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[JacksonVirgo]

I have explained why it is extremely likely that they are mailman irregardless of alignment, if they were scum it would require a town roleblocker, in which would not have happened, or a scum one. This be default assigns them as more likely town mechanically and the fact that they were not NKed at night pins the scum agenda as wanting to eliminate them, or they would be dead.

This fact again assigns the role of scum pushing them today, and the push was seemingly stupidly easy until I popped in meaning there was absolute no reason for scum to NOT push it. As the sole, at the time, anti-scorpwagon player it was no reaskn for scum to back out so they stayed. Meaning scum is pushing them, you and gerain have both overlooked all of my logic and when you couldn’t counter it further you both miscredit it by pushjbh me to read the game which is both not needed for this type of situation and also a double down to discredit my reads.

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i could have pushed scorpious elimination through before you arrived if you think my sole purpose was to do so, like this doesn't even make any sense

You think this is a valid counter argument? You are again overlooking all of my logic almost in entirety

no i am saying that if you think i am mafia

because i would be keen to eliminate scorpious

and that there would be no reason for scum not to do so because easy

while ignoring the fact that i also suspected scorpious yesterday and how the day begain

then why didn't i just push the wagon through, like, ...

If they claimed PR yesterday there was no way you could have as scum without open claiming scum almost. The only valid way to miselim them is what I already suspect is the likely outcome

[JacksonVirgo]

Suspecting them previously does not mean a thing

[angela]

also i disagreed with your logic as i've said many times,

i don't understand what you're even trying to say i overlooked, i certainly read your posts

When I say overlook I mean you completely set iy aside to throw a counter argument at a thing I never even really said or that isn’t my points.

Apologies if you understood wrong because of that.

But irregardless, you just say you disagree with the likelihood of one outcome rather than explain why you say its context. Which is not a valid counter argument, if it were/is you should quote what is necessary.

The logic for me is almost indisputable that they are Town.

i think your logic is flawed

it is not indisputable they are town to me

and i do not even think it is more likely than not

i said so at the time and i've said so since

that isn't overlooking it

and the counterargument is simply that i disagree, i do not think your conclusion follows from the information we have

like i don't know what you want in terms of a 'valid counter argument' or whatever

i've already talked about how i am not very good at logic or anything

i just don't see how scorpious could be 100% town to you

unless you are mafia, and then you would know i guess, shrug

[JacksonVirgo]

also i disagreed with your logic as i've said many times,

i don't understand what you're even trying to say i overlooked, i certainly read your posts

When I say overlook I mean you completely set iy aside to throw a counter argument at a thing I never even really said or that isn’t my points.

Apologies if you understood wrong because of that.

But irregardless, you just say you disagree with the likelihood of one outcome rather than explain why you say its context. Which is not a valid counter argument, if it were/is you should quote what is necessary.

The logic for me is almost indisputable that they are Town.

i think your logic is flawed

it is not indisputable they are town to me

and i do not even think it is more likely than not

i said so at the time and i've said so since

that isn't overlooking it

and the counterargument is simply that i disagree, i do not think your conclusion follows from the information we have

like i don't know what you want in terms of a 'valid counter argument' or whatever

i've already talked about how i am not very good at logic or anything

i just don't see how scorpious could be 100% town to you

unless you are mafia, and then you would know i guess, shrug

If you think so, explain why in detail. Convince me.
If you think my logic is flawed, point out what in specific and why.

Just labelling it as wrong does not help a thing.
I also never said they were 100% where did I ever say that, you keep putting words in my mouth.

[angela]

If they claimed PR yesterday there was no way you could have as scum without open claiming scum almost. The only valid way to miselim them is what I already suspect is the likely outcome

i think i maybe could have pushed scorpious elimination through yesterday and i think i probably should have as i have already said earlier today

and yet i'm still town

like i don't really understand why you think mafias would care so much about a mailman either

as enchant pointed out

[JacksonVirgo]

Take my last explanation and pull it apart. Failure to do so by avoiding will be a scum claim to me

[angela]

I also never said they were 100% where did I ever say that, you keep putting words in my mouth.

you just said indisputable????????? like what else would that mean in context

[angela]

Take my last explanation and pull it apart. Failure to do so by avoiding will be a scum claim to me

the conclusion does not follow

that's the flaw as i said

[JacksonVirgo]

If they claimed PR yesterday there was no way you could have as scum without open claiming scum almost. The only valid way to miselim them is what I already suspect is the likely outcome

i think i maybe could have pushed scorpious elimination through yesterday and i think i probably should have as i have already said earlier today

and yet i'm still town

like i don't really understand why you think mafias would care so much about a mailman either

as enchant pointed out

1. It’s an easy and almost free elimination.
2. It is a PR

Why would scum not want that

[angela]

i still don't understand what you're asking from me

[JacksonVirgo]

Take my last explanation and pull it apart. Failure to do so by avoiding will be a scum claim to me

the conclusion does not follow

that's the flaw as i said

That is not pulling apart nor explaining

[JacksonVirgo]

I also never said they were 100% where did I ever say that, you keep putting words in my mouth.

you just said indisputable????????? like what else would that mean in context

Read again

[angela]

I also never said they were 100% where did I ever say that, you keep putting words in my mouth.

you just said indisputable????????? like what else would that mean in context

Read again

sorry almost indisputable

probably some percentage in the 90s in numbers then

[angela]

Take my last explanation and pull it apart. Failure to do so by avoiding will be a scum claim to me

the conclusion does not follow

that's the flaw as i said

That is not pulling apart nor explaining

i do not understand

what you're asking me to do

[JacksonVirgo]

I also never said they were 100% where did I ever say that, you keep putting words in my mouth.

you just said indisputable????????? like what else would that mean in context

Read again

sorry almost indisputable

probably some percentage in the 90s in numbers then

The exact percentage does matter nor can I quantify

[Enchant]

How Mailman claim even affect attitude for Scorpious?

