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[Not Known 15]

Only explanation I can think of is Mala doesn't think Koopa's play in general is scummy but that the vote itself is.

But yeah major discrepancy, good spot.

Why are you answering for mala instead of waiting for the reply?

I'm putting out a possible explanation as to why they could say that, they are of course welcome to clarify whether that is correct.

That's generally anti-town because it could give scum an excuse they didn't think of...

[Not Known 15]

I think Facebones is a villager in all worlds I'm currently considering.
I'd like to poll peoples current thoughts on Scorpious if possible

Scorpious:Lurker.

[Scorpious]

I think Facebones is a villager in all worlds I'm currently considering.
I'd like to poll peoples current thoughts on Scorpious if possible

Scorpious:Worker..

Fixed it..

[KittyTacky]

UNVOTE:

I don't really like Mala but I will refrain from really voting them for nyow.

FOS: Malakittens

[KittyTacky]

Koopa is tyown.

VOTE: Malakittens
This one is pretty obvious.

VOTE: NK15
This one is pretty obvious.

Not vibing with this chainsaw(?).

[MalcolmTucker]

Only explanation I can think of is Mala doesn't think Koopa's play in general is scummy but that the vote itself is.

But yeah major discrepancy, good spot.

Why are you answering for mala instead of waiting for the reply?

I'm putting out a possible explanation as to why they could say that, they are of course welcome to clarify whether that is correct.

That's generally anti-town because it could give scum an excuse they didn't think of...

I mean, it seems pretty obvious no? Players can have mixed thoughts early on in a game, wherein they think someone's tone is townie but a specific action pings them as possible mafia.

[Facebones]

Only explanation I can think of is Mala doesn't think Koopa's play in general is scummy but that the vote itself is.

But yeah major discrepancy, good spot.

Why are you answering for mala instead of waiting for the reply?

I'm putting out a possible explanation as to why they could say that, they are of course welcome to clarify whether that is correct.

That's generally anti-town because it could give scum an excuse they didn't think of...

This. I asked addressed that question to Mala for a reason. I wanted them to answer, I don't really care about what you think are possible reasons.

[ItalianoVD]

That Flavor Leaf/koopa interaction on pg 3 is pinging my antennas.

What happens when two antennas get married?

I know I was being funny with my response but what were you actually trying to say here?

[ItalianoVD]

Again, appreciate the responses to the questions. I like getting to know the people I play with with whom I’m not familiar. If I was giving out prizes, it’d be a tie for 1st place between Flavor Leaf and JV for best response.

[ItalianoVD]

I don't particularly agree with players making big detailed lists of who they think is town/mafia early on like Koopa - it often feels a bit forced in a way that feels unnatural, ultimately none of our reads are going to be that bulletproof at this point in the game.

This.

[ItalianoVD]

What did you find wolfy about it?

The

tone

of the post mainly. I felt like the way you were asking her to post a readslist was kinda iffy. A readslist that early is 1) not gonna do anything as far as being able to read the slot and 2) a waste of time that early. And yes I do think it could possibly be alignment indicative.

[koopashell]

Italiano, you should know that doesn't make it wolf indicative.
Perhaps consider this motivation, which is the truth:
I want to advance the game to the fun part asap(solving)
The most effective way to get there is to take stances and note reactions to said stances.
I have not even once stated any of my reads were set in stone - in fact mala has been fairly volatile here in view.
Tl;dr forcing reads advances the gamestate and you should consider people have diffrent opinions on how to play Mafia.

I ask kindly that you leave that point alone and evaluate me based on the content of my posts rather than how you think villagers should play the game.

[koopashell]

What did you find wolfy about it?

The

tone

of the post mainly. I felt like the way you were asking her to post a readslist was kinda iffy. A readslist that early is 1) not gonna do anything as far as being able to read the slot and 2) a waste of time that early. And yes I do think it could possibly be alignment indicative.

I already explained it creates a baseline to trace from.
Again, you and I likely see the way to solve the game in a different light. I asked for something that helps me, perhaps it doesnt help *you* but it does help me.
Talk to me about Scorpious, please.

[ItalianoVD]

VOTE: Malakittens
This one is pretty obvious.

I missed this one. What’s obvious?

[Not Known 15]

VOTE: Malakittens
This one is pretty obvious.

I missed this one. What’s obvious?

Read my iso.

