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[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: geraintm
long time no see

[Gamma Emerald]

@meuh

So...I have a way if random voting in every single game I play. Scorpious wanted me to break that pattern because they didn't want to go to 4 votes so quickly, but I ain't breaking my method for them. You can call it shutting down the conversation, but my last game had scorpious in it and they know elegantly what I was going to do

How does putting Scorpious to 4 votes fit into your RVS meta?

[Gamma Emerald]

The worst of the votes on you is the guy MM just voted, interestingly enough.

Elaborate?

The first post is generally NAI, unless it's a new player or on a new player. The self-vote is NAI at least to me because I don't know the player.

Vanya snap-voting for the self-vote has some scum equity, but also makes sense from a town dicking around since there does tend to be a joking stigma against self-votes.. The 4th vote took time and has thought behind it because it quoted a post, but also didn't say anything in the process.

If any vote is a "scum hop on" vote, it's likely that fourth one.

…I’m leaning town on you rn, tho I think you’ll spew your alignment down the road

[Gamma Emerald]

The worst of the votes on you is the guy MM just voted, interestingly enough.

Honestly, geraintm and unclevanya are easily tied for that title. I'd be down to nuke the scorpious wagon for one of those. I'll even flip a coin.

pedit well you took the words right outta my mouth lmfao

Quick reminder that provable randomness not allowed

[Gamma Emerald]

The worst of the votes on you is the guy MM just voted, interestingly enough.

Vanya's vote looks worse to me; sure it's earlier but it actually has some merit as an attempt to push the wagon forward
geraintm's isolated vote that doesn't seem to be made as such an attempt looks better to me.
though I think geraintm is scummier than Vanya?
I think the vote post itself looks worse for Vanya but further posts from geraintm muddies their alignment

How is mine even bad. Self-voting is always anti-town.

It can be pro-town in rare circumstances, ones I won’t get into rn
Why do you feel like it is always anti-town? It seems to have drawn reactions out of a couple players, which advanced the game out of RVS.

[Gamma Emerald]

New players tend to see things as very black and white like above.. But Vanya specifically said he's an alt.

Is playing on an alt common practice here?

Just look in the forum. I think there is a spot that you must declare who your main is.

I’m always too lazy, or don’t care enough.

And yes.. it’s super common. I’m not a fan.

When making an alt you must state your main in the registration
I have…a few, myself.

[Gamma Emerald]

New players tend to see things as very black and white like above.. But Vanya specifically said he's an alt.

Is playing on an alt common practice here?

Just look in the forum. I think there is a spot that you must declare who your main is.

I’m always too lazy, or don’t care enough.

And yes.. it’s super common. I’m not a fan.

As far as I know you only have to declare you alt to the mods upon signup.

You don’t even have to do that unless the game mod mandates it
However, listmods have access to the logs of which alts go to which main accounts

[Gamma Emerald]

The worst of the votes on you is the guy MM just voted, interestingly enough.

Vanya's vote looks worse to me; sure it's earlier but it actually has some merit as an attempt to push the wagon forward
geraintm's isolated vote that doesn't seem to be made as such an attempt looks better to me.
though I think geraintm is scummier than Vanya?
I think the vote post itself looks worse for Vanya but further posts from geraintm muddies their alignment

How is mine even bad. Self-voting is always anti-town.

Statements like this concern me.

Why.

Among Us lobby vibes

Explain?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why me fry me was pretty common on EM as well
I agree that it’s a solid newb tell, though can ya being an alt confounds a bit

[Gamma Emerald]

Though Vanya*

[Gamma Emerald]

scorpious and crescent seem town rn

[Gamma Emerald]

It depends on the kind of player he is. Some players stubbornly cling to their meta and don't really care about anyone challenging it. In the most recent game I hosted, two town players had roles that conflicted with each other night 1, and one of them spent the entire game, which ended day 5, calling the other scum because he was seeing things too much in "black and white".

MM's post is very on point though about the "opportunistic scum" angle that I pointed out could be in play earlier... I didn't elaborate, and he did, and I like that from him.

Is this about me?
I am only stunningly clinging onto my method of random voting

I've never played a game on this forum before. It was just a very recent example that came to mind of stubbornness that happened to come from a town player and could've resulted in a throw.

Tangential but I don't want to swallow thoughts this early and make it a habit.

Question of the day, if a player makes a vote but no one takes it serious. Did that person really make a vote?

Hello, everyone. This is my first game on this forum.

You waited 5 years?
Have you played elsewhere over that time?

I like these posts

[Gamma Emerald]

Question of the day, if a player makes a vote but no one takes it serious. Did that person really make a vote?

Hello, everyone. This is my first game on this forum.

You waited 5 years?
Have you played elsewhere over that time?

I like these posts

This one in particular seems NAI to me, what about it?

it seems like a fairly critical response

[Gamma Emerald]

Question of the day, if a player makes a vote but no one takes it serious. Did that person really make a vote?

Hello, everyone. This is my first game on this forum.

I don't really get why this intro is so scummy, honestly.
like yes, this isn't very game advancing content; more thorough thoughts on the game would be nice. The lack of it looks a bit bad
But the "question of the day" reads more like a townie thought than a scummy one.
dunno if scum opens like that
overall i feel pretty neutral on Moose
I'm interested on follow-up on that question of the day thing, why'd you say that, Moose?

