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[April Ludgate]

All caught up (unless new posts while I'm composing this)

Current reads:
[*]Eyes without a face, [*]Nordrom/Mathblade
[*]Save The Dragons, [*]Aristeia/April Ludgate
[*]fua/Enchant, [*]Nero Cain, [*]VP Baltar
[*]fireisredsir, [*]DeasVail, [*]skitter30/Galron, [*]Cape90

Scorpious

Datisi/Titus

Frogsterking,

tenebrousluminary

Again. Frog/Tene at the bottom, who else is there? Titus.

Eyes is traitor, Frog and Tene are scum partners with a possible Scorp thrown in.

[April Ludgate]

if one is being thrown in there to throw us off, which is possible, it's in Tene/Scorp.

[April Ludgate]

there's a very good chance all 3 of those are town shots so if you are town then maf team is doing us a favor lol

Kinda where I am at and I think still elim Titus

Wagon shoulda switched to Cape when I tried and scum blantantly overruled me while trying to make it my elim.

You should really reread the thread lol. I literally hammered just to get that day over with.

But if we eliminate me, we eliminate me. Just give me a few days to get my thoughts together.

I hate you because I was about to case April like literally 30 minutes after you hammered who I am less confident on since the Nero flip, but sorta still pretty confident on.

God Nero was openwolfing in the hood, they would have been the easiest push for me today

VOTE: April Ludgate

Okay. VOTE: April

VOTE: April

Oo, Froggy Protection Posse…ACTIVATE

we been here.

Just gotta figure out which of em are the sheep. They also all actively avoid any deeper analysis on Frogster slot.

Tene was also part of the Froggy Protection Posse which has scum in it.I forgot

[April Ludgate]

given the possible partners that tene would have if he were scum here, the movement on the d1 and d2 wagons actually fit kinda perfectly

gonna be annoyed if i had it right originally and everyone convinced me tene was town. still not interested in it today but that's why he isn't quite full town for me yet

Here's the thing, you and I both had that mentality with Tene, where we were convinced he was town by other people.

That might be telling, Fire.

I think this makes me scum read Tene a little bit more now that I think about it.

Frog/Cape/Tene/Titus was my solve, and I think that would explain why I started getting more heat by Cape/Tene.

I think I was 3/4 here.

[April Ludgate]

Tene,Frog, traitor April..

Awesome, I can't win alone then.

We kill Frogster today for sure.

Eventually we deal with the Scorp/Tene duel.

Eyes last scum.

But I add in Eyes here, so I think this is a near perfect solve atm.

We're almost there.

[April Ludgate]

Scorp/Frogster/Eyes/Tene have all the Group Scum in them, could have the traitor, doesnt have to.

STD/Galron/April/DV cannot be scum together, and if scum, HAVE to be traitor.

Woo!!!! Look at that topper.

[April Ludgate]

Might consider going Eyes today because an Eyes traitor flip confirms me as town, but still think somehow Frogster can slip through in that scenario, especially if I die after becoming conf town, so gonna stick with the Frogster push.

Plus, I wanna see what Azumarill does now.

Alright, sleepy time.

[April Ludgate]

Day 6-

Math coming off really awkward today

Frogster seems to be the preferred lim for people today, slot doesn't look good.
Scorpius is looking towny compared to when I played against them as scum.
April looks townie so far
Other slots look meh, lots of talk from my predecessor.
I'm not willing to vote for StD today because of my result. I'll look for context but we can do better.

This has a decent chance of being a purposeful plant.

[April Ludgate]

Spoiler:

I am at the bottom of page 123 and

at that point

I think I have more or less developed reads that look like this:

Town reads: Nero, VP, Enchant, fire, STD, Deas

Almost-Town: Yeet, Malcolm

Can't decide: Scorp, Datisi, skitter, April, Cape

Scum leans: tene, frog

Note that these are mostly impressions although claims do play a part of it. Also names in each category are not necessarily ordered

Oh shit.

