Grand Idea Greatest Hits [PAGES 5-7/400]

[Cook]

Eventually I’ll do something with this.

We’re going to go through the first 10,000 Grand Idea roles, page-by-page, and pick the best one for each page through debates and democracy. Once those roles are collected together, that will make a brand new deck of only “Good” Grand Idea roles.

the democratic process

Someone/me/whoever runs the thread posts the next sequential page of the GIdea thread and discussions ensue for a bit.

Someone/me/whoever runs the thread then reposts that page but with "bad", "vetoed", or otherwise unacceptable roles removed. Anyone may then vote on their favorites. We'll use approval voting (indicate any number of roles you like) and the highest vote getter gets put in. Rinse, repeat.

clauses which are exceptions to the above rules

1. External Pull rolecards (which require pulls from other decks) are automatically vetoed. This is a self-contained deck.
2. Anything that refers to Grand Idea when it is put into this deck instead is changed to refer to Grand Idea Greatest Hits.

The Deck So Far

#0

Vanilla Townie

#38

Town Dolphin

#68

Town Medium

#85

Mafia Babysitter

[Cook]

oh dear i didn't mean to make it a /in thing

you don't have to /in to this, that was my setup for the role selection

[Cook]

One per page. if some roles don't function without another on the same page, then i'm willing to make exceptions.

[Cook]

Alright, let's start with the

Page One

roles (i will update formatting/terminology and color with modern standards):

• Vanilla Townie
  
  
• Vanilla Townie
  
  
• Mafia Goon
  
  
• Survivor Compulsive Bodyguard
  
  
• Condemner Treestump
  (Target chosen randomly. May treestump self at any point during Day.)
  
• Town Lover
  
  
• Confused Townie
  (roll d2 with every vote, on a 2, vote is counted as a self-vote)
  
• Mafia 1-Shot RNG Cop
  (may learn the post number of a random player, alive or dead, in the game)
  
• Town Innocent Child 1-Shot Dayvig
  (revealed as town at the start of the game.)
  
• Jester Diplomat
  
  
• Town Tourist
  (Compulsive Visitor)
  
• Mafia Lover
  
  
• Town Lovebird
  (Compulsively Loverizes themselves with a player of choice on Night 1. Joins the polycule if their lover already is one.)
  
• Post 13, So Jump To The Last Number
  (Role is the last number in the deck.)
  
• Mafia Adder
  (Gets a Mafia equivalent of the average of two choice player's post #s.)
  
• Double Roler
  (rerolls twice, becoming a Combined version of both roles, keeping the second alignment. PR overrides Vanilla.)
  
• Town Judas
  
  
• Town High-Numbers Roleblocker
  (Roleblock only functions on roles with post # above 100. imagine thinking 100 was high)
  
• Town Cop
  (in the literal sense, finds Mafia)
  
• Vanilla Townie
  (has the extra note of "You're boring")
  
• Mafia Saulus
  
  
• Mafia Visitor
  
  
• Bulletproof Serial Killer
  
  
• Doomed Underdog
  (Survivor that unstoppably dies N1. Switches alignment to match the first player to die.)
  
• Town Martyr
  (No kills can happen the night after their death)

[Cook]

Either 19 (Vanilla Townie "You're Boring"), 7 (Mafia 1-Shot RNG Cop), or 3 (Condemner Treestump) are my picks.

[Cook]

updating nymphomaniac to become lovebird

[Cook]

Current Contenders

(generally agreed-upon-as-bad roles have been nixed from the list)

• 0.
  Vanilla Townie
  
  
• 1.
  Vanilla Townie
  
  
• 2.
  Mafia Goon
  
  
• 4.
  Condemner Treestump
  (Target chosen randomly. May treestump self at any point during Day.)
  
• 5.
  Town Lover
  
  
• 7.
  Mafia 1-Shot RNG Cop
  (may learn the post number of a random player, alive or dead, in the game)
  
• 8.
  Town Innocent Child 1-Shot Dayvig
  (revealed as town at the start of the game.)
  
• 11.
  Mafia Lover
  
  
• 12.
  Town Lovebird
  (Compulsively Loverizes themselves with a player of choice on Night 1. Joins the polycule if their lover already is one.)
  
• 14.
  Mafia Adder
  (Gets a Mafia equivalent of the average of two choice player's post #s.)
  
• 15.
  Double Roler
  (rerolls twice, becoming a Combined version of both roles, keeping the second alignment. PR overrides Vanilla.)
  
