Open 847 - Trust Fall [Game Over]

[chavela]

this one too

hm, current thoughts on kuriyama?

i thought they were pretty townie

bullying someone to replacement isn't top-tier trust fall scum play

real hard for me to not feel like their entrance didn’t have a predecided outcome

which like sure they said they may be confbiasing,

but it’s also somewhat apparent in what they chose not to comment on

like for the number of posts made it was very very narrow yes? like their steps outside of ‘pav/nor are scums’ were mostly to say all other reads were bad not really things noteworthy about other slots

[the worst]

i thought chav's catchup was a bit boring. i think their reads are changing since then which is more interesting to me. i don't think it's really in scum!their benefit to do a boring catchup then change reads based on who is in the game + vocal + hard to pocket. i think that's probably more likely to come from an innocent approach to the game than one which is motivated by pocketing players to get removed from the game.

i don't really have a rebuttal for your issues with kuri's opening. it wasn't interesting. i don't think i really value being confbiased during catchup as a scumtell, because catching up on games isn't very revealing of alignment imo.

sorry if this wasn't what you were looking for. i have to admit i kinda didn't totally parse that you thought kuri was scum for that.

[the worst]

i thought chav's catchup was a bit boring.

kuri's catchup* sorry

[chavela]

have any of kuriyama’s reads changed beyond you now being town because norwegianboyee replacement though?

[the worst]

not sure yet.

[chavela]

and does that actually make any difference in terms of game actions?

[the worst]

define game actions?

[bugspray]

tunneling someone as scum in this setup is quite bad

being anti town doesn't make you scum and vice versa

[Kuriyama]

ok

[the worst]

tunneling someone as scum in this setup is quite bad

being anti town doesn't make you scum and vice versa

what's your read on kuri, like independently of that?

[chavela]

define game actions?

like in terms of what would happen if you put their reads into actions

there isn’t much difference between you being scum or not until later

only potential benefit for scum kuriyama

as i assume norwee replace didn’t vault you to the top of the town list

[Kuriyama]

the order of my list doesn't really matter to me

[the worst]

define game actions?

like in terms of what would happen if you put their reads into actions

there isn’t much difference between you being scum or not until later

only potential benefit for scum kuriyama

as i assume norwee replace didn’t vault you to the top of the town list

i think kuri was somewhat quick to townread me but i don't think that immediately townreading me on rep-in is like, a particularly sensible or intuitive decision. i think it's kind of reflexive. agreed, it's kind of hard to decisively case someone in this kind of setup.

[Kuriyama]

like if i say i am fine with these 6 people leaving

uh the order they leave in does not really matter to me

[chavela]

and otherwise i haven’t felt this movement you talked about

like there’s push for enchant pairing from kuriyama and ydrasse interaction

but it just feels like, even before read game like, this is how it is going to be

[chavela]

hm

[Kuriyama]

define game actions?

like in terms of what would happen if you put their reads into actions

there isn’t much difference between you being scum or not until later

only potential benefit for scum kuriyama

as i assume norwee replace didn’t vault you to the top of the town list

?

i dont think there is a benefit for scum me to say "these 6 people r probly town and they should leave"

[the worst]

i think my solve improves a lot by finding 2 confident town in [pav, ydra, greeting, bugs, meuh, kuri]. so defs predisposed towards looking for town motivation in there, if that helps.

pedit: i'm definitely willing to admit that a lot of my read is "i don't think this is scum" vs. "i think this is strongly town"

[chavela]

sorry to continue being a pain but could you answer this one too please,

as like the enchant thing has had words put to it but still confused about this

the worst, what was that about wanting to trust kuriyama?

[the worst]

my shoulder devil was like "heyyy duck what if we trusted kuriyama....." but then i decided not to. there's not much more to it than that sorry, just a whim.

[the worst]

not being a pain at all btw, asking questions is what we're here for. this has helped me calibrate how strongly i should be feeling abt kuriyama.

[humaneatingmonkey]

the worst, dont you like me and enchant as a pair

[the worst]

you and enchant are my otp. there's several reasons i talk about making trusts without making trusts.

[chavela]

what do you think no one having made a trust offer since humaneatingmonkey offered me means?

[the worst]

it's quite hard to guess. scum are comfortable with the status quo, or scum feel unable to influence the status quo, or bugspray is scum. fwiw i do think the current core is quite hard to interfere with.