It might be Frog/Tene/Eyes, with Eyes as the traitor.

If my reads were perfect (hint: they're not) I would only lim between Scorpious, Datisi/Titus, tenebrousluminary, Frogsterking today.

Maybe I should make a stance now?

VOTE: Frogsterking

There you go.

Yeah, I think Eyes has heavy traitor potential.

Their reads were very solid if you go check their early ISO.

"if my reads were perfect"

Then it might be this, this could also mean there's an additional scum in the game.

Either way, this leads more credibility to the Frogster is scum.

If my reads were perfect (hint: they're not) I would only lim between Scorpious, Datisi/Titus, tenebrousluminary, Frogsterking today.

Maybe I should make a stance now?

VOTE: Frogsterking

There you go.

VOTE: frogster

Will do this all day. Don't care.

VOTE: frogster

Titus jumping on here makes sense as a scum partner of Frog because the wagon gains momentum, if Frog goes down, on a Vote Count it would look anti partnery. Exactly the type of thing Titus would do.

Is there anything I can say or do to stop this hideous wagon on VP from going through?

well the alternative is prob nero who you also townread

Or we can kill frog or tene

more

You're all too noisy and I'm glad I managed to get this far, so I'll claim and let someone better at making connections interpret the info

I was a 4-shot follower. My results:

N1 STD (No Action)
N2 Nero (Protective)
N3 Deas (No Action)
N4 tene (No Action)

I was mainly trying to confirm slots that didn't look like they're going to get eliminated anytime soon. Unfortunately Nero got shot at night which is something I could not have controlled or predicted.

I also thought a goon was more likely to do the kill early on so I thought the STD result was a stronger clear than say that of Deas and Deas is still a bit stronger than tene, but I'll leave that to someone who knows better

Current readlist:

[*]Eyes without a face, [*]Nordrom/Mathblade
[*]Save The Dragons, [*]DeasVail, [*]tenebrousluminary
[*]Aristeia/April Ludgate, [*]fireisredsir, [*]skitter30/Galron, [*]Cape90
[*]Frogsterking, [*]Scorpious

None of this is anything that couldn't be proven. This also gives a little protection to possible partner Tene.

This forced Tene to need to claim VT if scum.

Hmm.

these are the collection of the posts where I think Eyes Traitor is signaling to the buddies.

[April Ludgate]

Keep in mind, I have been scum multiple times with A50, and have also caught A50Scum multiple times.

[April Ludgate]

A scum team with A50/Titus knew exactly how to get me to come across poorly, and you can see it with the positioning.

Titus got me pocketed, and bookended the Malcolm and VPB wagons.

Eyes helped me get Malcolm Momentum rolling.

I was sandwiched by these two.

[April Ludgate]

It was enough to send momentum over when my flip flop reads were on the flop rather than the good flip.

Okay, for real now, nighty night.

And vote Frogster.

[April Ludgate]

Frogster/Eyes Traitor, 1 or both of Tene/Scorp.

I'd bet the game on this solve.

[MegAzumarill]

Read through (some of) Day 5

Tene looks town
April has mad charisma but I don't think they are town. Very forceful and seems to spend a lot of effort on persuasion than actually figuring out (Although I concede it is day 5)
Frogs looks not great and seems just trying to survive and going after whichever slot is the scummiest at the time.

FOS Frogs

Want to read some days when Titus was alive before I vote properly

[MathBlade]

A scum team with A50/Titus knew exactly how to get me to come across poorly, and you can see it with the positioning.

Titus got me pocketed, and bookended the Malcolm and VPB wagons.

Eyes helped me get Malcolm Momentum rolling.

I was sandwiched by these two.

Keep in mind, I have been scum multiple times with A50, and have also caught A50Scum multiple times.

Which makes it bad you don’t realize this is A50 scum game

VOTE: Meg

We should not be doing Frog today.

