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Post Post #1300 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:02 am

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In post 1250, ItalianoVD wrote:Even that exchange between him and HEM about HEM’s scumgame makes me kinda think they’re both town. I mean if they’re both scum doing theater than they got me. Naturally though I just feel that the more probable answer is that they’re both town.
I'm finding less and less instances of "theatre" lately as whole amongst games. its like people cant be assed anymore to really "perform" as scum..

I'm inclined to find them both town in this context.
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Post Post #1301 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:05 am

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VC 1.21

With 13 players, it takes 7 to make a decision. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-04-25 00:30:00).


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humaneatingmonkey [4]:
MalcolmTucker [], Not Known 15 [], koopashell [], MathBlade []
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humaneatingmonkey [], Roden [], KittyTacky []
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Flavor Leaf [], ItalianoVD []
Not Known 15 [1]:
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Post Post #1302 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:17 am

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In post 1299, Scorpious wrote:
In post 1250, ItalianoVD wrote:I also like to point out that a pr claim is not a free pass to get townread. I’m not throwing shade koopa, but I don’t think anybody should townread you based on that claim. They should townread you on your play and how you’ve formulated your reads and such.
This one of my favorite excerpts from this game so far.

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It's not a free pass but I'm not sure Koopa makes it up at that point in the game. They weren't really nearing elimination or anything as such albeit they weren't in the clear; they appeared to detect the discussion between them and Flavor was going nowhere and a reveal was the best way to move past that. Such an approach feels quite townie to me. Do you still think Koopa is mafia in light of their claim?
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Post Post #1303 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:26 am

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In post 1288, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1286, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 1267, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1147, Not Known 15 wrote:
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We should stop here for a moment(1 day or so) and everyone posts readslists and then we can discuss more.
I am not really a reads list guy I am more a potential trans guy. If I stop catching up (as it is I am 5 pages behind and I have to start work now) then I would be doing so inaccurately as well. Therefore I will not do this.

What makes you post in this game and not in the prior game you were vigged?
The other game is finished. There is no rush.
You either fail to understand my point or are intentionally dense.

I know that game finished I replaced into it.

During that game you did not post.
This game you are posting.

What is the difference as to why?
WTF?
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Post Post #1304 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:27 am

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In post 1303, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 1288, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1286, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 1267, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1147, Not Known 15 wrote:
@everyone


We should stop here for a moment(1 day or so) and everyone posts readslists and then we can discuss more.
I am not really a reads list guy I am more a potential trans guy. If I stop catching up (as it is I am 5 pages behind and I have to start work now) then I would be doing so inaccurately as well. Therefore I will not do this.

What makes you post in this game and not in the prior game you were vigged?
The other game is finished. There is no rush.
You either fail to understand my point or are intentionally dense.

I know that game finished I replaced into it.

During that game you did not post.
This game you are posting.

What is the difference as to why?
WTF?
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Yes. You were.

You were a lurker in the game.

You had like zero if not zero posts in the hood.
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Post Post #1305 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:28 am

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Like you can argue mudslinging if you want it does make you look bad as you do look bad to me but anyone can go back and review the game.

You were a lurker and were shot for it.

Here you’re not.

My question is why and instead of an explanation I get a vote.
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Post Post #1306 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:30 am

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In post 1302, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 1299, Scorpious wrote:
In post 1250, ItalianoVD wrote:I also like to point out that a pr claim is not a free pass to get townread. I’m not throwing shade koopa, but I don’t think anybody should townread you based on that claim. They should townread you on your play and how you’ve formulated your reads and such.
This one of my favorite excerpts from this game so far.

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It's not a free pass but I'm not sure Koopa makes it up at that point in the game. They weren't really nearing elimination or anything as such albeit they weren't in the clear; they appeared to detect the discussion between them and Flavor was going nowhere and a reveal was the best way to move past that. Such an approach feels quite townie to me. Do you still think Koopa is mafia in light of their claim?
It would be irresponsible for me to vote there D1,although I do not like the way it was presented. I'm not 100% convinced.
As I said, I have(you might have even seen) reacted almost identically as scum, sans the crumb claim..

Not optimal play to claim so early,which is a lesson I have learned. I don't see the town motivation in outing yourself so soon, like I said. These are lessons I've learned, and if this person is coming from ToS, its a way different ballgame here..
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Post Post #1307 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:34 am

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In post 1305, MathBlade wrote:Like you can argue mudslinging if you want it does make you look bad as you do look bad to me but anyone can go back and review the game.

You were a lurker and were shot for it.

Here you’re not.

My question is why and instead of an explanation I get a vote.
I respond with votes often when I'm scum...

Its a bad habit..
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Post Post #1308 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:38 am

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way too early solve:

Mathblade,NK15,Jv...

