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[Datisi]

You do realize if I’m scum I could literally just say any name and it wouldn’t change anything.

yes it would if anyone has info that could cc you.

[Datisi]

i wonder if the fact that fua is attempting to push skitter while ignoring me (while the two of us are doing almost the same thing) has anything to do with the fact that skitter is more likely to be yeeted and has more supporters than i do...

[Datisi]

do i not have internet? are my posts not going through? is this all a dream?

[Datisi]

nero, stop twisting my words, i said i didn't believe that there *has* to be scum in the hood because every mod with more than half a brain cell makes a setup that punishes mindless setup "specc"

i had independent townreads on all hood members at least for a part of d1

[Datisi]

what are your reads o the hood members now?

you're still scummy, probably still townie on skitter and baltar, cape needs a reread, i'll be doing that when i'm back from my vla tomorrow

[Datisi]

Why am I scummy?

your yesterday's flip on aristeia is icky, the constant pushing on the hood is weird, and the preframing me wrt the hood for not following the setup specc is concerning

[Datisi]

you started pushing first that there was scum in the hood long before any of that got revealed, and wasn't your reason "bc 4p hood"?

i owe both of them a reread anyway so i won't be going to great lengths to argue about this atm, but that isn't the feel i got yesterday

[Datisi]

broke: skitter v fua is svs
woke: baltar v malcolm is svs

(no, i don't actively scumread either of them atm, but this convo feels kinda odd at least from skimming... like, discussing things in a more detailed manner than it would be natural to? idk lole)

[Datisi]

Datisi, what do you think of cape?

was townie early then fell off

eod play was obviously not great but that's a very shallow answer

i will provide a fuller answer in the next 36-48 business hours, really need my vla this week >_>

[Datisi]

IDK, I really hate that they didn't claim the target and I think Datisi makes some OK arguments around scum motivation for that.

they claimed they shot at fire, right? ngl, part of me thought maybe that's the sk who got blocked and didn't wanna claim because they didn't wanna fakeclaim in case someone has info on them, but also didn't wanna trueclaim because what vig shoots fire lmfao

but probably not that likely i guess

[Datisi]

I very often get scum read because I'm a little direct with people in games (and I'm convinced my avi makes people sus of me). It happens regardless of alignment. Datisi has played with me a ton and can verify.

without knowing the context, this statement in isolation is indeed correct

also i have about 20 minutes of brainpower before my brain runs out of battery and i pass out so does anyone want me to look at something and give my spicy hot takes

[Datisi]

Me is Me.

baba is you.

also ok will do math give me a few mins to boot my shitty laptop up

[Datisi]

ok, my bitch ass laptop decided to not connect to the internet so phoneskimming time

looking at scorp's iso in isolation (lol), definitely a scum contender. this dude has done jack shit all game. i think the tell i made on him on d1, that he's not even TRYING to appear townie, is valid, but not insanely so as he was aware that refuge in audacity is a possible defense.

i can def see scorp being scum *if* the rest of his team in a pretty good position. because i think scum is more likely to be lazy if the game seems to be going fine, or if it seems like their partners have it together. (thought goes to umlaut in that one mini normal where he started being lazy when mathblade replaced into his team)

as said, if he'd scum, i think we're lowkey fucked since that prob means there's some deepwolves or powerwolves or whatever. i think nero is a strong contender should scorp flip red; other than fitting with my bullshit gamestate reads, i think he also tried to make an eyes wagon a thing when math was trying to wagon scorp?

also, the fact that (1) there is absolutely nothing townie about scorp (2) there's still practically no wagon on him despite that and despite a MASON pushing him makes me feel like the game isn't a fan of his wagon (though i'd have to run another check to see if anyone was actually properly pulling away from him)

so, like, in total? 6.5/10, my gamestate reads aren't always great, but i would not mind a wagon here

[Datisi]

so like, i want to kill enchant because i don't think fua's entrance sjows an uninformed mindset but i will vote scorp if i feel like it

10 minutes of brainpower left btw, what else can i do

[Datisi]

