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What in your right mind would be and Val being scum together make any sense for going at each other….?No matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.
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That's not really what happened. You started yesterday on BigTerp, then parked your vote on me for a bit, then voted Val when the Jailkeeper scumcased him.
Before yesterday you and Val were thick as thieves, so that kind of turnaround in relations makes sense if you're partners in my eyes.
Is your only defence that you voted Val? Or can you expand?-
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So I did a pretty VC for every single page of this damn gameNo matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.
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Ngl: VC even points slighty to you. My vote on you and you not be hammered also makes me think its you, but then again Val & BigT were never on at the same time.No matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.
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The one thing holding me back right now is that DanT thought you were town, but i didnt agree with the logic on why he was clearing you throughout everythingNo matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.
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Spoiler: Day 1
Spoiler: Day 2
Spoiler: Day 3No matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.
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what really bothers me tho is Val trying to get me to vote you again to confirm him/bigT as not the scum team.
I legit used that same tatic to get town!math to elim a PR d1No matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.
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Granted, i was feeling like shit that day so I went to lay down by the time BigT came to hammer ValNo matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.
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In post 989, BigTerp wrote:If Val is town, the only one besides myself who could hammer to end the game would be Furtive. He came on, addressed the increased participation in the game (5 pages added) and said he'd be back in a few hours to digest and post. That would indicate scum!Furtive trying to buy some time to figure out the plan for the Val/Furtive scum team and essentially eliminates the possibility of a Mala/Furtive scum team.
The only thing holding me back from hammering Val is the possibility that Mala is bussing their partner and started the wagon. Seems rather unlikely. I've mentioned plenty of times how Furtive is my #2. Mala had previously voted there and would only have to convince myself to complete the miselim, with the hammer coming from scum!Val. So scum!Mala wouldn't have too much trouble getting a miselim on town!Furtive. So again, scum!Mala bussing scum!Val seems rather unlikely.
The first scenario seems like an obvious one though, especially considering I've been sitting on my vote since Val went to E-1. The smarter thing to do would be for scum!Furtive to quick hammer scum!Val and then FOS me to a miselim day 4.
Man, I think I've convinced myself that Val is scum. If they are town, and I know I'm town and Daniel is confirmed town the only thing scum!Furtive had to do was vote Val and it's game over. Why in any possible scenario would they not do that?
I'm scared........................VOTE: VAL89
I'm still mulling both of these posts over.In post 991, Val89 wrote:I suspect that was actually a legitimate stalling post by Furtive, and didn't actually look at the vote count, but if that was a deliberate last fuck you to me... Good one, you can have that
I REALLY like this whole thing by BigT up until the "i'm scared.......... "
& this last post by Val was "ugh"No matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.
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This is definitely a big reason for me thinking it's you, but it's probably not the biggest reason for me.In post 1003, Malakittens wrote:Ngl: VC even points slighty to you. My vote on you and you not be hammered also makes me think its you, but then again Val & BigT were never on at the same time.
I'm trying to see town!Mala townreading scum all game and voting them at Elo, but it's quite difficult.
The most likely explanation to me is open pairing all game followed by bussing when neither me or Terp was looking likely to be the elim.
Can you explain your thought process regarding Val throughout the game?-
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I'm sorry when a fresh player comes in and opens a perspective of the game that you think your initial reads might be wrong.
Again, I was certain that you were the partner between either BigT or Val, it was trying to find which one was your partner, but it's weird that Val started to full push me when i started to push you.No matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.
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Changing reads is fine. It's just that I can't see a natural progression in your thought process. You went into day 3 scumreading BigTerp the most, then voted for me (town) at Elo instead of voting with the confirmed like I said we should, then voted Val when Daniel came in and scumread Val.In post 1013, Malakittens wrote:I'm sorry when a fresh player comes in and opens a perspective of the game that you think your initial reads might be wrong.
Again, I was certain that you were the partner between either BigT or Val, it was trying to find which one was your partner, but it's weird that Val started to full push me when i started to push you.
Now you're saying you consistently scumread me but weren't sure whether it was BigTerp or Val as the partner.
That's not what I can see in your posts at the time.-
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well i guess we are waiting on BigTerp
since obv FG won't be changing his mind
which is really bad in EOL if he's townNo matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.
