Open 851: Would You Like To Be My Neighbor? | Game Over!

[The Bulge]

vex
mala
bella
stranger

dv
std

meg
titus

smthn like that yea

[The Bulge]

@bulge we’re expecting your role and unless you claim friendly neighbor, who you’re in a hood with

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[The Bulge]

can we please wagon this already wtf

[Vex Vience]

no because you’re scum

[The Bulge]

lol

ok

bye for now

[Vex Vience]

i just find it especially weird that you disappear once a wagon gets going on you, comes back shortly after deadline is extended, and a replacement just starts hardcore defending you and going at me being scum.

so fmpov, you and titus are together, so you can die.

[Save The Dragons]

i still think bulge is an okay vote

don't feel great about it but not terrible either

[The Bulge]

no comment on vex, std?

[Save The Dragons]

im worried but would rather do you at this point

[The Bulge]

@vex

are you saying that when you made that post you specifically meant scenario 1 to be town!bulge and scenario 2 is scum!bulge?

its a simple y/n

[The Bulge]

im worried but would rather do you at this point

why is that

[Save The Dragons]

worried about you and yeet/titus more

[The Bulge]

what worries you i mean? i dont recall you giving a reason besides "huh"

[Save The Dragons]

it was a suspicious "huh"

[Save The Dragons]

i like that you're here now but i still don't feel super comfy about it

[Save The Dragons]

sorry i'm not in the best headspace to give you something concrete :/ but i'm trusting my gut on this one

[The Bulge]

dawwwwwwwg. like how is that a serious reason

pedit- ok fair enough, ty. im glad youre here as well. take it easy.

[Save The Dragons]

sorry i know how frustrating that can be i appreciate you trying i'm just trying to figure out if it's coming from a scum place because maybe vex is right and titus lit a fire under your ass

or maybe it's vex and this is a horrible miselim to do at this point and you're trying not to let it happen

i dunno man i'll try to read again and see what i think

[Stranger]

Mmm.

UNVOTE:

I share similar concerns over the sudden reappearance but get it. It sucks to be in a game like this under pressure and no one really does anything else.

To me, I find it very... confusing, why Vex goes to the lengths of this push as scum because it really isn’t necessary in this game. Maybe it’s a bit more needed now because there’s more defense on Bulge but... there’s a general sentiment of “eh sure why not” which means Vex could do a lot less and burn a lot less credit tomorrow on a town flip. It doesn’t feel necessary to

care

.

Similarly I think characterizing this as scum making noise, as Titus did, is... a weird way to characterize this game, because it’s not really noisy, it’s slow and apathetic.

[The Bulge]

i mean honestly if I'm still the lim today then so be it, sloppy miselims make D1 a content goldmine. and if the scumteams whole play is weaponized petulance then I have every faith we still pull a W. i'm not really all that frustrated rn (at least not nearly as frustrated as im known to get on here sometimes lol

[Stranger]

(with a smidge of StD),

whats this about

like "bulge is suspicious of and irritated by this one specific player...and is not acting suspicious or irritated towards this other player...and i think that is because ____________"

fill in the blanks pls

stranger are you townreading vex? if so why? do you think their push vs me comes from a townie mindset?

Going to squish these together. The StD thing was just where you I think (?) jested about StD role fishing but I put it as a smidge just in case.

And for me, feelings like irritation especially are very... all encompassing I guess? To me I don’t treat my townreads and scumreads differently if I am annoyed or frustrated and I don’t really zero in on just one so to see you do that to one person is unsettling, because I think you were really just... going all in on them from memory, and narrow focusing in a way I felt just didn’t make... a lot of sense to me.

I’ll reread when I’m home in a bit and see if I come to the same conclusions but Bulge, who do you think is with Vex?

[Stranger]

Also sorry if I’m reading your emotions wrong but it does come across as pretty miffed at times...

[Stranger]

The above is also a bit word soup-y I think because droning on about reading on feelings is a nebulous place in my head but as ever, can clarify, etc etc.

[The Bulge]

Mmm.

UNVOTE:

I share similar concerns over the sudden reappearance but get it. It sucks to be in a game like this under pressure and no one really does anything else.

To me, I find it very... confusing, why Vex goes to the lengths of this push as scum because it really isn’t necessary in this game. Maybe it’s a bit more needed now because there’s more defense on Bulge but... there’s a general sentiment of “eh sure why not” which means Vex could do a lot less and burn a lot less credit tomorrow on a town flip. It doesn’t feel necessary to

care

.

Similarly I think characterizing this as scum making noise, as Titus did, is... a weird way to characterize this game, because it’s not really noisy, it’s slow and apathetic.

what i think titus means by scum making noise, and i only assume this because it's how i see it, is that in a game with nothing going on, it's hard for anyone (town or scum) to make anything stick, or to really follow through w anything. now the difference is in the motivation to do a thing. townies in a dead/very slow game will be kicked into action when somebody does or says something scummy. easy. but scummos will kick into action

when they see an opportunity

. yours and std's votes for me were fine, whatever, nothing to say about that, its just the flow of the early game. but vex's initial hop onto my wagon had a completely mde up reason. vex saw an opportunity to get the ball rolling towards a miselim, and obviously any scum needs help from a group of misguided townies to push any miselim through. this is where the noise comes in. vex didnt start pushing me because i had done anything particularly scummy, they started pushing me because it was an opportunity to steer the game in a favourable direction.

[Stranger]

Mmmm.

A lot of the pushback I have to voting Vex does come from it feeling like there was a certain standard Vex had to meet to vote you to begin with, and that adding nothing else is something that was necessary to pass the test. It feels like... one of those things where there aren’t any standards provided, so theoretically nothing would be good enough i.e Vex is scum for not doing enough on the wagon.

I do get the sentiment though, scum bandwagoning on and riding it as it goes though. I just kind of wonder if (not wonder, know) everyone here knows that midway point is often a good place for scum to rest and are pressuring down because of that being an easier sell than the people who started the wagon before.