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[ShadowGirl]

Also me being adamant about not ending a day early and getting more info is something that I have made clear about how I play:

ur attitude when notmaf put himself in L-1 was different tho.

No one said they had intent to hammer NM and NM is able to unvote themselves, so it's not as if there was really a possibility that the Day was about to end abruptly early, so it's not really the same.

i should vote at this point
VOTE: MathBlade

Is your vote based only on Math's behaviour from replacing in or does any of how marci acted factor in?
What is your current read on Enchant?

[MathBlade]

I am kinda tempted more to vote NM.

I find it odd that you decide to vote me when you have a likely guaranteed scum in Shadow/NM. Care to explain why you vote me instead?

Do you think NM and Shadow are both town?

shadow been after NM-slot since day1. don't think the pair is svs.
has to be one scum in the pair tho cause has to be 2 scum left and they have to be somewhere.
and that's also why i voted 4 u. 50%chance in that pair 100%on u. (exaggerated probabilities obviously)

This doesn’t make sense though and doesn’t explain anything.

You say 50/50 in NM/Shadow

But then 100% on me.

This doesn’t explain how you get to that point when you’re assuming two scum yet neither has been hammered?

You’re skipping a few steps here.

The only innos are Roden and the vig whoever it is (maybe me maybe not). So I struggle to see how you’re getting to the wrong conclusion.

[MathBlade]

For example if you’re assuming 100% on me am I scum with NM and bussing?
Or am I scum with Shadow and stalling?

Where do you assume two scum left only? There could be three with the Koba theory?

Like I struggle to figure out your mindset here Tictac.

[tictac]

don't really think this is complex, but okay.

from my pow:
conf: Roden, tictac
not actully, but nearly conf: DkKoba
very town: Enchant

so by POE the possibilities are:

ShadowGirl

,

Not_Mafia

, MathBlade <-- this one digualified because shadow-notmaf isn't svs
ShadowGirl,

Not_Mafia

,

MathBlade

ShadowGirl

, Not_Mafia,

MathBlade

^notice how u are red in all the not ruled out universes.

and if u claim vig that changes things, but u haven't so it doesn't

[tictac]

Is your vote based only on Math's behaviour from replacing in or does any of how marci acted factor in?
What is your current read on Enchant?

it's poe, not really anything math has done.
enchant is still town.

[tictac]

Koba's been ignoring me in neighborhood
VOTE: Koba

This is why it’s staged.
If Koba is called out as a liar Koba looks good but if Dwlee goes down Koba looks good.

I doubt Koba ignores a hood as town or scum.

They hyperpost a lot.

dwee flipped scum neighbor, and noone else claimed to be in that neighborhood.
so would have to be 2 scum actually in a neighborhood together 4 koba to be scum here.

shadowgirl been after notmaf-slot since day1. really don't think that pair is svs tho one of them certainly is.

i think enchant is just town here also.

there's not really room 4 u to be town also, tho i like that u brought a lot of life into the game.

[MathBlade]

This is a very common scum tactic I use.

You’ve created a situation that benefits you to ignore answering the question asked.

Hell it may even be true Koba and Enchant are both town (it’s a world I am considering)

But even if I grant you incorrectly that I am scum you’re still not answering who with.

If I was actually PoE scum to you me claiming vig or not would not change your mind but here you say it would.

Therefore this tells me your vig hunting versus scum hunting and you + NM world is looking very spicy.

[DkKoba]

I already said tictac is scum but no one wants to sheep lol

[MathBlade]

You’ve used the common opinions that Koba and Enchant are town

Then decided to use that to push me, then if you succeed and I flip town you “reevaluate” and still avoid the dichotomy between NM/SG or at the last moment eliminate the wrong one.

The real question is why you don’t want to take a stance on NM/SG?

[MathBlade]

I already said tictac is scum but no one wants to sheep lol

Koba I am trying to consider you town.

Please stop antagonizing me while I am catching up. K thx.

[ShadowGirl]

Is your vote based only on Math's behaviour from replacing in or does any of how marci acted factor in?
What is your current read on Enchant?

it's poe, not really anything math has done.
enchant is still town.

Can you say why Enchant is super town to you?

[tictac]

If I was actually PoE scum to you me claiming vig or not would not change your mind but here you say it would.

uncountered vig-claim would be conf.
obviously i don't value my reads oven mech-info.
it's like u confused about how poe works, and i doubt that can actually be the case.

[tictac]

Is your vote based only on Math's behaviour from replacing in or does any of how marci acted factor in?
What is your current read on Enchant?

it's poe, not really anything math has done.
enchant is still town.

