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[Radical Rat]

what does that mean

does your role have a modifier?

No it does not. Just a regular Friendly Neighbor, nothing special.


Though now I'm basically a VT.... And a slightly grumpy one at that

[Radical Rat]

I don't think Not Mafia is wolf with ShadowGirl here.

If this is just because of the hammer, that means nothing. If there's something else you saw, please elaborate while you still can

[koopashell]

I don't think Not Mafia is wolf with ShadowGirl here.

If this is just because of the hammer, that means nothing. If there's something else you saw, please elaborate while you still can

It is not and I am vetoing it as I know the mindset of the vast majority of players is to eliminate slots they are too lazy to read. Put some effort in, I don't care. You played this day in a very similar way ShadowGirl did, and I have no regrets in my shot. It wasn't a reaction test, this shot is 100% going through.

[koopashell]

If people used the ISO button a bit more often, town would win a lot more in general. My biggest threats to me when I am a wolf are people who actually bother to read people's ISOs and early days. Utilize that. Do not waste your resources.

If you think a gimmick account has to be policied because you aren't sure on other people, that is a skill issue as I guarantee in most cases that slot flips town.

[koopashell]

But frankly, I feel the game ends here because the way Radical Rat reacted feels more like a "I need to pass the reaction test just in case" kind of response rather than "Oh I'm clear now" kind of response.

[koopashell]

If you are town here alive, and we end up losing because of the lack of effort - that is on you for contributing to that, because every single one of you are doing jack shit and just sitting on your hands and yelling "oh woe is me". It's not effective play at all, and there's plenty to read.

We *literally* steamrolled a wolf on day 1 and we are immediately losing momentum? Am I playing a reverse mafia game where I am the only townie? Don't let wolves win after that amazing day 1 - Thank you.


I have thought some - and if RR is indeed a miss, Gamma needs to be the one *most* examined, as it makes sense in the sense of why I was left alive, as my role inherently accelerates the game.

[koopashell]

My own opinion is that it’s a fair call-out

Aye, until the added sentence in the post below.
That one is defensive and very image-conscious. That's scummy.

UNVOTE:
You…

Please explain this in detail.

I think Gamma Emerald is incredibly villagery.

That’s based on what?

VOTE: ShadowGirl
Not gonna lie, I wanna kill this.
I thought about this for a bit and this is the wolfiest slot in the game so far. I'll be happy to ellaborate on this when I'm not phoneposting.

Can you please also elaborate on your strong Gamma townread, then?

VOTE: ShadowGirl
Not gonna lie, I wanna kill this.
I thought about this for a bit and this is the wolfiest slot in the game so far. I'll be happy to ellaborate on this when I'm not phoneposting.

Can you please also elaborate on your strong Gamma townread, then?

I don't know if you haven't noticed but I'm not interacting with you anymore. I have found you as villa and I have no further use for you as a player who stubbornly won't listen to the logic I do have for gamma. I think Gamma is town and that will hold enough weight to prevent their elimination before LyLo

What if I survive to elo and vote gamma because you didn't elaborate?
@everyone else please ask koopa to explain the gamma read

[koopashell]

I did the ISOing for townies because I do not trust villagers to do what they are told by dead players.

Read and digest - Nightkilled players speak great truths more often than not.

I think Gamma should be the elimination here - and there should be no more PRs here with both RR and I being town, seeing as 2 self clearing roles are pretty strong already.

RR, next time, if you are Friendly Neighbor, choose your target with more critical thought, as going for the top townreads of the player who just buried a wolf is poor target selection, and you should have chosen someone like StD who was going to be alive regardless of alignment.

[koopashell]

Gamma > StD

Wins the game here.


Gamma probably just straight up wins. Starting to think RR is a miss more and Gamma world fits a lot better.

Gamma Emerald is incredibly subdued and has very little progression and the world where they see the writing on the wall. I also look at how they reacted to my daystart on day 1 and I see someone testing the waters for a push there.

From an informed point of view - it makes little sense for ShadowGirl to do what she did and then for StD to still soft defend the slot.

It really has to be either Gamma or Radical Rat here IMHO.

[koopashell]

Page 10 is very informative,

Does anyone actually villa read ShadowGirl?

tbh I want that elaborated myself
I'd say shadowgirl is leaning scum ever so slightly

VOTE: ShadowGirl
I think this might be the play, I've been getting a sort of vibe that she's careful and calculated in a way that tends to keep me from suspecting people normally but is probably mafia indicative

I was townreading her, because her thought process made sense and was believable, but no the koopa vote's pretty bad in the current gamestate.

VOTE: ShadowGirl
E-2 I believe.

In a RR town world, the RR vote puts Gamma in a position where as scum, a distancing vote is not easily removed after that. I do not think Gamma as wolf would believe that the vote would go through perhaps?

[koopashell]

Yeah once the ShadowGirl wagon gained a lot of momentum Gamma was just plainly ... Not Present. (Neither was StD too)

[koopashell]

I ask people to reread pages 10-13, with the knowledge of alignments.