• 16.
  Town Judas
  
  
• 17.
  Town High-Numbers Roleblocker
  (Roleblock only functions on roles with post # above 100. imagine thinking 100 was high)
  
• 18.
  Town Cop
  (in the literal sense, finds Mafia)
  
• 19.
  Vanilla Townie
  (has the extra note of "You're boring")
  
• 21.
  Mafia Visitor
  
  
• 22.
  Bulletproof Serial Killer
  
  
• 24.
  Town Martyr
  (No kills can happen the night after their death)

[Cook]

to put a little bit of order to this, i'm gonna post each page at a time, let some discussion happen, then take that discussion to nix some agreed-to-be-bad roles off the list and then just use a quick and dirty approval vote to pick the card

[Cook]

will also going forward remove duplicates since There Can Only Be One

[Cook]

VOTE: Vanilla Townie (boring)
VOTE: Vanilla Townie (post 0)
VOTE: Condemner Treestump
VOTE: Mafia Adder
VOTE: Bulletproof Serial Killer

[Cook]

theoretically but i think everyone who’s gonna vote did

vc incoming

[Cook]

votecount 1.0

Post 0 VT (6)
Boring VT
Condemner Treestump (3)
IC Dayvig (2)
Town Lovebird (2)
Mafia Adder (3)
Town High-Numbers Roleblocker (2)
Mafia Goon (2)
Bulletproof SK (3)
Town Tourist

I think Post 0 VT wins. Let's move on.

[Cook]

Duplicates have been removed.

Page Two

25.

Mafia Mega Gladiator

(Gladiates this player with every other player in the game.)
29.

Town Craig David

(Suit causes binary investigatives to get Craig David videos instead.)
30.

Town Black Goo

(Visitors converted to Cult.)
31.

Town Yellow Goo

(Visitors converted to Jester and vanillaized.)
32.

Third-Party Compulsive Bodyguard Catherine

(Wins if first dead or survives to final two.)
33.

Town Mason

34.

Town Killjoy

(Visiting role. Converts Jesters to VTs.)
35.

Town Private Investigator

(Finds Cult/Not Cult.)

37.

Town Los Vegas

(Funny, but bastard and involves modkills for non-site-rule-breaking actions. VETO.)
38.

Town Dolphin

(Flips alongside every flip.)
39.

Conformer

(No wincon. Targets someone to gain their alignment.)
40.

Town Megaman

(Dayvig that inherits their target's role on a kill.)
41.

Town 2-Shot Desparado

42.

Mafia Tomato

(Flips as Mafia Ketchup.)
43.

Cult Reviver

(Revives and cults.)
44.

Mafia 1-Shot Reviver

45.

Mafia Stuntman

(Steals the win if Mafia win flawlessly.)
46.

Corkscrew

(Effect. Flips Town to Mafia, and everyone else to Town. Corkscrew joins side with fewer players.)
47.

Town Jack-of-all-Trades 1

(Has Tracker, Weak Hider, and Conspiracy Theorist abilities. Will appear as Alien on the night they use the Conspiracy Theorist shot.)

48.

Town NK-Immune Miller Vigilante

49.

Survivor Role Shuffler

(Target someone to swap roles with them. Due to lack of information about this role, I have assigned it a Survivor wincon.)

[Cook]

going based off of wincons. if it says "wins with the town" i assume they're town unless they're explicitly stated not to be.

if it doesn't have one i'm going based off of best fit. i will leave changes i make in summary, otherwise i have made every effort to preserve the roles as-is.

[Cook]

if only i had the power to actually multitask on that

i'll move through the pages faster though, probably doubling up at some point

[Cook]

what if the role shuffler stole alignment as well, so that it didn't keep the survivor wincon?

[Cook]

will do

[Cook]

gonna make a game of just joats with different powers

[Cook]

suppose it’s also a form of superstar? they’re all kinda related lmao

[Cook]

thought of a way to hypothetically balance a rolecard shuffler-like role

i'm just gonna nix the actual card from the second revision for Scum-To-Town

Vanilla Townie

Welcome! You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win once all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

Affliction

You start this game with an affliction,

Hot Survivor

.

You hold the Hot Potato. This Hot Potato will convert your alignment into a Survivor while you hold it.

At night you will pass the Hot Potato to whoever you were voting for at day end.

While you have the Hot Potato, your win condition is:
You win if you survive to the end of the game, regardless of who else wins.

[Cook]

Hot survivor has interesting late game implications in that you can remove a scum player by vanity wagoning them. Being on wagon with the affliction is kindve just a dick move though.

Not a dick move, since the alignment swap happens in the night, so you don’t survivorize a dead player

[Cook]

on it — gonna post the next two pages afterwards, to speed things up

[Cook]

VOTE: Town Dolphin

[Cook]

PAGE TWO VC

Town Dolphin (5)
Town Megaman (3)
Town 2-Shot Desperado (3)
Mafia Tomato (3)
Conformer (3)
Town Mason
Town NK-Immune Miller Vigilante (2)
Town Jack of All Trades (4)
Catherine

Town Dolphin

has been added to the list.

I will run pages three and four at the same time. Please use VOTE: Tags for P3 and HEAL: Tags for P4 so I can track them easier.

[Cook]

Use VOTE: Tags for these:

PAGE THREE

Serial Killer Bulletproof Miller

Lemon Townie

(Named Townie)

Knowledgeable Townie

(Informed of another Townie.)

Serial Killer Omnicidal Lumberjack

(Treestumps victims. Notes the mod may give this player any immunities they think are necessary.)

Town Compulsive Vengeful Gladiator

Town Scavenger

(Once per day after 72 hours have passed in the day, may daykill someone who's been inactive for 72 hours or more.)