2) if that list is all town, would maf team still roleblock them? not sure on this one, that's why I'm asking the crowd

the answer to this is a very loud YES

even if the vig shot hits town, (1) it hits town that was scummy and was likely to be able to be pushed during the day and waste everyone's time (2) it confirms the vigilante as conftown (3) another extra death or a save grants the town an extra yeet

like, any scumteam with a basic understanding of game mechanics absolutely blocks a vigilante

the only way a vig shot isn't +town is if the vig hits someone like an ic (i did that as a vig once lmao) which is decently unlikely to happen

[Datisi]

VOTE: scorp

i don't think policying ascetics is like, *a thing*

[Datisi]

i've been playing for almost 3 years and i have never seen anyone actually policy a miller

[Datisi]

Hood people what happened in your hood overnight?

Nero pushed me to talk about reads. I told him I'm not doing that in a hood with a potential scum, and that it was kinda antitown to push it repeatedly.

That was all.

I doubt the hood is gonna get used much until we descum it

oh yeah, this discussion was A Thing

my unsolicited opinion is that pushing for reads in a hood where you suspect there might be scum is indeed antitown because scum don't need that info, same as outing new reads in twilight

[Datisi]

Nero pushed me to talk about reads. I told him I'm not doing that in a hood with a potential scum

seems like a cop out

actually on that train of thought

do you think vp has been quiet on his reads? if not, then this shade feels... misplaced

[Datisi]

i would never!!!

[Datisi]

okay, datisi brain time is over

wednesdays are hell for me, so i'll read d2 proper in the evening, try to not shit out 40 pages and/or kill someone by then pls k thx goodnight

[Datisi]

Did you not read overnight at all?

oh hey, this reminds me of the fact that scorpious entered the day complaining about how many pages there are and how he didn't read, after a period of 48 hours where there we absolutely no posts, isn't that wild haha

[Datisi]

ackchually i don't think there's a huge difference between someone who didn't read because they didn't read the game and someone who didn't read because they just replaced in not reading throughout the night, but this seems like an unproductive conversation and i'm sorry everyone is latching onto that, i was hoping it was gonna spark a more productive convo elsewhere

it made sense in my head okay

[Datisi]

math, how much were you pushing for a scorpious wagon in the past ~8 hours? and has he posted anything that can be even remotely called townie?

[Datisi]

my standards are usually higher than "making some sort of effort" >_>

sell me on your current vote?

[Datisi]

yeah those posts are Not Great, some of them felt off to me at the start as well, especially the early ones, and i'd need to read back for the context of 1486 because fuck if i remember right now (the post *feels* like it should be ai, but uhh)

the convenience point is big if true but i need to do some digging myself for that which is not happening now but it will be happening soon(tm)

tenebro, have you explained why you think scorp isn't scum? pls link/quote if you have

[Datisi]

the "self-consciousness" is scummy if coming from a new player, but nai if coming from an experienced player, and they've claimed they're experienced so /shrug

[Datisi]

i definitely got some experienced vibes from some of their posts, so yeah, i don't see why not. "experienced in mafia" is a very wide descriptor.

[Datisi]

tenebro, have you explained why you think scorp isn't scum? pls link/quote if you have

3014 3016

ehhh. i guess. not knowing math is confirmed is very easily fakeable (and he was obviously gonna fake not knowing shit, if going by his entry posts) and the vt claim is wifom more than not

i don't really find his posts genuine sounding but eh

are you still on vpb? what's the case against him currently?

[Datisi]

Now I’ve read a lot of this game now.

Where is it made fact that Mathblade is town?

actually, the hilarity of these two sentences being right next to each other makes me feel like it's more likely scorp is scum playing up his "oh no gais i'm sorry i'm not caught up " but idk who knows maybe i'm just scum cherrypicking from his iso

[Datisi]

i said that some of the posts fire linked are scummy if coming from a new player but nai if coming from an experienced one. "experienced in mafia" is exactly what it says on the tin, someome who has played a decent amount of games so that they are comfortable in the game making posts that are, on first look, "awkward". it doesn't mean that their posts have to be amazing or that their reads have to have a certain level of accuracy. all it means is that it's someone comfortable in the game posting how they wish without freezing from the pressure they may get from it. that make sense?

