Open 848: Chromavalon: A Bouquet of Colors [Game Over]

[butterflies]

Explain what you mean here about a “tmi perspective”. Are you suggesting we’re being tmi’d town or scum by this?

i had the same thought as implosion did, but to me, it came with the caveat of "if butterflies is town". implosion didn't include that. i don't think the statement makes sense in a world where you're scum: why would scum be afraid to push you if you're a scum partner? so the fact that he just said that scum would be hesitant to push you, with no mention of your possible alignment, made me think that could be coming from a perspective of him knowing that you're town

not guaranteed or anything but it's something that caught my eye. and if implosion did flip scum i would be more likely to think you're town as a result

Interesting.

~Nancyfly

[Noraa]

you could be, im not gonna rule it out, i just didn't have that read of things initially. i think it came from the confidence levels expressed in certain posts about each other, felt more like someone was being pocketed rather than two town just genuinely melding[/quote]

nancy takes SRs more personally than most players so it can be difficult for me to navigate around that. in general i try to give her room to do whatever she wants because it never benefits any game no matter the alignment of absolutely anyone for me to have an argument with her about why i should not SR her. these have never been productive ever in the history of everything and i dont want one.

[Noraa]

i think it came from the confidence levels expressed in certain posts about each other, felt more like someone was being pocketed rather than two town just genuinely melding

also nancy has never pocketed me before and i havent pocketed either of the hydra heads in a while now.
pocketing is not something that happens between our slots but the reason we feel that way i have explained in the past post

[Noraa]

in general nancy and i are players who need a lot of room and time. and that is why we act "weirdly" around each other

[butterflies]

This isn’t a strong read but I’m thinking fire could be town. I’ve been coming at him pretty hard and they didn’t act weird about it. Scum usually gets weirdly defensive, nervous or frozen when pushed like that but they didn’t.

So, I’m now thinking I like him better than some other slots. The bad news is that I now have a possible PoE of 4 instead of 3, which kind of sucks but I’m hoping after more people post and even better actually give reads, I’ll hopefully be able to narrow it down further. If fire is actually scum, then he’s done a pretty impressive job of making me think otherwise but I’m going to say, I’m not currently worried about them.

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

This isn’t a strong read but I’m thinking fire could be town. I’ve been coming at THEM pretty hard and they didn’t act weird about it. Scum usually gets weirdly defensive, nervous or frozen when pushed like that but they didn’t.

So, I’m now thinking I like THEM better than some other slots. The bad news is that I now have a possible PoE of 4 instead of 3, which kind of sucks but I’m hoping after more people post and even better actually give reads, I’ll hopefully be able to narrow it down further. If fire is actually scum, then he’s done a pretty impressive job of making me think otherwise but I’m going to say, I’m not currently worried about them.

~Nancyfly

edited for correct pronouns

[butterflies]

This isn’t a strong read but I’m thinking fire could be town. I’ve been coming at THEM pretty hard and they didn’t act weird about it. Scum usually gets weirdly defensive, nervous or frozen when pushed like that but they didn’t.

So, I’m now thinking I like THEM better than some other slots. The bad news is that I now have a possible PoE of 4 instead of 3, which kind of sucks but I’m hoping after more people post and even better actually give reads, I’ll hopefully be able to narrow it down further. If fire is actually scum, then THEY’VE done a pretty impressive job of making me think otherwise but I’m going to say, I’m not currently worried about them.

~Nancyfly

edited for correct pronouns

Aah! Sorry fire.

[fireisredsir]

in general nancy and i are players who need a lot of room and time. and that is why we act "weirdly" around each other

hmm. i think what you're describing here could make sense. if so then it is more of a possibility that you're both town. if nancy has never pocketed you, do you think that makes her less likely to be scum here?

[fireisredsir]

any pronouns are fine for me, no worries

[furtiveglance]

Current reads:

butterflies

: I reassessed both butterflies and Noraa after that Dunnstral flip, but I've landed town on both. It's not just the high post count, but both players are either playing incredibly transparently or faking a level of transparency that should be impossible to fake.

