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[JacksonVirgo]

I dont personally think scum is in the investigative bullshittery. But just to keep a wide scope.

[angela]

Please no votes, before anyone gets eliminated I need to say who I am going to investigate so angela can work with that.
I am open to suggestions on who it should be

I am travelling most of today so can't post, but we have days to sort this out so I am in rush.

I need by someone cleverer than me to be told what to do

we need you to check either nero cain or rathe

same result either way

[angela]

Angela is just as much in the investigative bullshittery as gerain is.

i am not

game is just what i explained

we can probably follow the steps from here

[angela]

I really think you guys need to take into account me being on STD on D1. Mafia simply does not do that. I'll dig out later but I consistently pushed STD on D1 too and stayed firmly off the NM bandwagon. Again - what's the benefit to mafia in doing that?

are you just arguing to not go first? or do you disagree with the solve somehow?

[angela]

or do you disagree with the solve somehow?

and if you disagree with the solve could you explain where it is wrong to you

because it is hard to think of any situations where it does not work always

outside of a second roleblocker, and even that leads to 50/50

[angela]

if malcolmtucker mafia, town wins yay

and if malcolmtucker town

then if geraintm dies in the night
eliminate nero cain
if nero cain mafia, town wins yay
if nero cain town, eliminate rathe, rathe has to be mafia in that situation, so town wins yay

if geraintm does not die in the night
then geraintm returns a result
if geraintm checks outside of nero cain/rathe or claims no result
eliminate geraintm
if geraintm town, then was roleblocked or targeted ascetic, 50/50 between nero cain/rathe, this is only possible non-solved to me, and it is unlikely because it would require another mafia role,

if geraintm returns an innocent,
eliminate the other of the two possibles,
if other is mafia, yay town wins
if other is town, eliminate geraintm, yay town wins

if geraintm returns a guilty,
eliminate the guilty
if mafia, yay town wins
if town, eliminate geraintm, yay town wins

[JacksonVirgo]

Angela is just as much in the investigative bullshittery as gerain is.

i am not

game is just what i explained

we can probably follow the steps from here

You most definitely are. Why would you not be

[JacksonVirgo]

if malcolmtucker mafia, town wins yay

and if malcolmtucker town

then if geraintm dies in the night
eliminate nero cain
if nero cain mafia, town wins yay
if nero cain town, eliminate rathe, rathe has to be mafia in that situation, so town wins yay

if geraintm does not die in the night
then geraintm returns a result
if geraintm checks outside of nero cain/rathe or claims no result
eliminate geraintm
if geraintm town, then was roleblocked or targeted ascetic, 50/50 between nero cain/rathe, this is only possible non-solved to me, and it is unlikely because it would require another mafia role,

if geraintm returns an innocent,
eliminate the other of the two possibles,
if other is mafia, yay town wins
if other is town, eliminate geraintm, yay town wins

if geraintm returns a guilty,
eliminate the guilty
if mafia, yay town wins
if town, eliminate geraintm, yay town wins

This is assuming that you are Town, which sure I believe as of right now but that's also because I believe the scum to be in Rathe/Nero/Malcom. Gerain is in the PoE because of their claim and yours in combination, and because of that you are also in that.

If you are scum, you're playing well by just shutting out the idea as stupidity but it's not. I don't think so but it'd be smart.

[angela]

You most definitely are. Why would you not be

because it accomplishes nothing other than unsolving a solved game to

like my fake claiming there would have been ridiculous anyway as already discussed

i'm a night 1/2/3 tracker

i tracked scorpious night 1, who did not target anyone,

already claimed this result and will find the post where i said as much so we can just stop with the 'what if angela tho'

i tracked malcolmtucker night 2, who did not target anyone,

i tracked jacksonvirgo night 3, who did not target anyone

[JacksonVirgo]

You most definitely are. Why would you not be

because it accomplishes nothing other than unsolving a solved game to

like my fake claiming there would have been ridiculous anyway as already discussed

i'm a night 1/2/3 tracker

i tracked scorpious night 1, who did not target anyone,

already claimed this result and will find the post where i said as much so we can just stop with the 'what if angela tho'

i tracked malcolmtucker night 2, who did not target anyone,

i tracked jacksonvirgo night 3, who did not target anyone

That is purely, and I mean purely, just from your own perspective. It is not unsolving a solve, because you could very much be just scum.

Also, why would you track a claimed mailman considering the exact role of what they claim.

[angela]

already claimed this result and will find the post where i said as much so we can just stop with the 'what if angela tho'

Again I'm still fundamentally not getting how we can be unsure whether Kitty is neighbour or not if you received a message informing you of this from them. And if you were uncertain, why the immediate trust for their claim at the start of D2 vs distrust of Scorpious? You both seem to absolutely be trusting Kitty's claim while also admitting there's nothing which says it is definitively town?

a) i do not know they actually sent it, though scorpious did not unless scorpious is also a ninja,
b) already explained that the paranoia creeped in later, and if you go back and read through the day you can see when that happened, as i stated it pretty much immediately after it happened
c) i became uncertain but it still seems notably more likely than not to me

here you go

a) is my claiming my result on scorpious unambiguously

[JacksonVirgo]

like my fake claiming there would have been ridiculous anyway as already discussed

It wouldn't be as you can already win as scum even without me as a clear.

