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[Greeting]

Greetings, y'all! Allow me a while to see what's going on here.

[Greeting]

Okay, I focused on Day 2 for now solely.

Since we have a Town Mason dead, we need the other one to claim. I saw a claim from

Roden

and no counterclaim, am I correct? If there's no counterclaim then

Roden

is basically confirmed town and should be treated as such.

Roden

, was there anyone else in your Mason neighbourhood?

I understand that there is a guilty claim on

Dwlee99

. What's the guilty claim? I don't get this part.

[Greeting]

Yes Dwlee is scum. Enchant is also scum, GL agreed as much in the Mason PT. HEM pointed out Enchant's hesitance to put Meuh at E-1, and GL said that town!Enchant wouldn't give a shit.

The reason GL died and not me is because I was tunneled on HEM while GL set him aside as town. Scum wanted me to go after HEM today. That's also why Gamma switched to rallying for a HEM elim near EoD. Gamna also has a history of replacing out as scum under pressure. There's just too many points against the slot.

I wanted to bait out the final scum by seeing who would rally with me to kill Koba but that got fucking ruined.

Why is

Enchant

scum?

[Greeting]

my sympathies 2 people wanting extensive interaction, but i just wanna do the obv mechplay here

Why's that the obv mechplay?

when there is a guilty, yeet the guilty.

This is generally correct. I think it's better to believe claims when uncounterclaimed. But I'm not sure what the guilty claim is?

[Greeting]

Koba claims Rolecop and that Dwlee is Neibor, but claimed Roaming Doctor in hood beforehand.

Dwlee claims it's lie and there's no talk or claims in hood altogether.

Okay, so basically a Role Cop finds out what the role of a player is. The wiki says there's no indication of alignment though. But I see no reason to not believe the claim.

@

Mod

: Is it possible for there to be combined roles in the game?

[Greeting]

No, wait. I mean, if

Dwlee99

was something else aside of Neighbor, the Rolecop surely would have seen this as well?

For instance, the result would be "Neighbor Roaming Doctor" and not just "Neighbor"?

[Greeting]

Yes Dwlee is scum. Enchant is also scum, GL agreed as much in the Mason PT. HEM pointed out Enchant's hesitance to put Meuh at E-1, and GL said that town!Enchant wouldn't give a shit.

The reason GL died and not me is because I was tunneled on HEM while GL set him aside as town. Scum wanted me to go after HEM today. That's also why Gamma switched to rallying for a HEM elim near EoD. Gamna also has a history of replacing out as scum under pressure. There's just too many points against the slot.

I wanted to bait out the final scum by seeing who would rally with me to kill Koba but that got fucking ruined.

Why is

Enchant

scum?

Because i am eeeeeeeevil

That I know, I just don't know if you're scum.

[Greeting]

@Mod: Is it possible for there to be combined roles in the game?

Normal game guidelines -> https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

I already had gotten there, but thank you.

The wiki says that it's possible.

Normal Games must use only approved roles, and can use any combination (so long as there is at least one Vanilla Townie) in conjunction with approved modifiers.
Roles may be hybrid roles, consisting of multiple roles, for instance, a Vigilante Cop. Such a role with multiple active abilities can use any one of its roles each night, and may have modifiers that apply to just one of its roles or to the entire hybrid role.

I am not sure, however, if a Rolecop sees the entirety of the role or is it possible for the role to just see one part of it.

PEDit: I get it now, thanks.

[Greeting]

No, wait. I mean, if

Dwlee99

was something else aside of Neighbor, the Rolecop surely would have seen this as well?

For instance, the result would be "Neighbor Roaming Doctor" and not just "Neighbor"?

Yes, that's reason.

Just in a case, Dwlee99 claims Simple Doctor now, and that he targeted...
.. well this guy who died, lazy to look, he was mason.

Oh, well, this is quite straightforward then.

VOTE: Dwlee99

I think this is E-1.

[Greeting]

Okay, I focused on Day 2 for now solely.

Since we have a Town Mason dead, we need the other one to claim. I saw a claim from

Roden

and no counterclaim, am I correct? If there's no counterclaim then

Roden

is basically confirmed town and should be treated as such.

Roden

, was there anyone else in your Mason neighbourhood?

I understand that there is a guilty claim on

Dwlee99

. What's the guilty claim? I don't get this part.

What? Why would I say if there were other Masons?

Because Masons know they're town. So anyone you could have been a Mason with, aside of

GuiltyLion

, is basically confirmed town. Which narrows the pool of suspects.

[Greeting]

Simple Doctor fails on Not-Vanilla. And mason... Is mason.

So Dwlee is scum, but not for reason you just got.

But... if

Dwlee99

's claim was true - that he's a Simple Doctor, and he tried to protect a Mason it would have failed anyway?

Which would make the claim true? I suppose that if he's scum, it would have been better to claim that they protected someone else?

I mean, sometimes players lie about their roles as town. But the Rolecop would have known if they had any other ability than Neighbor. Which makes this a claim vs. claim thing. I think that's enough to eliminate

Dwlee99

and go from there.

[Greeting]

@Greeting: Have you caught up on D1 yet? I see a lot of mechanics talk (Roden is town because mason, Dwlee is scum because only one of the two claims can be true), but I don't see any talk of actual reads. Why do you inherently believe DkKoba over Dwlee? What is your take on the theory that DkKoba could be a traitor?

Shouldn't we be doing eliminate all liars now? I feel like the situation I encountered when I entered here is straightforward enough.

Dwlee99

probably lied and they should be eliminated. If

DkKoba

lied about their role and result, we will know tomorrow anyway.

If I make it to Day 3, that's when I will need stronger reads than this. In my experience of playing mafia, it is rather unwise to not believe counterclaims.

I haven't heard the theory of

DkKoba

being Traitor though, what is it about?

[Greeting]

Ok, well, I read

Dwlee99

as scum, because they apparently lied about being a Simple Doctor when in fact they are a Neighborizer and the claim about this comes from a Rolecop.

Hope it helped.

[Greeting]

Not Neighborizer. Neighbor. These are two different roles. Apologies.

Anyways, Rolecop should know the whole role and apparently

Dwlee99

is a Neighbor. Why is there so much doubt in this game about this?

[Greeting]

How many Neighbors are there in the game? How many Neighborhoods are there in the game? Or maybe there is just one with like most of the playerlist and I'm the only one not invited to it?

How is this game even considered Normal.

[Greeting]

How many Neighbors are there in the game? How many Neighborhoods are there in the game? Or maybe there is just one with like most of the playerlist and I'm the only one not invited to it?

How is this game even considered Normal.

I dunno, did you ever bother to reread D1 or are you still avoiding doing that so you don't have to actually form reads on people?

Vote: Greeting

I didn't read anything as well.

Trust me, I'm not pleased with your quickhammer either when it's clear that I was trying to engage with Greeting about their thoughts so +++ partner equity for you and them.

The hammer happened when I was asleep, but I wouldn't have given you my reads even if I were awake and in the game. Going after

Dwlee99

with a Town Rolecop guilty was the obvious way to go yesterday and you were actively trying to get me off that track. Me posting reads would have only served as a distraction.

The outcome of Day 2 makes me strongly doubt your intentions too.

I'm not a restaurant to serve reads for players on demand and your vote here isn't going to change it. I'm here to solve the game and will do it in my own time and on my own terms. The time for me to post reads will definitely come today, but they'll be ready when they're ready.

[Greeting]

Congratulations to town. I made a mistake replacing in at 60 something pages and could not fake any reads.