Open 847 - Trust Fall [Game Over]

[Kuriyama]

im kind of thinking about trusting duck to end the game because if duck/me flip t/t then ydra should be clear since she couldve accepted duck and ydra/shiki would end the game

[Meuh]

oh boy

phew

kind of a weird reaction if you think duckie!scum

trust proposals are scary regardless
and idk anymore i've kinda liked duckie's response to my post

[Ydrasse]

maybe the teams something silly like greeting/pav or what have you

[Meuh]

maybe the teams something silly like greeting/pav or what have you

That's definitely not out of the question

[the worst]

I think the team is bugs/pav, probably.

[Meuh]

I think the team is bugs/pav, probably.

No Greeting?

[the worst]

I'm really exhited for chavela to come back and be like "..... what have you all done" but actually be pleased about it

[the worst]

I think the team is bugs/pav, probably.

No Greeting?

Greeting is the most null read I have ever had in the history of null reads, unfortunately. He just... fits in any solve...

[Meuh]

I think the team is bugs/pav, probably.

No Greeting?

Greeting is the most null read I have ever had in the history of null reads, unfortunately. He just... fits in any solve...

Very fair

[Kuriyama]

I'm really exhited for chavela to come back and be like "..... what have you all done" but actually be pleased about it

teeehee such a bad duck

[the worst]

I can kind of see ways to town read greeting tbh? if he's scum then his wincon is finding a pocket and leveraging it to get out of the thread, basically. if he's town then his wincon is finding a pocket who he's confident isn't scum, and leveraging it to get out of the thread. for real, I'd posit that just hard pocketing peoole is the way to win as either alignment in trust fall. but anyway.

he seems acutely aware of his need to find a vector to leave the thread and is actually like, discussing his prospects and how likely they are to help him advance his wincon itt. I feel like theres a dissonance between this + the natural guilt associated with needing to pocket someone and exploit their trust. I dont think all that high a % of scum players are likely to actually post publicly with this kind of dissonance.

posts for illustration.

I could make a trust offer to

chavela

tbf. This sounds like slot who has an exceptionally low chance of being scum. But would they reciprocate? Given the fact that they have two trust offers already and don't seem to keen on even considering any of them, I doubt it.

..then again, I don't see myself trusting neither

bugspray

nor

humaneatingmonkey

so far.

Is getting out today important to you?

No, but getting out eventually with someone whom I am very sure (ideally 100%) is town is my priority for town to win the game. The way I see it, 7 to 8 townies have an individual task to do and I’m trying to do mine.

It is also extremely important for me not to waste my vote or throw it around because I have only one per day.

If no one whom I think is worthy of a trust offer is willing to reciprocate then there is no point in me making any offers for the sake of it. They will change nothing. I have to either change my mind about someone else or wait for one player I trust to trust me back.

Okay, the only players I’m comfortable trusting are

Norwee

and

chavela

. I don’t think

chavela

would accept my offer nor an offer from anyone tbf.

So I guess there will be no offer from me to anyone this day.

so if greeting is scum surely his approach here is to like, actually make more efforts to look like hes doing the thing which he signals town needs to do in post 666. if we treat this as a perspective slip, i think hes accidentally showing an intent to solve rather than an intent to be viewed as town.

I am so happy post #666 inadvertently displays virtue

[Meuh]

im kind of thinking about trusting duck to end the game because if duck/me flip t/t then ydra should be clear since she couldve accepted duck and ydra/shiki would end the game

Can’t say I hate this solve, it’s one of the better ones that doesn’t involve me in a pair (which I doubt will happen anyway)
I don’t think there’s more than 1 scum in the replacement trio/chav, so worst case I carry us to victory at F4 3-1 and we win ggez

[the worst]

the replacement trio

oh this is hilarious

[Meuh]

the replacement trio

oh this is hilarious

A trio of besties! <3

[Kuriyama]

Meuh's so charming <3

[Greeting]

I'm back! Glad that Day 1 ended up in a successful, townie pairing. I wouldn't find myself trusting either of these two though. Hello

Kuriyama

and

the worst

!

Now time to catch up.

[Greeting]

greeting can be town sure

Sure, I am, but I wonder how you came to this conclusion with all the posts I've made this game? I've been pretty task-focused in this game and didn't comment a lot.

