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[Dwlee99]

I made no posts between these two. Koba just made a joke about not listening to other people at all when I asked them to consider they could be wrong :^)

Do you mind giving me your current reads of the players (town/scum/null)?

@tictac: Do you mind giving me your thoughts on my other post to you, re: Meuh?

HEM/Gamma scum

NK/Marci/Koba one scum

[tictac]

kinda like the 2 absent slots coming liive and both honing on the one slot that's under pressure and having their own reasons.
granted, chaos fits this bill more blatantly than u do. thought about waiting to see if u became more clear on the issue, but that's gonna last forever.
not sure if it's opportunistic really. i'd more call it coincidental, as in "i don't think this is what naturally happens when new people read through a game and form opinions about it"

What do you think about that you have a scumread on Meuh as your 2nd top scum read(?) but that you are both voting for Chaos? Do you then think Meuh is bussing them? Or what is your opinion on Meuh currently?

i liked the defence of lion. i don't really keep an ordered list at the moment, but yea. the reasoning 4 chaos also applies to meuh if to a lesser extent.
day1 associatives are bad tho, so i'd vote w meuh even if she was a harder scumread.

[Roden]

Also HEM became lurky as fuck once I started protesting the game state, and he keeps dodging having to directly engage with me. They've popped in a couple times to say "GL scum" and that's about it, their earlier fire is entirely gone. That's another major reason why I believe his aggression towards GL was manufactured and not a real scum read.

PE: VOTE: HEM

[ShadowGirl]

Koba, Gamma: Why did you move off GL and hopped on a Roden wagon? Yes, I know that you SR both.

I’m actually less convinced GL is scum than Roden is. Both of them have given me vibes of past scumgames tho, and I think that’s a weirdly solid sign for me specifically

Can you explain this position given that your reasoning is that Roden had "skin in the game" (do you mean protecting scum buddy)? Is your position that Roden is trying to get towncred for trying to protect GL if he flips town? Or do you believe they are both scum?

[Dwlee99]

Less questions more statements please

[Dwlee99]

I gave you my list what do you think?

[ShadowGirl]

Less questions more statements please

I did a whole write-up a page ago so you can see my thoughts there and I'm asking questions so that I am able to more accurately give my thoughts based on fuller information, since on many posts I cited there were no/little explanations... so if there is a specific thing you want to ask me about, you can ask me a question too.

HEM/Gamma scum

NK/Marci/Koba one scum

As per my write-up, I don't like Gamma's E-1 vote and I am trying to understand his reasoning for switching his vote from GL to Roden & why he finds Roden scummy now or if it just boils down only to "past game" reads (or severe personality clashing). As I've said in my longer post, I don't love votes that are purely or most heavily based on past game reads rather than current game actions.

About HEM, the interaction with GL is difficult to parse if it's just really heavy tunnel vision or scum stirring someone up to make a wagon - I don't like how fast the traction for GL was and how close it came to an elimination. Currently they don't seem to be doing much other than solely going after GL, with now also thinking Roden is scummy for their defense - and I disagree with their take that Roden isn't scumhunting, as I believe evaluating who is voting on a wagon / pushing a wagon to be scumhunting.

As to the other people on your list that you scumread, I've given my thoughts in the longer write-up and none of them have posted since that post of mine/answered my questions. If there's something particular you want me to elaborate from my post, you can ask me.

Are you just asking me what I think of your list to try and determine if I have a scumread of you based on your answer?

[humaneatingmonkey]

yes it's true i've become lurky as fuck

[humaneatingmonkey]

dwlee is very good at image management. i dont buy that as scum, he blunders immediately in koba's hood when koba jokes about being traitor and here when he immediately picks a fight with Koba, Testarossa and you.

[humaneatingmonkey]

They've popped in a couple times to say "GL scum" and that's about it, their earlier fire is entirely gone.

it's true my earlier fire is entirely gone.

i'm really not paying any attention in this game.

but i've popped in to say "GL town", actually

[humaneatingmonkey]

HEM's reaction to GL felt heavily manufactured. I've already made this point two other times, but GL and I made similar arguments against HEM, yet GL was the one who took all the heat. Even now, I'm getting accused of not scum hunting, but no matter how many times I bring it up my scum hunting just seems to get ignored.

tell me how my feelings are invalid

[ShadowGirl]

They've popped in a couple times to say "GL scum" and that's about it, their earlier fire is entirely gone.

it's true my earlier fire is entirely gone.

i'm really not paying any attention in this game.

but i've popped in to say "GL town", actually

Can you elaborate on your change of opinion on GL?