As well as rereading everyone's ISOs.

Again I implore to remember that being wrong =/= wolf, and that if you find something questionable, try to ask questions like "what made you think this?", which is more effective. If the person doesn't give anything substantive enough, press the point, etc. It is the most effective way to scumhunt in the lategame, and should guarantee a town win here if implemented.

[koopashell]

I want bulge to explain their read progression over the course of the game.

(everyone should but especially bulge)

I'm shifting stuff around - Gamma -> Bulge is my current answer.

I'm assuming wolves are forced to kill here, so if we miss here, sleep->3 way will be illuminating in terms of nightkills.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t think eliminating me would be entirely bad, but I would rather not have it come to that.

[lendunistus]

Ok. This is easy

ACCUSE: Radical Rat

Good game everyone, see you in the post game chat whenever lendunistus checks the game.

Desperado result

koopashell, you have accused Radical Rat! You present your evidence to the court and the judge orders a speedy investigation to be conducted. When the investigation finishes, the detective comes into the courtroom and says...

"Sir, we found that Radical Rat is, in fact, NOT GUILTY!"

You made a false accusation! Radical Rat is NOT ALIGNED WITH THE MAFIA! Now you'll pay the price...

koopashell

made a bogus accusation and went to jail! Their role was...

Phoenix Wright, Town Novice 1-shot Desperado

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome, koopashell!

You are

Phoenix Wright, a Town Novice 1-Shot Desperado.

You are the lead defense attorney in the case. You can easily take down the real murderer and defend your client, however, it's just as easy for you to be wrong...

Once per game, during a day phase, starting from Day 2, you may publicly accuse a living player by posting "ACCUSE:" with your target's name after it in the game thread. After doing this, you may no longer rescind or change your action. If your target is aligned with the mafia, your target will die ("go to jail") as soon as possible. However, if your target is NOT aligned with the mafia, you will die ("go to jail") instead (as soon as possible).

You win when town is the last remaining faction.

Day 2 continues. You may keep posting.

[Radical Rat]

Fun fact! This is actually the second time in recent history I've been an easily verifiable Town PR, and still managed to get myself killed for it! Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.

Though at least this time I didn't actually die...

[lendunistus]

Micro 1050 Votecount - 2.3

Radical Rat (2):

Save The Dragons, Gamma Emerald

Save The Dragons (1):

Radical Rat

Not Voting (3):

Not_Mafia, Kcdaspot, The Bulge

With 6 players alive, it takes 4 votes to eliminate.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-04-17 18:00:00)

Vote History

Post #337: Save The Dragons votes Radical Rat
Post #349: Radical Rat votes Save The Dragons
Post #411: Gamma Emerald votes Radical Rat

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

[lendunistus]

Not_Mafia has been prodded.

[Gamma Emerald]

Page 10 is very informative,

Does anyone actually villa read ShadowGirl?

tbh I want that elaborated myself
I'd say shadowgirl is leaning scum ever so slightly

VOTE: ShadowGirl
I think this might be the play, I've been getting a sort of vibe that she's careful and calculated in a way that tends to keep me from suspecting people normally but is probably mafia indicative

I was townreading her, because her thought process made sense and was believable, but no the koopa vote's pretty bad in the current gamestate.

VOTE: ShadowGirl
E-2 I believe.

In a RR town world, the RR vote puts Gamma in a position where as scum, a distancing vote is not easily removed after that. I do not think Gamma as wolf would believe that the vote would go through perhaps?

I was trying to look back to some D1 stuff because I remember someone had a particular reaction to koopa’s claim that felt very nonsensical, and I feel like the points koopashell made about my play are incorrect. I was pretty engaged when things started building against ShadowGirl, it was only more recently that I fell off, so I would have been able to at least position myself better.
Also,

VOTE: ShadowGirl
I think this might be the play, I've been getting a sort of vibe that she's careful and calculated in a way that tends to keep me from suspecting people normally but is probably mafia indicative

Can you explain to me how I am being more careful and calculated than koopashell, whose only defense for the fact they don't have to give reads is they have a "cleared" claim, and who from the start of the Day the majority of their scumreads are focused on people that suspected them, and that they are going after me because I was the most comprehensive in actually quoting multiples of their posts which showed contradictions in their thinking?

I feel like this is a bit more effort than scum would generally put in to convince a buddy.

Also, to communicate where my head is at currently, I think StD and kcda are probably town on top of RR and myself, so my suspect pool is (Bulge, NM)

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: The Bulge

Let's just eliminate someone so I stop getting prodded whilst nothing is even happening please

[Save The Dragons]

UNVOTE:

[The Bulge]

im off tomorrow so ill be properly here for a good while. gonna do some isos and reevaluate. and i'll honour koopa's request and explain where my reads have come from

[The Bulge]

still baffled that everybody considered koopa's role a killing role and not an investigative

[The Bulge]

god this iso is bare