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[Andresvmb]

The message from a mailman will say it came from another player. It’s never ambiguous.

@Scorpious, can you paraphrase what it says that the player receiving a message from you will be told when receiving your message?

[MalcolmTucker]

Are you explicitly told in the message that it has come from Kitty? If not, why were you the one who claimed on their behalf?

because it appeared to be a friendly neighbour message from kittytacky and i only later became paranoid about it when thinking about mailman claim

But what do you mean by "appeared" to be here? When the message showed up, were you informed both that it was from Kitty, and that it was from a friendly neighbour?

no, i mean it appeared to be a friendly neighbour message from kittytacky

like as though kittytacky had targeted me with a friendly neighbour ability

which according to the wiki would mean i would be sent a message saying kittytacky was town

which is more or less what i received

however i have no way of determining whether or not a mailman could have sent me such a message

and if it would look any different if a mailman did

and was unable to gain further clarity, so

Right, got you.

[angela]

I asked the Moderator a question basically on your behalf but I couldn’t get an answer because the Mod doesn’t want to interfere in the game in any way and does not want to give the impression that a role exists within the game. I’m paraphrasing, but that means I won’t get direct confirmation.

you were also unable to gain formatting clarity

and can kinda shrug if we lose to mafia!kittytacky based on mailman message we have no way of separating from a friendly neighbour message

Hard disagree. A message from another player that is mailman will indicate that the message came from another player. If there’s no such component, and it looks like the format from your Role PM, then it’s a Mod communication and confirmation that Kitty is a Friendly Neighbor.

according to the wiki both would be formatted as messages

and i received a message

[Andresvmb]

Yes I understand you received a message. But a message from a mailman indicates it came from another player. It’s an important difference. The point of the role is not to confuse you or open up the possibility that you would interpret a message from another player as a Moderator communication. Because that gives the Scum an advantage that’s not supposed to be there. They’re not supposed to be able to impersonate the Moderator. This is completely clear in my mind.

[angela]

Yes I understand you received a message. But a message from a mailman indicates it came from another player. It’s an important difference. The point of the role is not to confuse you or open up the possibility that you would interpret a message from another player as a Moderator communication. Because that gives the Scum an advantage that’s not supposed to be there. They’re not supposed to be able to impersonate the Moderator. This is completely clear in my mind.

but a friendly neighbour message also comes from another player

from the wiki:

"A Friendly Neighbor can target a player at Night to tell them that they are Town. The target will receive a message saying that the Friendly Neighbor is Town"

this appears to be the message i received

however, i have absolutely no way of knowing if it would look any different if a mailman sent me a message saying kittytacky was town

[Scorpious]

The message from a mailman will say it came from another player. It’s never ambiguous.

@Scorpious, can you paraphrase what it says that the player receiving a message from you will be told when receiving your message?

They will be told it was from a mailman but wont be told the alignment.

[Scorpious]

however, i have absolutely no way of knowing if it would look any different if a mailman sent me a message saying kittytacky was town

yes, you would.. well at least now

you

know..

[angela]

The message from a mailman will say it came from another player. It’s never ambiguous.

@Scorpious, can you paraphrase what it says that the player receiving a message from you will be told when receiving your message?

They will be told it was from a mailman but wont be told the alignment.

hm

i mean, to you that would mean kittytacky confirmed but the main concern here if it did come from a mailman would be you/kittytacky team

so hard for me to take this as hard confirmation

[Andresvmb]

Yes I understand you received a message. But a message from a mailman indicates it came from another player. It’s an important difference. The point of the role is not to confuse you or open up the possibility that you would interpret a message from another player as a Moderator communication. Because that gives the Scum an advantage that’s not supposed to be there. They’re not supposed to be able to impersonate the Moderator. This is completely clear in my mind.

but a friendly neighbour message also comes from another player

from the wiki:

"A Friendly Neighbor can target a player at Night to tell them that they are Town. The target will receive a message saying that the Friendly Neighbor is Town"

this appears to be the message i received

however, i have absolutely no way of knowing if it would look any different if a mailman sent me a message saying kittytacky was town

This is not how the role works.