It's gray claim.

[JacksonVirgo]

Take my last explanation and pull it apart. Failure to do so by avoiding will be a scum claim to me

the conclusion does not follow

that's the flaw as i said

That is not pulling apart nor explaining

i do not understand

what you're asking me to do

Ah I see.
The post I explained again the reasoning when you said that I didn’t explain it or whatnot. Take that and quote what you disagree with and why. For example You say you believe the likihood that the claim is fake is higher than a roleblock, why.

[JacksonVirgo]

How Mailman claim even affect attitude for Scorpious?

It's gray claim.

What

[angela]

Take my last explanation and pull it apart. Failure to do so by avoiding will be a scum claim to me

the conclusion does not follow

that's the flaw as i said

That is not pulling apart nor explaining

i do not understand

what you're asking me to do

like the information we have is

scorpious is lying or was roleblocked

and your conclusion is that
scorpious is probably town and was roleblocked

and i do not think that conclusion follows from the information we have

as it seems very possible to me that scum would claim mailman, it also seems possible that mafias are informed,

all of which i've already said

[angela]

The post I explained again the reasoning when you said that I didn’t explain it or whatnot. Take that and quote what you disagree with and why. For example You say you believe the likihood that the claim is fake is higher than a roleblock, why.

because the roles don't really make sense to me if scorpious town and have to weigh chance of there being a roleblocker at all in addition to roles seeming unlikely in the first place and the claim coming under pressure and it being stressed that it was 'provable' by scorpious at the time when they claimed and it adds up to it being more likely a lie than a roleblock to me

[Enchant]

How Mailman claim even affect attitude for Scorpious?

It's gray claim.

What

If Scoprious was scummy enough to get to claim, why mailman claim changed that?

And why it still affects?

[JacksonVirgo]

Take my last explanation and pull it apart. Failure to do so by avoiding will be a scum claim to me

the conclusion does not follow

that's the flaw as i said

That is not pulling apart nor explaining

i do not understand

what you're asking me to do

like the information we have is

scorpious is lying or was roleblocked

and your conclusion is that
scorpious is probably town and was roleblocked

and i do not think that conclusion follows from the information we have

as it seems very possible to me that scum would claim mailman, it also seems possible that mafias are informed,

all of which i've already said

Ill list a few conclusions that have combined to result in my conclusion.

1. Is the claim real? If it was not, they would not have claimed it as a serious claim therefore it has to be real even if they were scum.

2. Since I concluded it was real, where is the message? If they were scum it would specifically require them blocked by a Town role, as the suspicion surrounding the ability has been in the air for so long and nobody clarified their personal influence in blocking it in addition to it being stupid to block them, it is likely not the case this happened. If they are Town there are many reasons, one of which I doubt, scum role that blocked the action maliciously or ascetic. The latter being the one I do not believe to be the case, the former is my conclusion.

3. Why were they not killed if they claim PR? This is the only conclusion that I am less than confident with as it relies on the content of day 1 and the path scum chooses. If scorp was an easy wagon going into N1, it’s an easy continual wagon in D2 if they block their action. This paired with I earlier points makes me conclude that scum wouldn’t claim it if they were not along with their action still failed without influence from a town role. Therefore this being a scum agenda is a very strong possibility

All of these conclusions are hard for me to imagine occurring outside of my conclusions , trust me I tried thinking all the ways.

What points do yoh disagree with then conclusions for and why

[angela]

How Mailman claim even affect attitude for Scorpious?

It's gray claim.

What

If Scoprious was scummy enough to get to claim, why mailman claim changed that?

And why it still affects?

pooky argued for mailman living because it could potentially find a mafia ascetic

and i thought pooky was town and didn't want to push through elimination pooky did not want

and i was feeling unsure of myself

it still affects because now there is also no message from the claimed mailman,

which makes even more likely mafia, plus information about setup gained from friendly neighbour

[JacksonVirgo]

Just realised I didn’t flesh out point 1 well. Will do so if needed

[angela]

Ill list a few conclusions that have combined to result in my conclusion.

1. Is the claim real? If it was not, they would not have claimed it as a serious claim therefore it has to be real even if they were scum.

2. Since I concluded it was real, where is the message? If they were scum it would specifically require them blocked by a Town role, as the suspicion surrounding the ability has been in the air for so long and nobody clarified their personal influence in blocking it in addition to it being stupid to block them, it is likely not the case this happened. If they are Town there are many reasons, one of which I doubt, scum role that blocked the action maliciously or ascetic. The latter being the one I do not believe to be the case, the former is my conclusion.

3. Why were they not killed if they claim PR? This is the only conclusion that I am less than confident with as it relies on the content of day 1 and the path scum chooses. If scorp was an easy wagon going into N1, it’s an easy continual wagon in D2 if they block their action. This paired with I earlier points makes me conclude that scum wouldn’t claim it if they were not along with their action still failed without influence from a town role. Therefore this being a scum agenda is a very strong possibility

All of these conclusions are hard for me to imagine occurring outside of my conclusions , trust me I tried thinking all the ways.

What points do yoh disagree with then conclusions for and why

1. they have a history of 'out there' claims as many have discussed, also could potentially be informed et cetera, though that wouldn't even be necessary though it would make it weirdly coincidental there was another message role

2. well they could have also not sent it, as has also been discussed, if actually a mafia!mailman, but as i said already that option doesn't seem so likely to me