[JacksonVirgo]

already claimed this result and will find the post where i said as much so we can just stop with the 'what if angela tho'

Again I'm still fundamentally not getting how we can be unsure whether Kitty is neighbour or not if you received a message informing you of this from them. And if you were uncertain, why the immediate trust for their claim at the start of D2 vs distrust of Scorpious? You both seem to absolutely be trusting Kitty's claim while also admitting there's nothing which says it is definitively town?

a) i do not know they actually sent it, though scorpious did not unless scorpious is also a ninja,
b) already explained that the paranoia creeped in later, and if you go back and read through the day you can see when that happened, as i stated it pretty much immediately after it happened
c) i became uncertain but it still seems notably more likely than not to me

here you go

a) is my claiming my result on scorpious unambiguously

Yeah but why

[angela]

That is purely, and I mean purely, just from your own perspective. It is not unsolving a solve, because you could very much be just scum.

Also, why would you track a claimed mailman considering the exact role of what they claim.

no i could not please stop

wanted to check claim,

[angela]

i am town just let the game be solved

[JacksonVirgo]

The literal role itself would check it, it's a mailman. That was not a smart check, if real. And yes, yes you could. Are you confirmed town? No, didn't think so.

[angela]

The literal role itself would check it, it's a mailman. That was not a smart check, if real. And yes, yes you could. Are you confirmed town? No, didn't think so.

if you say so, it doesn't matter though, sure it was a bad check then, i can agree if you'd like

to me the game is just solved and it's literally just following the plan

and i don't know what else to do here

other than say

look everyone!!! game solved!!!!!

and then it is like, shrug, just follow plan

like all of my posts from now on are going to be some variant of

follow plan game solved, ya know?

[JacksonVirgo]

The literal role itself would check it, it's a mailman. That was not a smart check, if real. And yes, yes you could. Are you confirmed town? No, didn't think so.

if you say so, it doesn't matter though, sure it was a bad check then, i can agree if you'd like

to me the game is just solved and it's literally just following the plan

and i don't know what else to do here

other than say

look everyone!!! game solved!!!!!

and then it is like, shrug, just follow plan

like all of my posts from now on are going to be some variant of

follow plan game solved, ya know?

I don't think you realise that it's only solved for you, because you would know your alignment. It is not 100% solved for everybody, including me.

[angela]

and if you don't agree game solved follow plan, then explain why plan bad,

and if why plan bad is 'oh but angela may not be town'

then just ignore your worries about me completely they do not matter because i am town and i would like to win with you here and i do not really wish to have to argue with confirmed town about my own towniness

[angela]

I don't think you realise that it's only solved for you, because you would know your alignment. It is not 100% solved for everybody, including me.

just ignore your worries about me completely they do not matter because i am town and i would like to win with you here and i do not really wish to have to argue with confirmed town about my own towniness

[JacksonVirgo]

and if you don't agree game solved follow plan, then explain why plan bad,

and if why plan bad is 'oh but angela may not be town'

then just ignore your worries about me completely they do not matter because i am town and i would like to win with you here and i do not really wish to have to argue with confirmed town about my own towniness

Solve bad because it isn't a certain solve. Which you are pushing like a child that can only see their own perspective. It's giving me a LOT of pause how manipulative regarding the solve being a full-solve is seeming. You saying that I should just ignore the worries actually is starting to piss me off, why should I not question your towniness when I want to win.

I am not one to get pocketed, and a green-check is one-way. It does not confirm you in the slightest.

[JacksonVirgo]

Like hell am I just going to give a player faith that they are Town

[angela]

and if you don't agree game solved follow plan, then explain why plan bad,

and if why plan bad is 'oh but angela may not be town'

then just ignore your worries about me completely they do not matter because i am town and i would like to win with you here and i do not really wish to have to argue with confirmed town about my own towniness

Solve bad because it isn't a certain solve. Which you are pushing like a child that can only see their own perspective. It's giving me a LOT of pause how manipulative regarding the solve being a full-solve is seeming. You saying that I should just ignore the worries actually is starting to piss me off, why should I not question your towniness when I want to win.

I am not one to get pocketed, and a green-check is one-way. It does not confirm you in the slightest.

okay well i am going to go do something else and maybe check on game everyone once in a while

and if i am eliminated instead of follow plan win game i am not too worried about it as i really have no desire to just say i am town over and over and i also know that that bothers people and it is going to end up going nowhere other than me becoming upset and potentially upsetting others so i am just going to remind everyone that game is solved and take my leave

[MalcolmTucker]

Floated it before but presuming nobody is lying, could Rathe still be mafia? I know I'm not, but from an uninformed town POV the final mafia would then have to be somewhere in Rathe, Nero or myself, you'd imagine.

[MalcolmTucker]

I've TR'd Rathe most of the game but then my instincts are generally rubbish and at this point I can only really see it being Nero or Rathe. Going to do a proper scour of both ISOs later.