UK Eastermeet 2022 Invitational (Game over!)

[Nexus]

like you too prozac

[Postie]

Can everyone who isn't voting cpol from this point forward explain to me why because I feel like I'm going insane

[Postie]

Also ffs this isn't about potatos it's about the fact someone *stopped an execution from happening* and I hate that people are handwaving that away as "potato discourse"

[Postie]

I keep forgetting scum can survive without potatos, but obviously then they would be executed the next day so same difference? Probably not quite but I have brain frog
Uh I guess to be clear since I think I didn't state it outright: I think Fenchurch and cpol are trying to cover up a fuck up in an attempted passing the potato back and forth LAMISTy thing
That, or this is a scum!Menno distraction

[Porochaz]

Also ffs this isn't about potatos it's about the fact someone *stopped an execution from happening* and I hate that people are handwaving that away as "potato discourse"

Because it's pure speculation and muddies the waters.

[Porochaz]

Also don't have that much of a read on cpol, but I don't see why any of his action would be indicative of scum, getting rid of his own potato would be a risky play. Also in this specific game, we don't know if the scum would have survived without a potato. This isn't the wereleg game, the same rules need not apply.

[Postie]

Also don't have that much of a read on cpol, but I don't see why any of his action would be indicative of scum, getting rid of his own potato would be a risky play.

Less risky if a planned play with scum Fenchurch. Which I'm inclined to believe it was. They even get to argue he's conftown now, apparently, lmao.

Also in this specific game, we don't know if the scum would have survived without a potato. This isn't the wereleg game, the same rules need not apply.

Potato rules in this game say: "Any Town-aligned player who is unable to eat a potato at that time (i.e. doesn't have at least 1) will immediately die."

[Fenchurch]

Okay I thought that end of Day 1 was pretty crystal clear, but since apparently not everyone shares my perspective I'll explain why I came into this day considering Cpol to be conf-town and Menno to be conf-scum.

The hammer was suuuuuuuuuuper scummy. Like I see less than 1% chance of that play coming from town. It ended the day early and with one player not even having posted. As well as what Porochaz has pointed out, that Menno had given no indication that it was coming, and had said they would give warning.

So why out yourself as scum like that? To me it seemed that the trigger must have been Cpol giving me his potato. If Cpol is town, scum-Menno saw an opportunity to get an execution on town-Bella and assumed that town-Cpol would also die. 2 town kills for 1 scum... and there is a chance that Menno can still talk themselves out of it because apparently not everyone sees it the way I did.

And Postie, I do see the possibility of a town potato vendor. If multiple people gave up their potatoes I could imagine by the end of the Day some of them might seem worth saving; at any rate as a weak power I could imagine it sitting with town or scum. What alignment was the role in the original Wereleg game?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Vote: Menno

The lack of explanation for the hammer either Yesterday or Today seems fairly damning.

The potato vendor was scum in Wereleg and does make somewhat more sense as that alignment but it's not clear to me a scum potato vendor wouldn't save cpol anyway (it personally seems incorrect to me but I often have different ideas on that front). Town potato vendor is also more plausible given that people clearly didn't experience the potato mechanic in wereleg as being as pro-town as it was designed to be.

[Fenchurch]

Also ffs this isn't about potatos it's about the fact someone *stopped an execution from happening*

To add: the reason why I can see it as either town or scum is because whoever holding the role gets to use it in accordance with their alignment. If they are town, they try and save someone who they think is town. If they are scum, they try to use it to try and help achieve a scum win.

It's like consul-maker. The role itself isn't exactly pro-town, because it denies the town control over executions. It could be a role held by town (or to scum), and the person with the role will use it in accordance with their alignment.

[McMenno]

I did explain my hammer

[McMenno]

I was zooted as hell

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Are you saying you don't remember why you were convinced that Bella was scum or claiming you simply didn't care about such things at the time?

[McMenno]

VOTE: McMenno

here, that should be one more vote

[Wenna]

Are you saying you don't remember why you were convinced that Bella was scum or claiming you simply didn't care about such things at the time?

I think Menno said they were merry at the time... [post 166]

[Wenna]

IIRC when I was badguy potato vendor (I pretended to be a town potato vendor) I gave as many potatoes as possible to the most town-like potato-poor players as possible. I'd have saved a townsfolk to make myself look more town, or if I was a concealed vendor, make them look suspicious.

I could see cpol being a good guy, bad guy, or good guy thrown under the bus. So I'm neutral on cpol. Klick asked for a good vendor to come forward. Would a badguy potato vendor throw a potato at a badguy cpol? I suppose it's a mildy less certain out than cpol mysteriously not dying in the night with 0 potato. But would cpol so happily hand away a potato? Risky. Or perhaps a master plan... Still think cpol has been thrown under the bus though. (There was also a lot of emphasis that cpol was a baddy from Postie, who then immediately dropped the idea when I suggested it was a badguy play... Could be entirely innocent of course).

So, still feeling Postie could be a baddy, now also including Fenchurch (only by association). It would be hilarious if they were both badguys, intentionally squabbling so that if one is outed the other seems town. Mixed on Menno/CES. I think Menno could have just thought "screw it" - they typed to that effect when making the kill, and have been consistent in reasons since.

Maybe Porochaz is a baddy, since everything he has said has been sound. Watching while town fight it out like potatoless chickens...

[Wenna]

I don't know how to do the vote thing

VOTE: Postie

[Wenna]

Duplicate post - CDB

[ChannelDelibird]

Vote Count

McMenno (5):

Fenchurch, Klick, Porochaz, Cogito Ergo Sum, McMenno

cpol (1):

Postie

Postie (1):

Wenna

Not voting (3): cpol, Nexus, Primate

With 10 players alive, it will take 6 votes to execute.

Time until deadline: (expired on 2022-05-04 13:33:00)

PSA: How to use vote tags

[vote']Example[/vote'] (removing the apostrophes)

[Porochaz]

I could see cpol being a good guy, bad guy, or good guy thrown under the bus.

So you're a tough guy
Like it really rough guy
Just can't get enough guy
Chest always so puffed guy

[Porochaz]

Are you saying you don't remember why you were convinced that Bella was scum or claiming you simply didn't care about such things at the time?

I mean it can't be the former, since they said themselves they were less convinced of the Bella vote. So I'm guessing the latter. But then it would have only taken a minute to look through their post history, so yeah, either way...

[Nexus]

Postie how do you feel about the big old mcmenno wagon, given your insistence that cpol is scum.

Could you be wrong?

[Nexus]

Self voting is such a dumb thing to do.

[cpol]

Given that I saw the Meno trigger pull exactly as Fenchruch did, I'm more than happy to hammer Meno at this point. Poro’s points on the backtracking on previous promises to not hammer also back up this feeling. Even if the excuse if that they were zooted (I love it), that can't be an excuse that is allowed to stand. However, I do want other people to have the chance to post before the day ends, so will hold off in doing so just for now.

I see Fenchurch vs Postie as a likely Scum vs Town interaction, and I'm leaning towards Postie as Meno's scumbuddy. There seem to have been a lot of mental gymnastics going on in trying to discredit the potato play, both yesterday and today. And despite what has got to have been one of the most dubious quick hammers from Meno I’ve seen, Postie hasn’t said anything about it other than the very quick vote/unvote. Postie is putting up a better defence for Meno than Meno is themselves!

[cpol]

Also, thank you to whoever allowed me to be alive and playing on my Scumday! aha