Large Normal 238 | Weiqi, Baduk, Go | Endgame

[DeasVail]

To be fair I think you were at risk of dying anyway. I was suspicious that you had a result on me and April.

This makes me think town has a LOT of power though. And so eyes gets some side-eye from me, but I’m not sure that would be the best place to go immediately.

[DeasVail]

I seriously couldn’t understand why you were so confident in us being town

[fireisredsir]

yea i think i probably would have died, i got tired of coming up with reasons and was really lazy about my townread on you lol

[fireisredsir]

i agree though, it is a lot of power. it's a little less if there's a traitor, and it would have been a lot less if hood+masons hadn't been outed d1 (shoutout to them for doing that and making my job easier), but it's still pretty strong, and that makes me concerned about multiple things

[MathBlade]

ok fine i really wanted to greed for another result, but i probably die here tonight anyway. and if everyone else has the same poe as me then we can solve easier, everyone is getting distracted. plus (i only realized this recently, cause I'm DUMB) if we flip a scum here and there's a traitor my role will be useless

im a traffic analyzer. so i can check if people have private communications.

n1: save the dragons, does NOT have communications
n2: titus, HAS communications
n3: April ludgate, does NOT have communications
n4: deasvail, does NOT have communications

so the only way dragons/april/deas are maf is if they're traitors. or, technically it could be deas+titus as the only groupscum and then like 3 traitors but wtf is that setup. i think we shouldn't ever elim in that group of 3 and should just hunt the groupscum instead. that's why im only considering maf outside of that group.

UNVOTE: so we can discuss and so that people smarter than me can setup spec

No offense, I am not trusting this until you flip

We can still do Cape
Then if Cape flips red and you die then April is confirmed town.

I don’t buy the level of power here.

[MathBlade]

If you’re town you’ll have to be flipped by scum.

It’s much more likely it’s just Fire April Cape

Because if you were town Fire you’d be hella sus of eyes.

[DeasVail]

I think total 4 scum + traitor is likely.

PEdit: yeah sorry, I kind of wish that you didn’t need to investigate me but I understand why.

I’m still thinking about cape’s suspicion on me, which feels really forced and awkward honestly, but there could be bias there. I won’t be able to specifically respond to the points for another couple of hours, but things like suspecting my read progression on frogster seem super disingenuous considering that changes in reads happen (see: cape) and I’m obviously going to pay attention to the person who led a wagon on Titus.

[fireisredsir]

i am pretty sus of eyes but like deas said i don't think we necessarily have to go there first

[MathBlade]

To be fair I think you were at risk of dying anyway. I was suspicious that you had a result on me and April.

This makes me think town has a LOT of power though. And so eyes gets some side-eye from me, but I’m not sure that would be the best place to go immediately.

Neither is.

Scum solve the problem with NKs.

If I am wrong and Fire is town they die.

[fireisredsir]

i also have very poor setup knowledge hence why i want smarter people to tell me what i should think

[MathBlade]

for the resistance point, i think it could easily be frog+galron + someone who decided early that they wanted to bus

Are you the new April?

Start off agreeing then try to convince me otherwise?

Like what April did with Titus?

huh? im explaining my thought process for why i think frog scum is still viable. ive said all day that i want one of frog/cape/eyes, and after the eyes claim i slightly prefer frog or cape. im voting with you on cape, and if you want cape, i don't plan to change that

im just having a hard time getting over the fact that frog isn't even trying this day phase

Really? Eyes claims PR and you’re a PR and you’re less sus of eyes??

Really???

[MathBlade]

i also have very poor setup knowledge hence why i want smarter people to tell me what i should think

I think you botched your fake claim but night kills will solve this

[fireisredsir]

i wasn't planning to claim at that point so i have no valid reason to be sus of eyes in thread. if I'm just like "there's no way eyes is telling the truth!!" i think that makes it pretty obvious im PR lmao

my claim is pretty clearly supported by my posting this game, but you're right it will prob just be confirmed when I die tonight

[fireisredsir]

i want to see how other people adjust their solves based on this info tho, which is why i think it was worth it to do it now

[MathBlade]

i wasn't planning to claim at that point so i have no valid reason to be sus of eyes in thread. if I'm just like "there's no way eyes is telling the truth!!" i think that makes it pretty obvious im PR lmao

my claim is pretty clearly supported by my posting this game, but you're right it will prob just be confirmed when I die tonight

I am sorry I just can’t believe April is this bad and town

Let’s just flip Cape get results and see who dies

[tenebrousluminary]

Oh. Okay. Well, Eyes is scum.

[MathBlade]

i want to see how other people adjust their solves based on this info tho, which is why i think it was worth it to do it now

To be fair I don’t trust it so I am not changing the solve.

[tenebrousluminary]

Seems like a role you'd put in if there was a traitor and/or hood scum.

[fireisredsir]

i also figured that i had made my results obvious enough that if i got NKd it was nbd bc people would figure them out, but i started to think that you would probably still think April was maf unless i explicitly stated my results lol

[Cape90]

DeasVail is mafia, here are some of the reasons I think this.

1. Deas' world of Cape/Scorp is actually not good. 7339 honestly seems like this/Frogster is possible.

2. 7408 is literally just classic scum quote and nobody is biting. It's literally just a discredit. I feel really good about my Deas push right now.

3. Recent hedginess on Frogsterking. Look at 7281, 7339, 7021.

4. Recent posting has been considerably worse then before.

5. I kinda read this 6403 and even in here, like look at the bottom, it's like Deas is setting up for me being mafia here (specifically the last part after the comma), it's almost obvious to me. Also the Scorpius segment is honestly funny and underbaked, and now Scorpius is top scum with me.

6. 6391, 6372 is gross. Oh and apparently Deas doesn't care about the hood in 5949 so why even have the VPB hard suspicion anyway? Obviously they were scumreading VPB before, it's obv with posts like 4303/4056.

7. Recent hedginess on Frogster contradicts 5706.

This post reads as if you decided you were going to scumread me and then went digging for reasons to justify it

you sure havent done better.

[MathBlade]

Seems like a role you'd put in if there was a traitor and/or hood scum.

Oh no…I am right on setup spec again

Which Titus resisted

And resisted Cape

Ffs let’s do Cape please

[fireisredsir]

like it literally could just be cape/frog/eyes and i think that's extremely believable

[MathBlade]

like it literally could just be cape/frog/eyes and i think that's extremely believable

If so then you die and it confirms a ton of people

And if you’re scum I die then you end up being PoE’d results false and have to bus April

Win win elim Cape

[tenebrousluminary]

I think all scum are probably in Cape frog eyes galron.

[Cape90]

VOTE: fireisredsir

Okay.

I really want to see what fire did around that.

They seemed to be overplaying today if any of that is real. I am calling bluff