Can you say why Enchant is super town to you?

i can do a case if it's needed 4 some reason? it's more accumulation of small town things tho.

[MathBlade]

If I was actually PoE scum to you me claiming vig or not would not change your mind but here you say it would.

uncountered vig-claim would be conf.
obviously i don't value my reads oven mech-info.
it's like u confused about how poe works, and i doubt that can actually be the case.

Why would I be uncountered?

Why would I claim under no pressure?

It’s almost like you know I am town versus believing I am lock scum.

Why do you think I am lock vig and still pushing me?

[MathBlade]

You’re assuming I am going to be claiming vig?

Like none of that makes any sense.

[MathBlade]

Like if I am the vig then what? You literally are PoE’d out of any possible world?

[MathBlade]

And again what is your stance on NM/SG?

[DkKoba]

I already said tictac is scum but no one wants to sheep lol

Koba I am trying to consider you town.

Please stop antagonizing me while I am catching up. K thx.

i guess stating my reads = antagonizing rofl

[DkKoba]

i literally buried the last day's scum when the attention wasn't even going to be on them but ok lol

[Enchant]

Aren't you tried to do so from d1 via claiming that Dwlee failed to answer on traitor bait.

[tictac]

I already said tictac is scum but no one wants to sheep lol

scumreading u would be convenient.

pedit: noo. u not gonna actually claim vig and initiate a 1v1 (as scum). if u were actually one u might choose to (probs shouldn't) and obv that would have an effect.
doesn't really matter if i believe it rn or not, what can be destroyed by the truth should be.

[DkKoba]

Aren't you tried to do so from d1 via claiming that Dwlee failed to answer on traitor bait.

well yes and no - I just wanted to dig up more info before I shove over a scum and then watch from the spec chat as people miss the other scum easily.

[MathBlade]

I already said tictac is scum but no one wants to sheep lol

scumreading u would be convenient.

pedit: noo. u not gonna actually claim vig and initiate a 1v1 (as scum). if u were actually one u might choose to (probs shouldn't) and obv that would have an effect.
doesn't really matter if i believe it rn or not, what can be destroyed by the truth should be.

Interesting why do you think I wouldn’t claim vig as scum?

And why do you think as town vig I would eat an elim instead of claiming?

Like no matter what from my POV I see the following options
As town not vig if runup I claim VT, eat the elim, scum don’t know who vig is, vig shoots on my wagon if possible
As town not vig if runup I claim VT, accurately pull the elim off of me, scum don’t know who the vig is, vig shoots whoever if possible
As town vig if runup I claim, we elim in a group of 4.

As scum i get runup, I claim vig, vig CCs and then I get elimmed but I know who to block at night
As scum I get runup I claim not vig and pray the situation changes

There’s no world in which what your proposing happens.

You’re not thinking you are forced to scumread me either because you are scum or have pigeonholed yourself incorrectly.

[MathBlade]

There is no way we don’t elim in SG/NM though
So again tictac what is your stance on SG/NM?

This is the third or fourth time I have asked.

[tictac]

This is a very common scum tactic I use.

You’ve created a situation that benefits you to ignore answering the question asked.

Hell it may even be true Koba and Enchant are both town (it’s a world I am considering)

But even if I grant you incorrectly that I am scum you’re still not answering who with.

If I was actually PoE scum to you me claiming vig or not would not change your mind but here you say it would.

Therefore this tells me your vig hunting versus scum hunting and you + NM world is looking very spicy.

Subject: Newbie 1961 | Trees II | Over

When you have time, i would appreciate an elaboration on why you're townreading jan and why you think tictac's list is scummy

It's not that i wasnt committed to vork so much as:
- i wanted people (jan in particular) to flesh out the townread so i gave room for that
- i apparently dont like to commit to things and get spooked easily (esp when wagons are growing faster than i expected)

I dont get why you think scum!me backs off there if i'm aiming for a vork mislynch

"Ruling" out scum-pairs is oft a scum used technique to almost force lynches without seeming so. I.e. vork flipped town (tictac scum would know this), therefore, here is the potential lynch options for today. It looks natural, and is a way to push votes without thinking. Plus I don't think it's a very good POE in the first place.

let me know what you think of tictac's post on jan town before I provide mine.

dw i get you my ex girlfriend also said the same thing about how she "apparently dont like to commit to things and get spooked easily (esp when our relationship is growing faster than i expected)"

similarity in these posts is striking. (miss marple tell)
and yea doc was scum in that game.