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I'll start off by saying that Val played an excellent game. I was thoroughly convinced they were town, right up until I made my last post before hammering them. Not sure if they had planned to pocket me at any point, but they sure had me there. After Furtive made their appearance, and stated they would catch up and be back "in a few hours" my mind started spinning. Furtive and myself were the only ones not on Val, who was at E-1. I know I'm town, so why would Furtive make a post without hammering? It honestly flipped me out a bit. I expected scum!Furtive to come on and hammer, which would allow them to FOS me day 4 to a miselim and a mafia win. But when they came on and didn't hammer and I knew there was no other possibility at that point then a Furtive/Val team, I was still hesitant for whatever reason, to hammer Val. Hence my "I'm scared" comment before I voted.
So that leaves us with the following possibilities:
Val/Mala
Val/BigTerp
Val/Furtive
Val/Mala is unlikely. Even at ELO with 2 mafia remaining, I wouldn't find it crazy that mafia would have their vote on their partner. Starting the wagon though? Seems pretty bold. Val also started with the first vote on Mala day 3. They both bussed each other the remainder of day 3. I can't imagine a scum team doing this. Also, the below. scum!Mala would have a much easier time getting a miselim on Furtive than Val here. So why risk voting your partner here?
Val/BigTerp - Here 897 is mainly why this team is also highly unlikely. There isn't evidence of us both being on at the same time, but that vote was up for over 4 hours. Seems highly unlikely that a mafia quick hammer couldn't be coordinated in that time. Also, I was town reading Val HARD, and wasn't afraid to show it. Val seemed to lap that right up with many references to their town read of me, even to the point of calling me the towniest newbtown they've ever seen. I realize now, they were pocketing me and it nearly got a miselim of Mala for a mafia win. We also hadn't voted for one another up until I hammered Val to end day 3. I don't see mafia separating themselves from each other this hard all game. You would think there would be something done (a vote, an FOS, etc.) at some point in the game to look back on in this exact scenario to say "see, I voted Val there", or, "look, I had them pegged as scum day 2".In post 989, BigTerp wrote:The only thing holding me back from hammering Val is the possibility that Mala is bussing their partner and started the wagon. Seems rather unlikely. I've mentioned plenty of times how Furtive is my #2. Mala had previously voted there and would only have to convince myself to complete the miselim, with the hammer coming from scum!Val. So scum!Mala wouldn't have too much trouble getting a miselim on town!Furtive. So again, scum!Mala bussing scum!Val seems rather unlikely.
Val/Furtive - I honestly expected Furtive to come in, hammer town!Val and win the game. Even if Val flipped green, it would look as if I was the partner obviously not wanting to hammer. When Furtive didn't hammer, I knew they were scum. That eliminated a Mala/Furtive team, which was my #1 solve at the time. That leaves a Mala/Val team or a Furtive/Val team. Already seeing the Mala/Val team as highly unlikely, as I already described, Furtive/Val is the only remaining possibility.
Furtive - What's your case on Mala?
Mala - What's your case on Furtive?
Both - What's your case on Me?
I'm ready to vote Furtive and will need a LOT of convincing to change my mind.-
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EBWOP - Even if Val flipped REDIn post 1019, BigTerp wrote:Val/Furtive - I honestly expected Furtive to come in, hammer town!Val and win the game.Even if Val flipped green, it would look as if I was the partner obviously not wanting to hammer. When Furtive didn't hammer, I knew they were scum. That eliminated a Mala/Furtive team, which was my #1 solve at the time. That leaves a Mala/Val team or a Furtive/Val team. Already seeing the Mala/Val team as highly unlikely, as I already described, Furtive/Val is the only remaining possibility.-
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This is also solidifying my thoughts on town!Mala. Mala knowns my #1 is Furtive at this point. Why would scum!Mala waste anytime even slightly questioning my post here? Instead, scum!Mala would've run with it and hopped on the scum!Furtive train with me and rode it to a mafia win. Just like day 3!! Instead, they are still questioning my thoughts and not closing the door on the possibility of scum!BigTerp. Seems like a very townish way to be playing on the last day.In post 1010, Malakittens wrote:In post 989, BigTerp wrote:If Val is town, the only one besides myself who could hammer to end the game would be Furtive. He came on, addressed the increased participation in the game (5 pages added) and said he'd be back in a few hours to digest and post. That would indicate scum!Furtive trying to buy some time to figure out the plan for the Val/Furtive scum team and essentially eliminates the possibility of a Mala/Furtive scum team.
The only thing holding me back from hammering Val is the possibility that Mala is bussing their partner and started the wagon. Seems rather unlikely. I've mentioned plenty of times how Furtive is my #2. Mala had previously voted there and would only have to convince myself to complete the miselim, with the hammer coming from scum!Val. So scum!Mala wouldn't have too much trouble getting a miselim on town!Furtive. So again, scum!Mala bussing scum!Val seems rather unlikely.