[Greeting]

though meuh's post does make a weird assumption of

the mafia leaving the game in general

and kinda has that time traveler element to it

of almost looking back at actions

as step by step later is better than sooner

because! later could become never but sooner cannot if it has already happened

I feel like the strategy

Meuh

presented is more likely to benefit scum than town and the explanation is just kinda there to cover it up. It's a case of looking at her intention and not picking on her gameplay. I mean, letting any scum out with a town pairing brings scum closer and town further from victory so in my eyes that is something that needs to be prevented and not encouraged.

It's kinda like saying in a usual mafia game that we should vote out some townies because getting scum should be easier later. Meant to sound well-intentioned, but really is shady.

This game, however, is essentially townhunting and not scumhunting. So I'm not scumreading

Meuh

per se

- just not townreading or trusting her enough to offer a way out for both of us.

[Greeting]

Okay so these 2 posts feel scummy.

Whether deliberately or not, 663 pretty clearly misses the point of 288, in which I was talking about a specific theoretical from Norwee which assumes scum exiting the game at all. Greeting could've quoted Norwee's 283 and ended up with a point that makes just as much sense, since Norwee, in this post, also assumes the instance in which a scum player exits the game at one point.
The train of logic Greeting supposedly uses to end up thinking I'm scum doesn't really make sense to me.
It would have to be "Meuh suggests we should purposely eliminate a scum member" (which I pretty clearly did not suggest) -> Meuh is scummy
But the opposite line of logic, made in bad faith, does make sense. I want to scumread Meuh (or perhaps anyone) -> hey, this post seems like something I could point to as scummy
Maybe Greeting genuinely didn't get my post but I don't understand how they could end up doing that but not see anything wrong with the theoretical Norwee was proposing in the first place?

Also, the fixation on what proposal to make from Greeting in 664 just feels off. I don't know why town!Greeting would be so interested on where to place his vote. It's hard not to read as if he's looking to get out of here ASAP. They kinda justify it in 666 and 667 but this still doesn't make sense to me. "getting out eventually with someone whom I am very sure (ideally 100%) is town is my priority for town to win the game." is apparently the thought process behind it, so that Greeting is thinking long-term. However, 664 feels oriented on the short term, where to place his trust vote

right now

, or at least

today

.
This approach of narrowing down the options for pairings has me really uneasy, I can't say I've placed much mind on the pairings so far, unless it was brought up by someone else. (But I guess the day end is drawing nearer, maybe there's a need to shift a bit more from individual reading and more to forming an actual pairing?)
Perhaps Greeting is just approaching the game differently than me and has a different mentality, but I just don't really get it if he is.

I don't think that it's what

Norwee

wanted to convey though, he was speculating about something that might happen later in the game. Your post made it sound like a potential strategy town should consider taking. But there is a piece of information that's missing here and probably confusing you. It's the fact that

chavela

has laid out the exact same point earlier (in a strategic way, just like yours) and I didn't come at them for it, but came for you instead.

Here's why: I didn't read the thread carefully enough.

This is actually a really bad mistake on my part, given the fact that I was speculating on whether to offer to trust

chavela

in Day 1. Now I know that I won't.

As for the rest: I've laid all my cards on the table with my strategy in this game. I feel that I am one individual who happens to share a goal with 7 others - and that is to find someone who is 100% town and to exit the game with them. If you think of the game this way, you start to look for a potential partner to exit with. I absolutely do feel that matches should be consulted, because any potential error of judgement can be fatal so we all have to think thrice before offering or taking a trust. I don't have a better idea to approach this game so I'm probably going to continue this strategy for the remainder of my presence in it. Unless I get a better idea, but I probably won't.

[Greeting]

i think she just likes Meuh too

Just like town loves to vote me out in usual mafia when I'm town, in this game I'll probably be the spinster.

[Greeting]

I am 100% down to trust

the worst

today just like I was to trust

Norwee

Day 1.

[Kuriyama]

the chain of love grows longer

[Meuh]

Oh god it really is Pav/Bugspray isn’t it

[Pavowski]

Holy cow. I have a couple of days away from the thread and everybody wants to leave me on the island

I have sadfaces, but ok, I guess I'd better figure out who I actually want to trust here

[Pavowski]

DUCK do you think I'm scum because lurk or because other reasons?