[ItalianoVD]

I don't particularly agree with players making big detailed lists of who they think is town/mafia early on like Koopa - it often feels a bit forced in a way that feels unnatural, ultimately none of our reads are going to be that bulletproof at this point in the game. But by the same token I can see the value in sometimes just throwing something out there to see if it sticks early on to force some interactions, so I'm not particularly reading Koopa as overly mafia right now.

Agreed that Mala's interactions feel very caged so far and the "lighten up, it's day one" type stuff feels like a major deflection which wants to make others players feel wary about going in too heavily without addressing the substance of any accusatory posts. But I also get how that frustration could be genuine, so a slot to keep an eye on for now.

My main reason why I disagree with Koopa in placing pressure on me in order to give reads is I know if I try to do a readlist it's forced upon me in order to "produce content/reads". It's very unnatural for me to post a read list this early esp on page 4 when we don't have a lot of solid content. Now if I wasn't town or if he was doing this to another player I'd maybe go for a scumbuddy coaching another scumbuddy, but he's doing it to my slot.

I'm not really deflecting. I'm trying to move the game forward, but everyone keep harping on the current subject is just giving either one of two oppurnities for scum to either "lurk" or jump in order to look like they are being productive.

Also I don't think roden is scum for what's happening right now. I think him and I are at a T v T fight.

Ahh dang it Mala. I’ve done this as scum/wolf. Townread your attacker to try and soften the attack since people live to be townread. Ugh. Tell me I’m wrong.

Anyway I gotta go. I know I missed some things, but I’ll be back later. Ciao.

[MalcolmTucker]

Italiano, you should know that doesn't make it wolf indicative.
Perhaps consider this motivation, which is the truth:
I want to advance the game to the fun part asap(solving)
The most effective way to get there is to take stances and note reactions to said stances.
I have not even once stated any of my reads were set in stone - in fact mala has been fairly volatile here in view.
Tl;dr forcing reads advances the gamestate and you should consider people have diffrent opinions on how to play Mafia.

I ask kindly that you leave that point alone and evaluate me based on the content of my posts rather than how you think villagers should play the game.

I think this is good to a point because ultimately someone wants to spark some action on D1 and it's beneficial for the town to do so, but I think it has its limits in how much we can find - and more importantly if you push too hard early on it can let bullshitters in a mafia team essentially spout nonsense to look like they're actually taking stances, with the easy out later in the game that it was basically an early read and they can't be held to account for it because lots of people were making bad reads.

[MalcolmTucker]

I don't particularly agree with players making big detailed lists of who they think is town/mafia early on like Koopa - it often feels a bit forced in a way that feels unnatural, ultimately none of our reads are going to be that bulletproof at this point in the game. But by the same token I can see the value in sometimes just throwing something out there to see if it sticks early on to force some interactions, so I'm not particularly reading Koopa as overly mafia right now.

Agreed that Mala's interactions feel very caged so far and the "lighten up, it's day one" type stuff feels like a major deflection which wants to make others players feel wary about going in too heavily without addressing the substance of any accusatory posts. But I also get how that frustration could be genuine, so a slot to keep an eye on for now.

My main reason why I disagree with Koopa in placing pressure on me in order to give reads is I know if I try to do a readlist it's forced upon me in order to "produce content/reads". It's very unnatural for me to post a read list this early esp on page 4 when we don't have a lot of solid content. Now if I wasn't town or if he was doing this to another player I'd maybe go for a scumbuddy coaching another scumbuddy, but he's doing it to my slot.

I'm not really deflecting. I'm trying to move the game forward, but everyone keep harping on the current subject is just giving either one of two oppurnities for scum to either "lurk" or jump in order to look like they are being productive.

Also I don't think roden is scum for what's happening right now. I think him and I are at a T v T fight.

Ahh dang it Mala. I’ve done this as scum/wolf. Townread your attacker to try and soften the attack since people live to be townread. Ugh. Tell me I’m wrong.

Anyway I gotta go. I know I missed some things, but I’ll be back later. Ciao.

Granted it's early game and I'm not going to judge anyone not taking completely firm reads at this point too harshly, but do find it interesting Mala feels reluctant to particularly take on anyone at the moment. A clear reluctance which like you say could be wary mafia concerned any strong reads they make of townies will come across as fake and/or manufactured if they can't push said read properly and with good evidence.

[Not Known 15]

I don't particularly agree with players making big detailed lists of who they think is town/mafia early on like Koopa - it often feels a bit forced in a way that feels unnatural, ultimately none of our reads are going to be that bulletproof at this point in the game. But by the same token I can see the value in sometimes just throwing something out there to see if it sticks early on to force some interactions, so I'm not particularly reading Koopa as overly mafia right now.