Noraa

: fireisredsir suggested in 380 that it's unlikely both butterflies and Noraa are town. I had doubts about Noraa yesterday, but ze seem more town than ever after being so wrong. I understand if that doesn't seem logical, but zir doubting in the twilight seemed genuine to me.

fireisredsir

: Progo was null/town but fire has quickly become a strong townread - 380 and 411 are full of analysis which is great. They agree with my scumread on Umlaut and I agree with their take on Enchant which I will explain below.

implosion

: I like the vote on Enchant but not much else beyond that. 288 is too vague, 'maybe Galron or Titus' feels unsubstantiated. They make a lot of posts which are easy for scum to make - 289 is LAMIST. That said I would rather not eliminate implosion as they could become more town for me after some flips.

Galron

: Coasty like me. Not enough for me to get a read on yet.

Titus

: Voted Dunnstral yesterday with no explanation. Voted implosion today with no explanation. No analysis all game but unlike Galron, I get scummy vibes from Titus. I don't like the day 1 focus on Muses/wifom and she sussed me for a joke in my first post. I think I can tell when other town suspect me, and this is not it. A red flip wouldn't surprise me at all, and I can now see an Enchant/Titus pair after she 1) failed to mention the lolhammer yesterday and 2)voted implosion who later voted Enchant.

Umlaut

: 'Policy voting' Enchant pinged me. I wouldn't policy vote someone I thought was town. I also still think omgussing butterflies day 1 was scummy, followed by voting Progo who's slot is now town in my eyes. Seems to be pairing with implosion. I can't see implosion/Umlaut as much as I can see Enchant/Titus, but scum might not openly pair anyway.

Enchant

: Hammered a town, then had some very awkward twilight chat. Not good. Other players have mentioned that 'lolhammering' is part of Enchant's meta, but like fireisredsir said in 411, her play seems scum-motivated to me. I'm slightly wary of voting for Enchant as implosion and Umlaut have started the vote quite early today, and they are null and scum respectively for me. However, individually Enchant is my biggest scumread.

[Titus]

I'll catch up this afternoon/evening.

[Umlaut]

Really like fire's read-in. I don't love the part where they say I'm scummy but I agree with Noraa it shows a level of nuance and careful reading that I don't really expect from scum. Fire seems so transparently towny that it bothers me implo doesn't see it.

Actually I really hate implo's whole reaction to fire here, especially 413 which seems like warning fire off trying to make reads or publicize them in a way that feels really anti-town. I actually really liked implo for town based on their posting yesterday so have to think about what to do with this but definitely knock them down a notch or three.

[Umlaut]

Umlaut

: 'Policy voting' Enchant pinged me. I wouldn't policy vote someone I thought was town. I also still think omgussing butterflies day 1 was scummy, followed by voting Progo who's slot is now town in my eyes. Seems to be pairing with implosion. I can't see implosion/Umlaut as much as I can see Enchant/Titus, but scum might not openly pair anyway.

I don't think Enchant is town. Where are you getting that I think they're town? Enchant's hammer was bad, their reaction to Dunn's twilight posts was bad for the reasons Noraa has already given, and the excuses they're making today are just wildly implausible (not to mention, as implo said, why even make excuses for doing what you always do as town, unless you have a guilty conscience about it?)

[furtiveglance]

Umlaut

: 'Policy voting' Enchant pinged me. I wouldn't policy vote someone I thought was town. I also still think omgussing butterflies day 1 was scummy, followed by voting Progo who's slot is now town in my eyes. Seems to be pairing with implosion. I can't see implosion/Umlaut as much as I can see Enchant/Titus, but scum might not openly pair anyway.

I don't think Enchant is town. Where are you getting that I think they're town? Enchant's hammer was bad, their reaction to Dunn's twilight posts was bad for the reasons Noraa has already given, and the excuses they're making today are just wildly implausible (not to mention, as implo said, why even make excuses for doing what you always do as town, unless you have a guilty conscience about it?)

You should vote your scumreads, is the point I was making. I don't agree in principle with policy votes.

[fireisredsir]

I actually really liked implo for town based on their posting yesterday

what about it?

[Enchant]

Umlaut

: 'Policy voting' Enchant pinged me. I wouldn't policy vote someone I thought was town. I also still think omgussing butterflies day 1 was scummy, followed by voting Progo who's slot is now town in my eyes. Seems to be pairing with implosion. I can't see implosion/Umlaut as much as I can see Enchant/Titus, but scum might not openly pair anyway.