[Datisi]

and my bus ride is over, catch y'all in some 10-12 hours

[Datisi]

for one, that they kept/keep posting with the same or lower level of "awkwardness" despite catching heat, a newer player would've cracked. i'll to through their iso later to give specific examples of things that struck me as experienced if you'd like

[Datisi]

by cracked i usually mean freeze and stop posting, but it can also be someone obvscuming to the point where anyone with a quarter of a brain could see the person's scum. the fact that neither of the two happened yet tells me they're probably not going to happen.

[Datisi]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88600

laplacian from my last game is a decent example, i think

[Datisi]

who do you *do* want to vote?

[Datisi]

because at a certain level of experience, it becomes a reflection of personality rather than alignment.

[Datisi]

VOTE: frogster

not loving the fact that it feels like everyone and their mother is defending scorp, but let's see what happens here

[Datisi]

something something information gathering

his wagon is obviously not happening right now, so i'm prob not learning anything else from it

while i on first look don't like that his wagon is so dead, that's still a very surface level conclusion that i need to think about a bit more, and i can always come back to it if i want

pedit: @baltar

[Datisi]

every time i have seen town and scum shoved into those two categories, i've seen them shoved into the opposite ones, so that's a curious post

[Datisi]

i've always seen town be described as the ones willing to jump around and change their mind, while scum are the ones that are overly worried with their image and trajectories and all that

[Datisi]

since when does there have to be a case to pressure someone?

"i can't remember a single scumread frogs has" is my case

[Datisi]

also wasn't Frog like lowkey suspected d1 for having some super funky logic? Doesn't that match up with your town meta on him?

suspected by whom?

[Datisi]

so, like, in total? 6.5/10, my gamestate reads aren't always great, but i would not mind a wagon here

what does a 6.5/10 mean?

official datisi rating of the scorpious wagon

btw can we kill enchant pls he's like blatantly scum who's coasting on a bullshit vig claim

[Datisi]

I am almost on board with this, but Enchant was kinda scummy the last game we played with them.

i used to be one of the people that said "enchant is always obvscum wtf"

then i had two (2) games where i correctly townread enchant as obvtown

hint: he's not being obvtown here >_>

[Datisi]

btw can we kill enchant pls he's like blatantly scum who's coasting on a bullshit vig claim

you could have like kept your vote there instead of throwing your vote around to try to mimic how you think town plays.

sorry i was too busy getting shit on for scumreading a non-proven scummy vig claim by a dancing jesus that i didn't realize i should be still voting there

[Datisi]

What if Deas is just town and Skitter is the scum thats piggybacking off a not great theory?

HEM died. Agree with the sorta slow day but between us all this game is just gonna get more bloated.

I think I am of the opposite side where I'm more suspicious of Skitter/Dats attacking Fua right out of the gate.

there were more posts that were *technically* aimed at skitter but i think the general sentiment of "voting fua bad" is evident

[Datisi]

If you felt like he's sum then I have no clue why you'd unvote other than the fact that you think that "town play" is throwing around your vote.

*they

because if my choices are (1) vote who i think is scum on a dead wagon that isn't going anywhere and nobody wants to vote with me (2) vote someone else who might be scum and at least gain more information that way, i pick (2) every time

i always "throw my vote around" so i don't appreciate the shade k thx

[Datisi]

VOTE: enchant

[Datisi]

if i had a dollar for every nonsense argument for why i'm scum that has been made this game, i'd have enough money to get a therapist to get me unaddicted from mafia

[Datisi]

Mayne we get lucky and lim the scum RB in that scenario though, which would be a point against an enchant lim

plot twist: enchant IS the scum roleblocker

[Datisi]

one day i'll have my fuechant wagon
one day

VOTE: scorpious

[Datisi]

Why are you vote flopping so much? Like what is that achieving?

my current point with the votes (other than leaving landmarks for future!datisi to go through) is gathering information. either by actually building a wagon or seeing who's against it. whatever wagon i get on, someone pops in from the aether to convince everyone that that wagon is Bad, Actually. even if none of the reactions are immediately useful to me, they might be in the future.