You do receive a message. Kitty targets you as the recipient of the message. But the content of the message doesn’t come from Kitty. If it did, it wouldn’t count as confirmation that they’re Town (only the Mod can provide such confirmations). Like they can’t just type out a message that says “Kitty is Town”, send it to you as mailman, and for you not to clearly see that a player typed out the contents of that message. If the message came from a mailman, it’ll say: “You received the following message from [another player]: “[message]”. It will never just be a Mod confirmation with no source.

[Scorpious]

I'm not worried about the message anymore.

What worries me is how quickly you put thoughtful angela in the back seat and just started "trusting" people.

The message is irrelevant, we can go on about it for literal days..

[angela]

Yes I understand you received a message. But a message from a mailman indicates it came from another player. It’s an important difference. The point of the role is not to confuse you or open up the possibility that you would interpret a message from another player as a Moderator communication. Because that gives the Scum an advantage that’s not supposed to be there. They’re not supposed to be able to impersonate the Moderator. This is completely clear in my mind.

but a friendly neighbour message also comes from another player

from the wiki:

"A Friendly Neighbor can target a player at Night to tell them that they are Town. The target will receive a message saying that the Friendly Neighbor is Town"

this appears to be the message i received

however, i have absolutely no way of knowing if it would look any different if a mailman sent me a message saying kittytacky was town

This is not how the role works.

You do receive a message. Kitty targets you as the recipient of the message. But the content of the message doesn’t come from Kitty. If it did, it wouldn’t count as confirmation that they’re Town (only the Mod can provide such confirmations). Like they can’t just type out a message that says “Kitty is Town”, send it to you as mailman, and for you not to clearly see that a player typed out the contents of that message. If the message came from a mailman, it’ll say: “You received the following message from [another player]: “[message]”. It will never just be a Mod confirmation with no source.

according to the wiki the role works the way i described not the way you are describing

i got a message

the message said kittytacky town

that's what i know

[Scorpious]

And so we're all clear. I cannot confirm nor deny what a received mailman message actually looks like, I just have the role pm to tell me what I do.

[angela]

I'm not worried about the message anymore.

What worries me is how quickly you put thoughtful angela in the back seat and just started "trusting" people.

The message is irrelevant, we can go on about it for literal days..

should i not have trusted the message? i don't understand what you're saying here

if you trust the message then i should have trusted the message

which i did and then paranoia started creeping in

like you're now literally saying

"okay kittytacky town i trust it!

why did you trust it???"

[MalcolmTucker]

Yes I understand you received a message. But a message from a mailman indicates it came from another player. It’s an important difference. The point of the role is not to confuse you or open up the possibility that you would interpret a message from another player as a Moderator communication. Because that gives the Scum an advantage that’s not supposed to be there. They’re not supposed to be able to impersonate the Moderator. This is completely clear in my mind.

but a friendly neighbour message also comes from another player

from the wiki:

"A Friendly Neighbor can target a player at Night to tell them that they are Town. The target will receive a message saying that the Friendly Neighbor is Town"

this appears to be the message i received

however, i have absolutely no way of knowing if it would look any different if a mailman sent me a message saying kittytacky was town

This is not how the role works.

You do receive a message. Kitty targets you as the recipient of the message. But the content of the message doesn’t come from Kitty. If it did, it wouldn’t count as confirmation that they’re Town (only the Mod can provide such confirmations). Like they can’t just type out a message that says “Kitty is Town”, send it to you as mailman, and for you not to clearly see that a player typed out the contents of that message. If the message came from a mailman, it’ll say: “You received the following message from [another player]: “[message]”. It will never just be a Mod confirmation with no source.

according to the wiki the role works the way i described not the way you are describing

i got a message

the message said kittytacky town

that's what i know

What part of the above is wrong in particular? Andre has given a detailed explanation as to how the role works, you are not pointing out where he is incorrect.