I don't think Enchant is town. Where are you getting that I think they're town? Enchant's hammer was bad, their reaction to Dunn's twilight posts was bad for the reasons Noraa has already given, and the excuses they're making today are just wildly implausible (not to mention, as implo said, why even make excuses for doing what you always do as town, unless you have a guilty conscience about it?)

Well if you want to execute me, i of course need to provide them.

You saying like i trying for jester wincon.

[butterflies]

Umlaut

: 'Policy voting' Enchant pinged me.

I wouldn't policy vote someone I thought was town

. I also still think omgussing butterflies day 1 was scummy, followed by voting Progo who's slot is now town in my eyes. Seems to be pairing with implosion. I can't see implosion/Umlaut as much as I can see Enchant/Titus, but scum might not openly pair anyway.

I don't think Enchant is town. Where are you getting that I think they're town? Enchant's hammer was bad, their reaction to Dunn's twilight posts was bad for the reasons Noraa has already given, and the excuses they're making today are just wildly implausible (not to mention, as implo said, why even make excuses for doing what you always do as town, unless you have a guilty conscience about it?)

Wait what? Does furtive have an enchant tmi read?

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

I'll catch up this afternoon/evening.

In Anything uPick, you were doing VCAs on d freaking 1, now it’s d2, where is your d1 VCA?

~Nancyfly

[furtiveglance]

Umlaut

: 'Policy voting' Enchant pinged me.

I wouldn't policy vote someone I thought was town

. I also still think omgussing butterflies day 1 was scummy, followed by voting Progo who's slot is now town in my eyes. Seems to be pairing with implosion. I can't see implosion/Umlaut as much as I can see Enchant/Titus, but scum might not openly pair anyway.

I don't think Enchant is town. Where are you getting that I think they're town? Enchant's hammer was bad, their reaction to Dunn's twilight posts was bad for the reasons Noraa has already given, and the excuses they're making today are just wildly implausible (not to mention, as implo said, why even make excuses for doing what you always do as town, unless you have a guilty conscience about it?)

Wait what? Does furtive have an enchant tmi read?

~Nancyfly

What are you accusing me of here? Being mafia I guess, but what tmi?

[Titus]

Ok the vote counts are not telling me anything. Reading time.

[Titus]

I don't think Noraa is incapable of doing this as scum but I feel quite a lot worse about the end of the wagon than the beginning of it.

Why?

[Titus]

i mean hardest to catch, yeah probably.

I am.

@Titus, why did you make this post?

~Nancyfly

I have a reputation for being good at scum when active. I am just better at either alignment when active, especially in later days. You aren't familiar with that unless an alt.

[Titus]

they've also literally done nothing before or after the quickhammer. Like their iso has strictly less content than progo's. when enchant replaced in to diffusion of power they got like, instantly locktowned by like 4 people, their town play is not hard to spot and this is not it

I can vote Enchant based on the quickhammer.

[butterflies]

Umlaut

: 'Policy voting' Enchant pinged me.

I wouldn't policy vote someone I thought was town

. I also still think omgussing butterflies day 1 was scummy, followed by voting Progo who's slot is now town in my eyes. Seems to be pairing with implosion. I can't see implosion/Umlaut as much as I can see Enchant/Titus, but scum might not openly pair anyway.

I don't think Enchant is town. Where are you getting that I think they're town? Enchant's hammer was bad, their reaction to Dunn's twilight posts was bad for the reasons Noraa has already given, and the excuses they're making today are just wildly implausible (not to mention, as implo said, why even make excuses for doing what you always do as town, unless you have a guilty conscience about it?)

Wait what? Does furtive have an enchant tmi read?

~Nancyfly

What are you accusing me of here? Being mafia I guess, but what tmi?

Policy voting a slot doesn’t necessarily mean that slot is town but unless it’s either extreme or near elo. it’s usually not a good reason to vote someone. So, you have enchant as your strongest sr but you just accused Umlaut of voting someone they think is town?

That’s how it reads to me like you maybe possibly have some tmi read on enchant.

~Nancyfly

[Titus]

guaranteed scum in enchant/implosion/umlaut imo. possibly 2. i scumread umlaut and implosion more, but i could be wrong on that

galron kinda scummy

butterflies kinda scummy, maybe, idk, hydras are hard to read

I don't like butterflies scum, but I am scumreading butterflies and implosion.

Galron is null gtmh scum.