[MathBlade]

It's possible Traitor Eyes is trying to tie TownTene to the scum team. Hmm, yeah, I think Eyes is most likely to be the traitor, so might be a Traitor Follower.

Highly unlikely mechanically.

[MathBlade]

Before Lee Sedol (from the first Alphago matches) the greatest player of his age was Lee Changho. He was known for a peaceful calculating style, letting people get what they want and still winning anyway. It wasn't until the advent of hyperaggressive players like Lee Sedol that he could be defeated.

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Official Votecount 6.3

Frogsterking (1): tenebrousluminary

[E-4]

MegAzumarill (1): Frogsterking

[E-4]

tenebrousluminary (1): Scorpious

[E-4]

Not Voting (6): Save The Dragons, DeasVail, Galron, MegAzumarill, MathBlade, April Ludgate

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 6 will end in (expired on 2022-04-09 23:35:00).

click here for joined mod iso.

Tene Eyes April is way more likely to me considering this is possible elo and no smash hammer it’s unlikely Eyes is town.

The suggested solve from April doesn’t work for a possible elo.

We’re doing eyes. Eyes will flip group scum.

[MathBlade]

I don’t have to know the solve to know April’s solve is wrong so going to go for the most likely scum and call it a day.

[Scorpious]

I’m convinced you guys really don’t want to solve this game you just want to go in these enormous circles..

It’s beyond trite..

If you’re shooting for 10k plus posts, cool. But think about that..

There have been 8000 posts… 8000

If you don’t have votes yet. I feel bad for you

[tenebrousluminary]

This shitty distancing isn't going to work.

Are you inferring that he's distancing with me?

No, with Eyes

[tenebrousluminary]

If my reads were perfect (hint: they're not) I would only lim between Scorpious, Datisi/Titus, tenebrousluminary, Frogsterking today.

Maybe I should make a stance now?

VOTE: Frogsterking

There you go.

Yeah, I think Eyes has heavy traitor potential.

Their reads were very solid if you go check their early ISO.

"if my reads were perfect"

Then it might be this, this could also mean there's an additional scum in the game.

Either way, this leads more credibility to the Frogster is scum.

Wouldnt having good reads be poor play for a traitor?

[tenebrousluminary]

All caught up (unless new posts while I'm composing this)

Current reads:
[*]Eyes without a face, [*]Nordrom/Mathblade
[*]Save The Dragons, [*]Aristeia/April Ludgate
[*]fua/Enchant, [*]Nero Cain, [*]VP Baltar
[*]fireisredsir, [*]DeasVail, [*]skitter30/Galron, [*]Cape90

Scorpious

Datisi/Titus

Frogsterking,

tenebrousluminary

Again. Frog/Tene at the bottom, who else is there? Titus.

Eyes is traitor, Frog and Tene are scum partners with a possible Scorp thrown in.

What? Why would a traitor put the entire team at the bottom? I'm just the game winning mislim... there's not even an explanation for my moving around from him. Which is in lockstep with what Scorp is doing, incidentally.

[tenebrousluminary]

I’m convinced you guys really don’t want to solve this game you just want to go in these enormous circles..

It’s beyond trite..

If you’re shooting for 10k plus posts, cool. But think about that..

There have been 8000 posts… 8000

If you don’t have votes yet. I feel bad for you

What is trite is having not one reason to back up any of your reads 8000 posts into a game.

[Scorpious]

I’m convinced you guys really don’t want to solve this game you just want to go in these enormous circles..

It’s beyond trite..

If you’re shooting for 10k plus posts, cool. But think about that..

There have been 8000 posts… 8000

If you don’t have votes yet. I feel bad for you

What is trite is having not one reason to back up any of your reads 8000 posts into a game.

Hi again scum.. don’t you learn?

[tenebrousluminary]

Why am I scum?

You must have a great reason to be so certain!