[Datisi]

datisi what are your VP thoughts? last i remember you slightly townleaned on him, is that still true and if so why?

he's Fine, I Guess (subject to change). from what i've read of the arguments against him, none of them were actually any good ("didn't wanna give reads in the hood therefore scum" is yikes) but i haven't yet had the time to sit down and read the big posts, and i'm still missing a good chuck of d2. will do so tonight.

[Datisi]

okay, i've made about half of the powerpoint i need to do by saturday, i'm overcaffeinated, let's see

there were 3 quick votes on wu by me, vp, and monkey (i think? i'm not going back to check again) and nero didn't really say anything despite definitely being around and still being willing to hammer. need to check what his reason earlier today was for shading the 3 quick votes on frogs, but if it wasn't anything more nuanced than "quick votes bad", it'll be hmm

2435 is definitely a post scum!me would make in order to go "ackchually i didn't know it was hammer i didn't count hehehe" and my short history of playing with cape tells me he is the kind of person who *would* be paying attention to how many votes there are on someone, anyway

still hate 2442 because whyyy would you be assuming there was a doctor on the person you scumread that you shot but whatever

the discussion from the start of the day up to where fua ragequits makes me wanna bang my head against a wall

broke: skitter v fua is svs

i'd be voting him at that point probably - i especially don't like stuff like 2609
woke: baltar v malcolm is svs

(no, i don't actively scumread either of them atm, but this convo feels kinda odd at least from skimming... like, discussing things in a more detailed manner than it would be natural to? idk lole)

Eh I don't reckon I'd have any incentive to push mafia VP at the moment, they've come in for some heat but not enough for it to be beneficial for a prospective teammate to come in and put pressure on them.

my feelings about the productivity of this conversation remain the same, though i see now it was moreso kept up by malcolm rather than baltar...

malcolm, what are your thoughts on baltar actually? (link if you've talked about it in the next 20 pages.) did you actually learn anything productive from this conversation?

Datisi, what do you think of cape?

if i were there now, i'd be voting cape. 2610 feels like a "how DARE you question me on my speedy lolhammer you SCUMFUCK" shadethrowing when it's like, quite obvious why he should be getting questioned for it, the defensiveness feels unusual because like, obviously he's getting shit for it

and i think it's unlikely cape/malcolm are s/s because i have a hard time imagining two scumbuddies deciding to do this weird lowkey shade but not really push thing on the same person one right after the other

bottom of page 106, be back in a bit

[Datisi]

i did not say you were >_>

[Datisi]

there were 3 quick votes on wu by me, vp, and monkey (i think? i'm not going back to check again) and nero didn't really say anything despite definitely being around and still being willing to hammer

????

baltar, monkey, and i voted back to back in 2388, 2389, 2390. you posted at 2398, 2399, 2401, 2410, 2414, etc. where you did not say anything negative about the fact that there were 3 quick votes in succession on generalwu, and you even mentioned that you would be willing to hammer in 2410. this does NOT mean "nero was around when generalwu got hammered". so it doesn't seem like you have huge problems with quick voting in general. so once i get to the present, i need to see why you were negatively talking about the 3 quick voted on frogster earlier, and compare if the mindsets match up or note.

[Datisi]

are you purposefully trying to piss me off?

i'm saying you did not say anything negative about vp/monkey/me voting in quick succession yesterday, but did say something about vp/me/yeet voting in quick succession today. and that i need to compare the two situations to see if there's an underlying consistent mindset or if you're an opportunistic scumfuck.

[Datisi]

boys, relax, i can have multiple lawyers

looks like i might need them lmao

[Datisi]

2675 made me laugh at few points but otherwise it no be good case - i have thoughts on why the latter part of the post is really nai but i don't think it's a line of conversation that actually goes anywhere useful because mafia theory so whatever

I really doubt the threadstate would have changed that much within those 2 days or whatever it was that we had left

you mean like it totally hadn't changed with math and monkey and fua right? because there's no such thing that could shift the gamestate instantly riiight?