The first scenario seems like an obvious one though, especially considering I've been sitting on my vote since Val went to E-1. The smarter thing to do would be for scum!Furtive to quick hammer scum!Val and then FOS me to a miselim day 4.
Man, I think I've convinced myself that Val is scum. If they are town, and I know I'm town and Daniel is confirmed town the only thing scum!Furtive had to do was vote Val and it's game over. Why in any possible scenario would they not do that?
I'm scared........................VOTE: VAL89
I'm still mulling both of these posts over.In post 991, Val89 wrote:I suspect that was actually a legitimate stalling post by Furtive, and didn't actually look at the vote count, but if that was a deliberate last fuck you to me... Good one, you can have that
I REALLY like this whole thing by BigT up until the "i'm scared.......... "
& this last post by Val was "ugh"-
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I'm pretty tied up each evening (EST), but will be sure to check in tonight.
Furtive - If you want Mala, you need to present your case.
Mala - If you want Furtive, I'm ready.
If you both want myself, I'd be interested to hear each of your cases. But at least give me the chance to respond before you vote.-
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In post 948, Malakittens wrote:In post 940, TistDaniel wrote:Though I should make note of this. Using the same logic that BigTerp used, we can conclude that if Mala is scum, furtive is almost certain to be her partner. There were two votes on Val, and BigTerp could hammer. If he were Mala's partner, he would have done so, because he was active at the time, and it would have won the game.
Now it's possible that Mala started a wagon on her own partner at ELO, but that does not seem like good play to me. I can see her maybe bussing her partner and voting her partner at ELO, but to start a wagon when there wasn't one?
As I see it, there's an extremely high chance that the solve is either furtive/Mala or BigTerp/Val. And of those two possibilities, I'm on BigTerp/Val.Yeah there’s no way scum would bus this late in the game unless they WERE forced
These two posts from Mala are giving me a bit of pause. Particularly the blue highlighted portions. I mentioned before how I don't think scum would bus their partner in an ELO situation. Maybe they would hop on eventually, but not start the wagon. Mala seems rather self aware about that and points it out twice during day 3. The back and forth between Furtive and Val from Mala, while also reading me as scum really has me thinking now. Could Mala have been intentionally causing a bit of confusion there? Could Mala have actually bussed their partner from the get go in ELO? And in return, their partner bus them right back? Or does Mala actually have it figured out with a Val/Furtive scum team?In post 801, Malakittens wrote:
Eh it's more of which of me/fg you ahve to sort out of who's scum more.In post 797, Asphodelus wrote:
Hmm.In post 789, Malakittens wrote:I laid my newbie scum-text-book tell regarding FG p out p well, in addition,to them acting diff.
VOTE: fg
screw it, if i'm wrong, i'm wrong, but i think i'm right
This is a Wifom. Im not sure where to lean into.
I can tell you right now FG will be voting me the next time he's in thread.
So say in theory if i'm town & FG is town -- then Val & BigT need to come in together to hammer FG to win right now say if they were the scum team.
now for theory for me!town one of a townie and the other scum partner need to vote in order for the scum team to win or both townies for that matter.
scum!FG we need either all three townies to vote for him or two townies & the scum partner needs to bus.
more than likely scum aren't going to bus when they are so close. the only time this theory is if there's a guilty then scum is gonna bus to the wall.
see above^In post 798, Asphodelus wrote:Yeah, there isn't a quick hammer. THat is odd.
But the other option could be Mala is the person, waiting on me to vote and then their partner quick hammers.
there isn't a quick hammer because not everyone has been posting at the same time.
for instance FG/Val/BigT haven't all posted w/in 10 mins of each other.
I will say when I was scum the last time against Val. I was waiting FOR days for my partner in ELO to come on at the same time to vote or me manilupating a townie to vote so i could hammer
I feel like in an ELO situation a town player is rather careful with their vote. Not in the sense that it draws suspicion, but that voting wrong could lead to a quick hammer with the scum team quickly doing the work. This is exactly why I kept my vote in my pocket waiting for scum!Furtive to hammer town!Val and end the game. When Furtive came on and didn't vote, I knew immediately that Val HAD to be scum. Mala was OK putting their vote on 2 different players day 3. Seems a little audacious, especially considering they were also fingering myself as scum.
Also, the red highlighted part above seems like an odd thing to say. Mala - why so certain that Futrive would be voting you day 3?
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