[angela]

What part of the above is wrong in particular? Andre has given a detailed explanation as to how the role works, you are not pointing out where he is incorrect.

the part about how friendly neighbour works that andresvmb is describing

does not match the wiki

nor how it works here if kittytacky is indeed a friendly neighbour

i do not think that makes kittytacky not a friendly neighbour though

as how it works here does seem to match the wiki

just does not match what andresvmb is describing

[MalcolmTucker]

What part of the above is wrong in particular? Andre has given a detailed explanation as to how the role works, you are not pointing out where he is incorrect.

the part about how friendly neighbour works that andresvmb is describing

does not match the wiki

nor how it works here if kittytacky is indeed a friendly neighbour

i do not think that makes kittytacky not a friendly neighbour though

as how it works here does seem to match the wiki

just does not match what andresvmb is describing

What part in particular does not match? Which aspect of his post is wrong?

[angela]

What part in particular does not match? Which aspect of his post is wrong?

Kitty targets you as the recipient of the message. But the content of the message doesn’t come from Kitty.

this

[Andresvmb]

What I really don’t want to see is that Kitty flips Scum in this game for some reason, that angela then gets to claim that they were confused by the way their communication was received. If Kitty flips Scum, absolutely execute angela no questions asked.

[angela]

like i got message

contents of message is

kittytacky town

which appears to match description on wiki

but i have no way of determining if it would be different if it came from a mailman

like would i not receive a message

and then the contents of that message

in the same way?

outside of scorpious saying that their message would say it came from a mailman, but like i said that not like we can just trust that

[Scorpious]

I'm not worried about the message anymore.

What worries me is how quickly you put thoughtful angela in the back seat and just started "trusting" people.

The message is irrelevant, we can go on about it for literal days..

should i not have trusted the message? i don't understand what you're saying here

if you trust the message then i should have trusted the message

which i did and then paranoia started creeping in

like you're now literally saying

"okay kittytacky town i trust it!

why did you trust it???"

Far be it from me to say what you "should" do..

All I'm saying, is you have fought me tooth and nail since I told you I sent you a message and what it said.

Kitty then one-ups me and says they sent you one and you're like ok,town...

I guess it's my fault for not using the correct verbiage before when I asked if the message explictly "said" Kitty was town. I should have asked the right question: Did the messgae "CONFIRM" Kitty as town?

[Scorpious]

I'm very weirded out..

But I still think Kitty is really a town neighbor..

As much as I wish the person pushing me was scum, I don't think they are.

[Andresvmb]

Am I the only one that is struggling with this? The contents of the message received by the target of the Friendly Neighbor do not come from the Friendly Neighbor. That’s literally never the case. It cannot be.

Can someone find an example of a game with a Friendly Neighbor and look at the Mod PT? I’m a bit tired of this conversation.

[angela]

What I really don’t want to see is that Kitty flips Scum in this game for some reason, that angela then gets to claim that they were confused by the way their communication was received. If Kitty flips Scum, absolutely execute angela no questions asked.

i am town regardless

if kittytacky is mafia it is with scorpious almost always

i am confused by the communication like i said

i don't understand why you possibly think this is how me/kittytacky would play this as mafia

like

...

[angela]

Am I the only one that is struggling with this? The contents of the message received by the target of the Friendly Neighbor do not come from the Friendly Neighbor. That’s literally never the case. It cannot be.

Can someone find an example of a game with a Friendly Neighbor and look at the Mod PT? I’m a bit tired of this conversation.

i can go find one in normal archive give me a few minutes

[Scorpious]

Am I the only one that is struggling with this? The contents of the message received by the target of the Friendly Neighbor do not come from the Friendly Neighbor. That’s literally never the case. It cannot be.

Can someone find an example of a game with a Friendly Neighbor and look at the Mod PT? I’m a bit tired of this conversation.

I think It's a waste of time,The only way this is fabricated is if they are both scum...

I don't see it..