This game is really just that easy

Well then the other one better be scum since its so easy .. Cause I ain't

VOTE: VP Baltar

do you have a read on ANY of the players involved in this discussion?

2692 - ok probably at most one scum in baltar/cape/scorpious

Did you plan on responding to its substance, or just shading Cape for writing it?

I'll look at it in depth and with good faith when I have a moment (which is not now). That being said, I am extremely skeptical a person puts that much effort into a giant post and doesn't vote. It's a failure of being timid as scum.

this is interesting since i recall when in a previous game cape and i were t/t and he made a similarly-sounding huge wallcase on why i'm scum and i think i did get voted there, and then i got unvoted 5 minutes later because lol but like point being

cape, i'd like to hear your reasons on that mindshift or like your general thought process there

ok, my eyes are glazing over, i don't think this is working anymore exactly

i am kind of curious about fire (and if anyone else said it) comment that towns are towning because that's really not the vibe i'm getting from the game, at least around the 110's pages - i feel like every second post is filled with either crappy logic or icky push that makes me feel like we're not gonna have a good time

up to pg 112, why is std one of my stronger townreads on d2 what the fuck is this game

[Datisi]

can you answer *my* question though?

[Datisi]

That's too bad because I really like the composition of the wagon on luminary.

who do you *do* want to vote?

[Datisi]

You played one game with me so clearly you can deduce that what you are saying is complete hogwash yeah? It really isn't super convenient on this site to just see who voted what, also I really wouldn't expect such a heavy shift in votes when we were not even near EoD. It was very easy to keep track of the votes in the normal blitz game, but I was literally just on a constant catch up mode for most of this entire game. Should I have looked? Yes. I knew that they received like some votes, like I was thinking 2 or 3 more, not hecking 6 others.
your play that game felt much more careful and planning than what you need to be selling here in order for me to believe you're town.

So I keep seeing a bunch of people be like "oh what Cape did has clear scum motivation!" Does it? I don't think it does, what would I try to accomplish with an early hammer? Is Yeet my scum partner? The thread wasn't even suspicious of my slot until I hammered. If I am mafia, this only hurts me unless like Yeet is my scumpartner right? I really don't see my scum motivation there, also I BET one of you would have lolhammered that if not me, just saying, and it wouldn't mean shit probably.

gee, what is the scum motivation in lolhammering an UNCLAIMED slot? i have no clue. no clue at all. definitely not like we've had 3 wagons fall apart previously due to claims.

Also, let's think about why I would post 2 messages after a vote has been achieved on someone. I mean, I think this would be against the rules under normal circumstances yeah? But obviously I just

knew

I hammered the vote. Flawless logic I must say. Anyway Datisi the votes say you are mafia, I don't think your content particularly does, also you seem adamant on following my votes despite your laughable suspicion of me, so you are pinging me my good friend.

posting in twilight isn't against the rules so that whole point, whatever it was, is moot.

how do "the votes" say i'm mafia lmao?

Also Datisi, I kinda see this and I think your full of it, your cocky

i'm cocky yeah

how is that scummy?

[Datisi]

i fucked up that quote oops

[Datisi]

You played one game with me so clearly you can deduce that what you are saying is complete hogwash yeah? It really isn't super convenient on this site to just see who voted what, also I really wouldn't expect such a heavy shift in votes when we were not even near EoD. It was very easy to keep track of the votes in the normal blitz game, but I was literally just on a constant catch up mode for most of this entire game. Should I have looked? Yes. I knew that they received like some votes, like I was thinking 2 or 3 more, not hecking 6 others.

your play that game felt much more careful and planning than what you need to be selling here in order for me to believe you're town.