Thats the pool right now, D1, too early, but thats where I'm at.
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Post Post #1309 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:40 am

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I feel like mathblade came into scum chat and said lets ramp this up a bit..
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Post Post #1310 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:43 am

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In post 1308, Scorpious wrote:way too early solve:

Mathblade,NK15,Jv...

Thats the pool right now, D1, too early, but thats where I'm at.
I have words but I am at work but I strongly disagree with this assertion.

It’s like so I point out something that irks me about NK15

So NK votes me so NK15 plus me decide to fight when I could have just not responded and keep my vote on HEM in that world?

Your solve makes no sense

The reason I don’t cross vote NK15 is because I think HEM is more likely scum than NK15 based on thread moves.
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Post Post #1311 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:44 am

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In post 1305, MathBlade wrote:Like you can argue mudslinging if you want it does make you look bad as you do look bad to me but anyone can go back and review the game.

You were a lurker and were shot for it.

Here you’re not.

My question is why and instead of an explanation I get a vote.
Surely it's natural for players to approach different games differently? I maintain a pretty consistent approach but then I'm a very boring player for the most part. I don't think posting more often/less often should automatically be seen as an indicator of a player's alignment unless it's something pretty stark compared to most previous games they've played.
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Post Post #1312 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:45 am

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In post 1309, Scorpious wrote:I feel like mathblade came into scum chat and said lets ramp this up a bit..
So now you reckon we are seeing some theatre from the mafia team? :P
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Post Post #1313 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:45 am

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In post 1312, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 1309, Scorpious wrote:I feel like mathblade came into scum chat and said lets ramp this up a bit..
So now you reckon we are seeing some theatre from the mafia team? :P
reading over it yes..
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Post Post #1314 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:46 am

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In post 1310, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1308, Scorpious wrote:way too early solve:

Mathblade,NK15,Jv...

Thats the pool right now, D1, too early, but thats where I'm at.
I have words but I am at work but I strongly disagree with this assertion.

It’s like so I point out something that irks me about NK15

So NK votes me so NK15 plus me decide to fight when I could have just not responded and keep my vote on HEM in that world?

No,I think the reason you aren;t voting NK15 is because your playing carefully and don't want it to look like an OMGUS vote.

Your solve makes no sense

The reason I don’t cross vote NK15 is because I think HEM is more likely scum than NK15 based on thread moves.
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Post Post #1315 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:47 am

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wtf.. sorry

No,I think the reason you aren;t voting NK15 is because your playing carefully and don't want it to look like an OMGUS vote.

The response is in there smh
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Post Post #1316 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:47 am

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In post 1311, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 1305, MathBlade wrote:Like you can argue mudslinging if you want it does make you look bad as you do look bad to me but anyone can go back and review the game.

You were a lurker and were shot for it.

Here you’re not.

My question is why and instead of an explanation I get a vote.
Surely it's natural for players to approach different games differently? I maintain a pretty consistent approach but then I'm a very boring player for the most part. I don't think posting more often/less often should automatically be seen as an indicator of a player's alignment unless it's something pretty stark compared to most previous games they've played.
I agree with this.

That’s why I asked why.

Maybe NK15 saw something that made them more engaged which they would have said “Yo so and so is so obviously scum and that makes me more interested” or a reason.

It’s asking why to see if it’s scum indicative. A turnaround vote is not an appropriate response.
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Post Post #1317 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:48 am

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In post 1313, Scorpious wrote:
In post 1312, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 1309, Scorpious wrote:I feel like mathblade came into scum chat and said lets ramp this up a bit..
So now you reckon we are seeing some theatre from the mafia team? :P
reading over it yes..
I can see NK15's vote as definitely being quite suspect potentially. MathBlade feels unlikely to go out at the moment given they've replaced in and there's not a lot of pressure there so far. It's potentially an easy place for under pressure mafia to park a vote, but then I suppose that also depends on whether you think mafia are aiming to drive a town elimination at the moment or just try to avoid suspicion irrespective of who goes. Although I may be letting my own personal biases get in the way here based on who I've suspected so far: I thought your vote on Koopa was really lazy but didn't SR you for it.
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Post Post #1318 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:48 am

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Thie current wagon makes me read HEM as town.
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Post Post #1319 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:49 am

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In post 1315, Scorpious wrote:wtf.. sorry

No,I think the reason you aren;t voting NK15 is because your playing carefully and don't want it to look like an OMGUS vote.

The response is in there smh
Let me tell you, I am very good at scum. Very clearly put if I am scum I always vote NK15 and ride the cred and create a big argument and play emotions. Poor reaction votes like that are great for chaos and can provide several examples where I do this.

I agree as scum I am manipulative but here I am being straightforward.
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Post Post #1320 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:49 am

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In post 1316, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1311, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 1305, MathBlade wrote:Like you can argue mudslinging if you want it does make you look bad as you do look bad to me but anyone can go back and review the game.