Unjester

(Name standardized)

Town Boundless

(Added Town to this role. Can astrally project to the dead PT and then return at a later date, assuming they're still alive. Cannot post in main thread while in the dead PT.)

Town Medium

(Targets someone at night. If they die that night or the day after, gets a temporary PT with them.)

Mafia Medium

(Targets someone at night. If they die that night or the day after, gets a temporary PT with them.)

Placeholder

(Mod Discretion, Mod Discretion)

Town Jack-of-all-Trades 2

(Must confirm with the name of another player. That player is now this role's Hidden Enabler. Vigilante, FBI Agent, Bus Driver)

Mafia Compulsive Strong-Willed 1-Shot Voodoo Shaman

(Added Mafia to this role and changed name to update a modifier's name. Makes all actions affecting one person affect another person for the rest of the game.)

Mod Discretion Jack-of-all-Trades 2.5

(Daycop, Dayvig, Exploder – Is multitasking.)

Town Prime Number Enthusiast

(Binary investigative that learns if the role is a prime number.)

Mafia Prime Number Enthusiast

(Binary investigative that learns if the role is a prime number.)

Town Leader of the Bland Band

(1-Shot ability to neighborize all players who are "Vanilla Townie" or "Mafia Goon". This is specified to have alltalk.)

Vanilla Townie

Mafia Goon

Mafia Treacherous Usurping Backup-Godfather

(A Traitor who must get the Mafia Godfather killed, and then takes on their role.)

Town Avoider

(Prevents their night target from targeting them. Quits if it targets itself.)

Town Goon

Town Magnetic Bomb

(Targets someone to redirect them into itself.)

Even-Day Jester Odd-Night Bulletproof

Town 1-Shot Paranoid Gun Owner

HEAL: Tags for these:

Town 2-Shot Friendly Neighborizer

Town Super Saint with Nuclear Option

(Takes out the last

three

voters)

Town Jack-of-all-Trades 3

(Bulletproof, Friendly Neighbor, Jailkeeper, All-Purpose Framer {binary investigatives always get a positive for the rest of the game on this person.})

Temporally Inversed Townie

(Changed name to Temporally because . Starts dead. Once targeted by a killing ability, becomes alive.)

Town Innocent Scumhunter

(just read it)

Town Bloodhound

Town Trade of all Jacks

(Has a prescribed use list of its abilities. Uses them reflexively.)

Alien Sympathizer

(Alien if there are other Aliens. VT if there are not.)

Town Babysitter

Town Babysitter

Mafia Babysitter

Werewolf Babysitter

Alien Babysitter

Mod Discretion Babysitter

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

(Wins if its name is first alphabetically and its join date is earlier than September 30, 2014. Explicitly does not leave if it wins early. If not, is a Mafia Goon.)

Amnesiac Random

(rolls as something else. Basically a black box, given the inputs it can put in but not told what it is or what it does.)

Mod Discretion Doomed-Variant

(needs to die before the end of the game AND also achieve its wincon.)

Town Soloist

(Becomes very powerful if it is the last Townie.)

Vanilla Brownie

Godzilla Townie

(doesn't get to post or vote until Day 3. Then becomes a VT.)

Alien Jack-of-all-Trades

(just read it)

Town Mason

Mafia Day 3 Guilty Child

Town Friendly Neighbor

Town Friendly Neighbor

[Cook]

posting VC, doing next two pages shortly.

[Cook]

You people

REALLY

voted. To break ties:
VOTE: Town Medium
HEAL: Mafia Babysitter

page three

Lemon Townie (1)
Placeholder (1)
Town Prime Number Enthusiast (3)
Mafia Prime Number Enthusiast (1)
Leader of the Bland Band (1)
Mafia Medium (5)

Town Medium (6)

Mafia Goon (1)
Unjester (1)
Town 1-Shot PGO (3)
Bulletproof Miller Serial Killer (1)
Knowledgeable Townie (2)
Town Jack-of-all-Trades 2.5 (1)
Town Avoider (3)
Town Goon (1)
Town Boundless (2)
Serial Killer Omnicidal Lumberjack (1)
Town Scavenger (1)
Town Magnetic Bomb (1)
Mafia Goob (1)

page four

Trade of all Jacks (2)
Alien Sympathizer (4)
Alien Babysitter (2)
Vanilla Brownie
Godzilla Townie
Mafia Guilty Child
Town 2-Shot Friendly Neighborizer (2)
Temporally Inversed Townie
Innocent Scumhunter (2)
Amnesiac Random
Town Babysitter (5)

Mafia Babysitter (6)

Alien Babysitter (2)
Werewolf Babysitter (3)
Mod Discretion Babysitter (2)
Alien Jack-of-all-Trades
Town Friendly Neighbor (1)

Town Medium

and

Mafia Babysitter

have been added.

I will be expanding to three pages at a time for now:

VOTE: Page Five UNVOTE: Page Five
HEAL: Page Six HURT: Page Six
HURT WITH A BLADE: Page Seven

UNVOTE: Page Seven

I only require the spoiler to do unvotes but the color would be appreciated.