So I keep seeing a bunch of people be like "oh what Cape did has clear scum motivation!" Does it? I don't think it does, what would I try to accomplish with an early hammer? Is Yeet my scum partner? The thread wasn't even suspicious of my slot until I hammered. If I am mafia, this only hurts me unless like Yeet is my scumpartner right? I really don't see my scum motivation there, also I BET one of you would have lolhammered that if not me, just saying, and it wouldn't mean shit probably.

gee, what is the scum motivation in lolhammering an UNCLAIMED slot? i have no clue. no clue at all. definitely not like we've had 3 wagons fall apart previously due to claims.

Also, let's think about why I would post 2 messages after a vote has been achieved on someone. I mean, I think this would be against the rules under normal circumstances yeah? But obviously I just

knew

I hammered the vote. Flawless logic I must say. Anyway Datisi the votes say you are mafia, I don't think your content particularly does, also you seem adamant on following my votes despite your laughable suspicion of me, so you are pinging me my good friend.

posting in twilight isn't against the rules so that whole point, whatever it was, is moot.

how do "the votes" say i'm mafia lmao?

Also Datisi, I kinda see this and I think your full of it, your cocky

i'm cocky yeah

how is that scummy?

[Datisi]

Anyway, what is the mindshift?

the mindshift where you voted me very easily in that blitz game, and hell voted generalwu very easily on d1, but seemed very timid in actually playing a vote down on baltar

[Datisi]

If anyone cares, my strongst scum reads right now are VP, Cape,and Datisi...

give me one reason why these aren't just random 3 names you pulled out of a hat

@nero, do you actually have any reason for scumreading me other than me not accepting your "hood therefore must scum" idea as gospel?

[Datisi]

You're scum reading Dats now?

i feel like you're a few pages behind schedule

VOTE: cape

[Datisi]

You are obviously posturing and I don't think you believe the words you are saying, you are forcing out something onto me. You literally have jumped on like 2 wagons with me today around the same time too! i struggle how you are believing in real thoughts. Also it really looks like you have your sight set on just multiple people all at once with somehow even less direction then me, and yet you shade me for being directionless?

(1) i sometimes vote along my scumreads if i think i might be wrong on someone in the mix so "you voted against me is nonsense" (2) even if that were valid, i read your late d1/early d2 play like 2 hours ago, which was long AFTER i voted alongside you so what's your point

i'm not shading you for being "directionless", i'm shading you for the scummy hammer, and for the weird acting around baltar early on today

Anyway, what is the mindshift?

the mindshift where you voted me very easily in that blitz game, and hell voted generalwu very easily on d1, but seemed very timid in actually playing a vote down on baltar

It should be very obvious after the blitz game why I would be hesitant voting someone after a big wallpost I made

considering you, right after you voted me there, went back, reevaluated (something i don't see here at all!!), came to the right conclusion, unvoted, AND got townread from it, i don't really see a reason why that experience should've been discouraging you from voting sorry

[Datisi]

Can you explain for me? I wasn't in that game.

less than 24 hours on the clock for d1, cape makes a huge wallcase on me and votes me. five minutes later (with nobody's input), he unvotes me because he went back and realized something i said actually made sense from a town pov and he might be wrong. cape got immediately townread for the case>reeval (the case itself was rly bad though), and we ended up yeeting both scum d1 and d2.

[Datisi]

Datisi also seems to love throwing around this very ironic word "opportunistic" when they only said that word once in the blitz game. Datisi's play has been riddled with oddities around this section of the game and.

(1) my iso in that game is 69 (nice) posts long, here it's 270 posts
(2) i have said the word "opportunistic" just once this game too...

[Datisi]

how does that strengthen it for THIS GAME?

pedit: @frogs

[Datisi]

prob b/c he keep throwing your vote around with VP so you can argue "scum wouldn't do that.

i'm not arguing "scum wouldn't do that"
i'm arguing "i do that as town, it's nai"

i'm gonna go to bed i'm actually getting annoyed with the game now

[Datisi]

how does that strengthen it for THIS GAME?

pedit: @frogs

Because that story sounds similar to their play here

explain this to me like i'm 5.

please.

[Datisi]

I think Dats was trying to say that I'm "scummy" for still being willing to vote Wu after Hem/he/VP quick voted but I think I had already said I'd hammer Wu before the rapd votes and it was already a bloated 9p+ pages.

what part of "nero didn't react to a hem/dat/vp triple vote on d1 but did react to a yeet/dat/vp triple vote on d2, that's potentially suspicious" is so fucking difficult to understand?

