Umlaut's Mini Normal Review, March 2022

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ego

will think about this in a little bit

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good thing i'm the primary

at first glance, i think i would call this setup scumsided. the traitor-enabler bodyguard is a really neat idea (imho) but with there being only one vig shot and no other town killing abilities, i think it's decently likely to not come in play.

the doctor checker knows if they've been roleblocked, which is a cool feature but i don't think it greatly adds to town power.

there's also no the usual drawback of "traitor gets endgamed if the other two scum are dead" either. i guess town does get the knowledge of there being a traitor and is able to start hunting for traitor signals specifically, though.

what was the intention behind having the traitor be informed of the detective?

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giving the JoaT an additional vig shot

i don't think this is even legal?

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i think mastina is thinking of one of my recent reviews for georgebailey, where i proposed a traitor + double traitor enabler scumteam or something, and you agreed to that being a Normal(tm) interaction, but the setup was really fucky otherwise so we ended up scrapping it

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uh, my first thought on vengeful "oh god no"

i think i'm definitely in favour of getting some more vig action going, rather than vengefuls

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i mean, i don't have any problems with it, to the contrary i would like to see a game run with a traitor enabler

i'll sit down to figure out these new proposals in a bit

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1x mafia roleblocker
1x mafia traitor-enabler bodyguard
1x mafia informed traitor

1x town detective
1x town joat (follower, hider)
1x town combined doctor checker
1x town non-consecutive night vigilante
6x vt

this is what is being discussed currently, right?

my first thought is instead of adding a cop shot to the joat, to add a gunsmith shot. though i'd want to ask a second opinion first because it might be my lizard brain seeing a few false results for the gunsmith and trying to run with it.

under the assumption that you add a gunsmith shot to the joat, i would say that the above is somewhere in the scumsided-to-balanced range, but i definitely want to hear what mastina thinks first. agreed that a cop shot might be more... standard? but outright cops just don't feel great anymore.

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i went by the logic that a disabled traitor has a gun. because they get added to the main scumteam. and can kill.

i feel like i have seen a setup where the scenario in 17 could have happened and the result would've been that the role doesn't have a gun, or a traffic-analyst-equvalent... but i'm not sure where, and i might be making it up since i have not been sleeping a lot these past few days.

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yeah, uh, even i agree gunsmith is a bad choice for this now, and that's saying something.

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a rolecop shot for the joat would be a kind-of-a-cop-shot-but-not-really, and neapolitan shot would be, well, a neapolitan shot. both are weaker than an actual cop, but both feel... not horrible here?

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i don't have an issue with either 2 investigatives + 2 protective shots, or 3 investigatives + something else for the joat. so depends on which one would you prefer, umlaut.

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1x mafia roleblocker
1x mafia traitor-enabler bodyguard
1x mafia informed traitor (knows there's 4 tprs, one of which is a detective)

1x town detective
1x town joat (rolecop, follower, rolestopper, commuter)
1x town combined doctor checker
1x town non-consecutive night vigilante
6x vt

this? rolestopper also seems fine to me to add into the joat here. unless mastina sees anything that's wrong with this setup, i'd pass it.

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we're keeping mafia multitasking being on by default, right? if so, i would specify in the mafia role pm's that they can both take their action and perform the factional kill in the same night, since i feel like people often overlook the setup-specific rules, and having multitasking is not the default.

everything else looks fine to me.

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mentioning multitasking in the first post of the mafia pt is fine.

/pass