[humaneatingmonkey]

the wagon went up to e-1 so fast, it can't be right

[humaneatingmonkey]

although... i confess not reading this game closely

[humaneatingmonkey]

we have 5 days. give me the weekend. im swamped with work.

[Roden]

HEM's reaction to GL felt heavily manufactured. I've already made this point two other times, but GL and I made similar arguments against HEM, yet GL was the one who took all the heat. Even now, I'm getting accused of not scum hunting, but no matter how many times I bring it up my scum hunting just seems to get ignored.

tell me how my feelings are invalid

This AtE deserves a day vig shot.

[humaneatingmonkey]

it was a joke. your humorlessness deserves a dayvig shot.

link me your case

[Roden]

That's pretty clearly not a joke

I sent you my case twice

[humaneatingmonkey]

just send it again please

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'll read it this time i promise

[Roden]

i tend to value in thread interactions > pressuring whats not there when im town

when im scum its like easier for me to get caught up with players not here so i can appear busy and not advance anything

why not just wait? you have a wagon on him.

though you switching to me is actually +town

lolwut
I actually think you're town here koba???

yeah actually me too now

UNVOTE:

can you tell us about dwlee in your hood?

Low key wondering why no one has brought my name up yet or accused me of lurking. But Chaos hasn't posted yet either I guess.

I can't believe that quoted early lmao, I hit cut but I guess it didn't matter.

Anyway that was gonna be my reason for voting HEM because I caught up already and that looked like scum trying to appease someone who was scum reading them.

VOTE: HEM

@HEM:

Why did you get so aggressive and angry with GL when they essentially made the same read on you as I did? You ignored my read and vote and instead mauled GL for it even though they explained the read in much more detail than I had.

Why is Roden more concerned with defending GL than finding scum

No that's just the only thing people want to respond to. I've made a case on you twice now, and it was ignored by you and everyone else both times.

[humaneatingmonkey]

these are your cases??

#240 i'm not trying to appease koba, i was sorting him.
#483 i scumread GL because how he behaved around his vote, his reads, and what town motivation should be is incongruent. you voted me. it's not the same.

jeez i thought you had more

[humaneatingmonkey]

remember: GL scumread me but didn't vote for me because he thought Dwlee was worth pressuring. The problem is: He already progressed that read to null, but backtracked to justify the vote parking. I see him dictate that "I just made one comment how could that be changing my read!" but one comment is enough to signal that your read has changed. So he was parking his vote on dwlee even though his scumread was yelling at his face for a full page. it didn't matter if he changed his behavior around my slot. the initial reaction was all i cared about.

though i'm gonna review what else happened with the rest of the day to get a better picture of the game.

[Gamma Emerald]

I made no posts between these two. Koba just made a joke about not listening to other people at all when I asked them to consider they could be wrong :^)

Do you mind giving me your current reads of the players (town/scum/null)?

@tictac: Do you mind giving me your thoughts on my other post to you, re: Meuh?

HEM/Gamma scum

NK/Marci/Koba one scum

your reads are trash

[Roden]

these are your cases??

#240 i'm not trying to appease koba, i was sorting him.
#483 i scumread GL because how he behaved around his vote, his reads, and what town motivation should be is incongruent. you voted me. it's not the same.

jeez i thought you had more

Downplaying it like this does not make me feel better about you at all.

I did more than vote you, I gave a reason for it. GL did the exact same thing. The problem is not that you scum read him for it, but that you were very aggressive towards him for it, but not me. We made similar reads but you only engaged with him about the read. Anything you engaged with me about was very specifically about other players.

Furthermore, you actually town read GL for his behavior/reads/town motivation at first, and only swapped over to scum reading him when GL wouldn't budge and others began to openly call GL scummy. You didn't revert back to calling him town again until after his wagon died down.