Agreed that Mala's interactions feel very caged so far and the "lighten up, it's day one" type stuff feels like a major deflection which wants to make others players feel wary about going in too heavily without addressing the substance of any accusatory posts. But I also get how that frustration could be genuine, so a slot to keep an eye on for now.

My main reason why I disagree with Koopa in placing pressure on me in order to give reads is I know if I try to do a readlist it's forced upon me in order to "produce content/reads". It's very unnatural for me to post a read list this early esp on page 4 when we don't have a lot of solid content. Now if I wasn't town or if he was doing this to another player I'd maybe go for a scumbuddy coaching another scumbuddy, but he's doing it to my slot.

I'm not really deflecting. I'm trying to move the game forward, but everyone keep harping on the current subject is just giving either one of two oppurnities for scum to either "lurk" or jump in order to look like they are being productive.

Also I don't think roden is scum for what's happening right now. I think him and I are at a T v T fight.

Ahh dang it Mala. I’ve done this as scum/wolf. Townread your attacker to try and soften the attack since people live to be townread. Ugh. Tell me I’m wrong.

Anyway I gotta go. I know I missed some things, but I’ll be back later. Ciao.

Granted it's early game and I'm not going to judge anyone not taking completely firm reads at this point too harshly

Too harshly? Why harshly at all?

[Not Known 15]

Italiano, where's that Scorpious read coming from?

This has not been answered.

[MalcolmTucker]

I don't particularly agree with players making big detailed lists of who they think is town/mafia early on like Koopa - it often feels a bit forced in a way that feels unnatural, ultimately none of our reads are going to be that bulletproof at this point in the game. But by the same token I can see the value in sometimes just throwing something out there to see if it sticks early on to force some interactions, so I'm not particularly reading Koopa as overly mafia right now.

Agreed that Mala's interactions feel very caged so far and the "lighten up, it's day one" type stuff feels like a major deflection which wants to make others players feel wary about going in too heavily without addressing the substance of any accusatory posts. But I also get how that frustration could be genuine, so a slot to keep an eye on for now.

My main reason why I disagree with Koopa in placing pressure on me in order to give reads is I know if I try to do a readlist it's forced upon me in order to "produce content/reads". It's very unnatural for me to post a read list this early esp on page 4 when we don't have a lot of solid content. Now if I wasn't town or if he was doing this to another player I'd maybe go for a scumbuddy coaching another scumbuddy, but he's doing it to my slot.

I'm not really deflecting. I'm trying to move the game forward, but everyone keep harping on the current subject is just giving either one of two oppurnities for scum to either "lurk" or jump in order to look like they are being productive.

Also I don't think roden is scum for what's happening right now. I think him and I are at a T v T fight.

Ahh dang it Mala. I’ve done this as scum/wolf. Townread your attacker to try and soften the attack since people live to be townread. Ugh. Tell me I’m wrong.

Anyway I gotta go. I know I missed some things, but I’ll be back later. Ciao.

Granted it's early game and I'm not going to judge anyone not taking completely firm reads at this point too harshly

Too harshly? Why harshly at all?

I'm unsure what point you're trying to make here? I'm generally agreeing with the fact Mala has made a lot of deflections and somewhat confrontational posts but doesn't seem to have that many thoughts on who is mafia. But I'm additionally pointing out that doesn't automatically make them scum for me because it's reasonable for someone to struggle for concrete reads early on instead of claiming to basically have the game solved 50 posts in.

[koopashell]

Can people not quote 5 posts with parahraphs in them please? It's hard to parse on mobile.

[Scorpious]

Italiano, you should know that doesn't make it wolf indicative.
Perhaps consider this motivation, which is the truth:
I want to advance the game to the fun part asap(solving)
The most effective way to get there is to take stances and note reactions to said stances.
I have not even once stated any of my reads were set in stone - in fact mala has been fairly volatile here in view.
Tl;dr forcing reads advances the gamestate and you should consider people have diffrent opinions on how to play Mafia.

I ask kindly that you leave that point alone and evaluate me based on the content of my posts rather than how you think villagers should play the game.

This post needs to be pinned somewhere.

So tired of “you don’t play like me.. you’re scum”.

My playstyle changes from game to game as I will not subscribe to the alt process.

[Scorpious]

Can people not quote 5 posts with parahraphs in them please? It's hard to parse on mobile.

Also agree with this. Spoiler tags please.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m ready to 1v1 someone who was on a Mala wagon.

Been feeling some scum energy getting pushed into that direction.

Where shall i pounce