[Datisi]

6. I think Datisi voting with me is still weird because they had reason to have doubt on my slot before they read into me, so why follow me on 2 votes?

(1) why are you acting as if making a vote with you on d2 is some sorta blood pact that means i am locktown on you and may never vote someone else until you do?

(2) and what are those reasons for me to have doubt on you? i don't remember scumreading you for your d1 play, so.

[Datisi]

i see my own name being brought up

do you wanna talk, math?

[Datisi]

ah alright, sure

i don't see why town!me implies some grand powerwolves since i recall not agreeing with your vca theories but what else is new

[Datisi]

v/la 24 hours

ended up falling ill, and i'm not able to think. i'll see if i feel better tomorrow.

[Datisi]

Save The Dragons, Mafia Bulletproof Traitor
---
April Ludgate, Vanilla Townie

i am shocked

SHOCKED I TELL YOU

i was 1000000% sure ari was the traitor and that she was repeatedly softing to me

[Datisi]

Save The Dragons, Mafia Bulletproof Traitor
---
April Ludgate, Vanilla Townie

i am shocked

SHOCKED I TELL YOU

i was 1000000% sure ari was the traitor and that she was repeatedly softing to me

[Datisi]

skitter30 murderizes humaneatingmonkey
datisi aliens fua
eyes without a face targets save the dragons

placeholder for now

std feels like, a little bit *too* quiet, i know it's a fast game and all that but i can't help but wonder

i sent skitter out because i think it's more likely she gets investigated by the psychologist than that frogster does. you are free to change the kill into frogster doing it if you disagree.

and yeah, the information does not get revealed to town, should skitter flip.

lol on pr-reading the traitor and omegalol on knowing who to send out to do the kill

[Datisi]

@mod, no redactions in the scum pt from me, thank you and duckie very much for modding, i had a blast while i was here (and once again sorry for repping out)

@ari, <3

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town with too many power roles complains about not having even more power, what else is new

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I think all of Frogster/Galron/Eyes slots were very elimmable off just dayplay and if town had focussed on that without any mech considerations they should've won this game.

this is kind of a very bad argument because if town really played "without any mech considerations", they would've elim'd through two masons and a vigilante.

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I feel the game was mechanically very skewed against scum as scum shot PRs every single night - Mason, Doctor, Psych, TA, Mason, Vig and still barely won with a [3/7 cleared pool] and very little room to breathe.

this is in addition to the fact that both investigatives hit false negatives on night 1. i think in majority of other scenarios, this game is won for town via power roles.

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i mean like, in this game, scum played well in a sense that:

(1) we outed 3 major power roles on day 1
(2) used our one and only blocking role to block the vigilante, and then that vigilante shot the bulletproof traitor
(3) both investigatives hit a false inno on n1
(4) scum shot a power role each and every night

and it STILL resulted in a 7p yelo where 3 people were confirmed not groupscum. like. what. i'm sorry but like what is scum supposed to *do* here.

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i mean you *could* argue "well, masons and neighbours are false positives for the traffic analyst!!!" but (1) scum then get punished for doing the Good Scum Play of outing town's power roles (masons), the entire hood got outed early anyway -- and i don't think this is a very unlikely scenario to happen, since hood almost ALWAYS get outed very early sincle people just have that gut reaction of outing them early, and i feel like the reviewers know this

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there was supposed to be a (2) there^^ as a point of hood being outed early

i mean like i get that 5 scum in a 19p game is a lot of social influence (and it is definitely my fault for heavily misreading who the traitor is) but the town's mechanical counterplay just turns the game into... i dunno, feeling suffocating.

maybe mountainous really is the way idk

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role that can get hard guilties on scum and that punishes good scum play of outing the vigilante, in addition of being harder to get elim'd just by virtue of being a power role

"probably neutral for town"

dude i'm sorry but what

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i manage to scumread ari even when i am scum >_>