You were a lurker and were shot for it.

Here you’re not.

My question is why and instead of an explanation I get a vote.
Surely it's natural for players to approach different games differently? I maintain a pretty consistent approach but then I'm a very boring player for the most part. I don't think posting more often/less often should automatically be seen as an indicator of a player's alignment unless it's something pretty stark compared to most previous games they've played.
I agree with this.

That’s why I asked why.

Maybe NK15 saw something that made them more engaged which they would have said “Yo so and so is so obviously scum and that makes me more interested” or a reason.

It’s asking why to see if it’s scum indicative. A turnaround vote is not an appropriate response.
Fair enough, I don't always like games getting too bogged down in meta and sometimes prefer to just let players play from scratch while basing reads on the individual game itself, but the vote in response was not a particularly good look at all for me.

NK15's vote pattern today - opting for HEM after not previously suspecting them, and voting you now, isn't a great look at all. Question is whether it's an approach scum would employ.
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Post Post #1321 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:50 am

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In post 1317, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 1313, Scorpious wrote:
In post 1312, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 1309, Scorpious wrote:I feel like mathblade came into scum chat and said lets ramp this up a bit..
So now you reckon we are seeing some theatre from the mafia team? :P
reading over it yes..
I can see NK15's vote as definitely being quite suspect potentially. MathBlade feels unlikely to go out at the moment given they've replaced in and there's not a lot of pressure there so far. It's potentially an easy place for under pressure mafia to park a vote, but then I suppose that also depends on whether you think mafia are aiming to drive a town elimination at the moment or just try to avoid suspicion irrespective of who goes. Although I may be letting my own personal biases get in the way here based on who I've suspected so far: I thought your vote on Koopa was really lazy but didn't SR you for it.
It was a lazy vote,they were just being so irritating..
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Post Post #1322 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:51 am

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In post 1319, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1315, Scorpious wrote:wtf.. sorry

No,I think the reason you aren;t voting NK15 is because your playing carefully and don't want it to look like an OMGUS vote.

The response is in there smh
Let me tell you, I am very good at scum. Very clearly put if I am scum I always vote NK15 and ride the cred and create a big argument and play emotions. Poor reaction votes like that are great for chaos and can provide several examples where I do this.

I agree as scum I am manipulative but here I am being straightforward.
But then if you're very good as scum, and if you have an approach to the game you always follow as scum when it comes to voting, and if you're keen on meta, then a clever player could reverse such an approach every so often to throw a spanner in the works...
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Post Post #1323 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:52 am

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In post 1320, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 1316, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1311, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 1305, MathBlade wrote:Like you can argue mudslinging if you want it does make you look bad as you do look bad to me but anyone can go back and review the game.

You were a lurker and were shot for it.

Here you’re not.

My question is why and instead of an explanation I get a vote.
Surely it's natural for players to approach different games differently? I maintain a pretty consistent approach but then I'm a very boring player for the most part. I don't think posting more often/less often should automatically be seen as an indicator of a player's alignment unless it's something pretty stark compared to most previous games they've played.
I agree with this.

That’s why I asked why.

Maybe NK15 saw something that made them more engaged which they would have said “Yo so and so is so obviously scum and that makes me more interested” or a reason.

It’s asking why to see if it’s scum indicative. A turnaround vote is not an appropriate response.
Fair enough, I don't always like games getting too bogged down in meta and sometimes prefer to just let players play from scratch while basing reads on the individual game itself, but the vote in response was not a particularly good look at all for me.

NK15's vote pattern today - opting for HEM after not previously suspecting them, and voting you now, isn't a great look at all. Question is whether it's an approach scum would employ.
You can go back in my null pile.
Going to reevaluate my HEM read too.

I think FL might be into something but I want to see FL’s response to this after work.

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Post Post #1324 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:52 am

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In post 1321, Scorpious wrote:
In post 1317, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 1313, Scorpious wrote:
In post 1312, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 1309, Scorpious wrote:I feel like mathblade came into scum chat and said lets ramp this up a bit..
So now you reckon we are seeing some theatre from the mafia team? :P
reading over it yes..
I can see NK15's vote as definitely being quite suspect potentially. MathBlade feels unlikely to go out at the moment given they've replaced in and there's not a lot of pressure there so far. It's potentially an easy place for under pressure mafia to park a vote, but then I suppose that also depends on whether you think mafia are aiming to drive a town elimination at the moment or just try to avoid suspicion irrespective of who goes. Although I may be letting my own personal biases get in the way here based on who I've suspected so far: I thought your vote on Koopa was really lazy but didn't SR you for it.
It was a lazy vote,they were just being so irritating..
Fair. Just pointing out that I've TR'd you for a lazy vote, so I'm aware it could seem contradictory to do so for NK15 when they've made a lazy vote, but the difference is I suppose I SR'd them already.

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