks I am making a mistake in backing off this, but I think it’s more likely that tenebro-scum was a world I wanted to be true rather than one that actually is true.
In post 3460, Eyes without a face wrote:They type in English so I read them left to right. lolIn post 3456, Frogsterking wrote:Eyes how are you townreading VP and Dragons?
But really .. I already explained the VP read twice and nothing has changed. VP gave me no reason to reconsider my read there. Dragon is.. let's call it an inexplicable read for now.
Not had a chance to catch up tonight, but based on these will do so in the morning and evaluate where I am on tenebros. Been pretty keen at times on it as a mafia slot and I don't think tenebros has played a particularly townie game, but did have a stint during turn one where I doubted my read so that could be telling me something.In post 3461, Frogsterking wrote:Yes I think this is a good unvote I think luminary is town and more likely to receive negative attention than other players for non-AI reasons. I believe it's the best explanation.In post 3458, DeasVail wrote:I think I have gotten myself into a tunnel and after a reassessment I am no longer sure of this read.
UNVOTE: Tenebro
Reading through tenebro’ Iso again, I am more inclined to think that the dismissive nature is an unhelpful way of communicating, but I don’t actually think it lines up with the scum-tenebro image that I had created for myself. If I thought that tenebro was scum trying to blend in and appease, then their approach to suspicion in fact does the opposite.
I am happy to discuss with anyone regarding this, and would particularly be interested if anyone thinks I am making a mistake in backing off this, but I think it’s more likely that tenebro-scum was a world I wanted to be true rather than one that actually is true.
I stand by my points on your meta read, but as someone who suspects VP I don't think their response was particularly terrible, there are some subtle differences in play there even if the overall style is similar.In post 3454, Frogsterking wrote:When Malcolm was patiently explaining to you why the meta read doesn't make sense and you didn't bother to fake any kind of recognition or reactionIn post 3451, VP Baltar wrote:Lol OK yeah, I'm sure.In post 3449, Frogsterking wrote:before I tipped you off.
When did you start scum reading me?
his case is political, pushing faults in a town play rather than looking for scum. comes across well to most townies, and if you look at frogster, he even pushed them expecting it to be a TvT in the form of TeneScum being questioned instead of any MalcolmScum.In post 3159, Nero Cain wrote:poe town. I've been just sorta nodding along with his posting. Not really in love with your case. Why is he the worst Tene voter?
What? I your iso in the game he linked and explained why that is not the same as your play here.In post 3454, Frogsterking wrote:When Malcolm was patiently explaining to you why the meta read doesn't make sense and you didn't bother to fake any kind of recognition or reactionIn post 3451, VP Baltar wrote:Lol OK yeah, I'm sure.In post 3449, Frogsterking wrote:before I tipped you off.
When did you start scum reading me?
In post 3173, MathBlade wrote:If scum he can bus which increases his standing but loses a buddy
I've done a lot more than this, this is just what I want people to see me doing on the surface.In post 3188, Nero Cain wrote:April pushed Malcolm and that's all he/she has done today.
I liked the way they were posting around that one time they referenced me. Seems awkward if they were scum to do it the way they did, so it just seemed genuine townie to me.In post 3196, VP Baltar wrote:April, why are you TR Cape again?
yea ive been starting to feel this way as well. i wanted to keep the tene wagon leading to see if anyone would try to push it in, but eh might as well switch now. eyes is p much as good as voting there, with a townread on VP and a scumread on tene.In post 3458, DeasVail wrote:I think I have gotten myself into a tunnel and after a reassessment I am no longer sure of this read.
UNVOTE: Tenebro
Reading through tenebro’ Iso again, I am more inclined to think that the dismissive nature is an unhelpful way of communicating, but I don’t actually think it lines up with the scum-tenebro image that I had created for myself. If I thought that tenebro was scum trying to blend in and appease, then their approach to suspicion in fact does the opposite.
I am happy to discuss with anyone regarding this, and would particularly be interested if anyone thinks I am making a mistake in backing off this, but I think it’s more likely that tenebro-scum was a world I wanted to be true rather than one that actually is true.
This is actually a reason I'm scum reading Malcolm.In post 3222, Yeet wrote:Should I be townreading you, Malcolm? I noticed quite a few others think you are townie however it is hard for me to read you as such. I can’t find any reasons to scumread you either, you’re just very null all around to me.
In post 3249, VP Baltar wrote:I still want to yeet the fuck out of cape, but that was going nowhere. People are willing to give him a pass today even though he is doing nothing and had a very questionable hammer yesterday, as I've explained.In post 3246, fireisredsir wrote:is this your strongest scumread at the moment? what other scumreads do you have?In post 3241, VP Baltar wrote: but I think what I'm picking up on here is real.
If I was going to compromise on something, I might be willing to back a tenebros wagon, but I go back and forth there.
nothing prevents Cape from hammering as scum, true and scum do QH to end the day and stop discussion but it was p 98 and the day was just dragging on. Wu was the defacto elimination at that point. I'm also sorta buying into the "I didn't know I was hammering" thing.In post 3452, Frogsterking wrote:You've said so.
I'm probably biased against VP's point and think it's worse than it is. I think VP's meta push against me is evidence of VP's alignment in a circumstantial way because of how helpful it is for scum. I can alternatively see it as being motivated by Townie Paranoia and I was hoping VP would react in some way I could rule them out as scum instead. Unfortunately I don't see any signs of uncertainty in the way VP has dealt with other viewpoints on my slot and I don't feel like VP is genuinely trying to sort my slot.In post 3464, MalcolmTucker wrote:I stand by my points on your meta read, but as someone who suspects VP I don't think their response was particularly terrible, there are some subtle differences in play there even if the overall style is similar.In post 3454, Frogsterking wrote:When Malcolm was patiently explaining to you why the meta read doesn't make sense and you didn't bother to fake any kind of recognition or reactionIn post 3451, VP Baltar wrote:Lol OK yeah, I'm sure.In post 3449, Frogsterking wrote:before I tipped you off.
When did you start scum reading me?