The question of the day just reads as filler to me

[Gamma Emerald]

I can’t wait to see how Vanya reacts to the wagon on them.

Andres popping back in as a barely-active-so-far with a splinter vote on another barely-active-so-far just to comment on the Vanya lynch with no content reeks.

We don’t use the l-word here

[Gamma Emerald]

Abt moose in general, I couldn't jump on em' too fast for newbposting, but I'd like more substance from that slot.

@FugitiveMoose tell us your thoughts on the game pls, ty.

All the talk is fluff disguise as being something of substance. Not a scum indicator, just not much to go off of.

That’s how all games start.

[Gamma Emerald]

NM lives rent free in many people’s heads

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Vanya
Consolidating but moose still kinda sus

Moose did the "Hello guys" then dipped.

Literally null until they post more.

ngl I like Vanya’s re-entry

[Gamma Emerald]

OMGUS isn't legitimate. It's saving your butt. And I'm obviously not sure, but I'm a lot more comfortable with him than anyone else.

Vanya isn’t attacking you because you attacked him, but because your content was shallow.

[Gamma Emerald]

MonkeyMan also comes off as town from that discussion fwiw

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok, I'm getting that you guys are going to let his OMGUS slide. Let's move on.

Except that’s not what he did

[Gamma Emerald]

apparently it is pro town. I shall never criticize an OMGUS again.

nice strawman

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Fugitivemoose
Idr why I had my vote parked on geraint as long as I did, but I think moose has been pretty lackluster so far

[Gamma Emerald]

Force of habit working on it.

I don’t recall you using the l-word at all here?

[Gamma Emerald]

Does Titus ever lurk as scum?

not to my memory but I recall a period where I think she was rlly vocal about disliking d1s and was like that more as scum

[Gamma Emerald]

these prod timers kinda suck

[Gamma Emerald]

@meuh

So...I have a way if random voting in every single game I play. Scorpious wanted me to break that pattern because they didn't want to go to 4 votes so quickly, but I ain't breaking my method for them. You can call it shutting down the conversation, but my last game had scorpious in it and they know elegantly what I was going to do

and i think this is the post Scorpious is complaining about (and replace the worked elegantly with exactly) - where i said Scoripious would know how i random vote (and i thought they did because we have played together a few times) and so would know how i generated my random vote. i didnt say anything about them knowing my meta-playstyle, more i thought they knew my meta-random vote method.

How DO you generate your random vote, might I ask?

[Gamma Emerald]

That wouldn't surprise me. I feel like it's only really been a small contingent of people pushing things forward.

We've spent the last 2-3 days mostly just waiting for content from specific players. I feel like it's causing overall engagement to drop because people have generally said their piece on what we already have.

It's actually good to know this is considered "slow", though.. But I suspect anything here will be based on what I'm used to.

Things can go pretty wild sometimes. It seems to depend on the presence of certain players.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think scum want to slow the game down.

Who do you find guilty of this?

[Gamma Emerald]

If someone is being sparse in the hood I’d bet on them being scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

If someone is being sparse in the hood I’d bet on them being scum.

This is based on recent tangible experience by the way, so if someone fits this bill

let me know

.

[Gamma Emerald]

@meuh

So...I have a way if random voting in every single game I play. Scorpious wanted me to break that pattern because they didn't want to go to 4 votes so quickly, but I ain't breaking my method for them. You can call it shutting down the conversation, but my last game had scorpious in it and they know elegantly what I was going to do

and i think this is the post Scorpious is complaining about (and replace the worked elegantly with exactly) - where i said Scoripious would know how i random vote (and i thought they did because we have played together a few times) and so would know how i generated my random vote. i didnt say anything about them knowing my meta-playstyle, more i thought they knew my meta-random vote method.

How DO you generate your random vote, might I ask?

357

ah

[Gamma Emerald]

@meuh

So...I have a way if random voting in every single game I play. Scorpious wanted me to break that pattern because they didn't want to go to 4 votes so quickly, but I ain't breaking my method for them. You can call it shutting down the conversation, but my last game had scorpious in it and they know elegantly what I was going to do

and i think this is the post Scorpious is complaining about (and replace the worked elegantly with exactly) - where i said Scoripious would know how i random vote (and i thought they did because we have played together a few times) and so would know how i generated my random vote. i didnt say anything about them knowing my meta-playstyle, more i thought they knew my meta-random vote method.

How DO you generate your random vote, might I ask?

357

If someone is being sparse in the hood I’d bet on them being scum.

I was jnvited into one in my last game and I posted rarely. I didn't see thr point unless I could be sure of their alignment. I would read someone being circumspect as a cautious townie to be honest

not gonna change my mind rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I do feel like the way she revealed the hood is town-indicative

[Gamma Emerald]

also crescent, in my head the andres and moose wagon are on the same wavelength. I was on moose mainly because there wasn't as much of an implication of playing the game eventually. What about andres makes you prefer his elim?

Two reasons.

Andres' only bullet point of activity is a vote on MM that piggybacked off of my pressure, but he made no attempt to add pressure himself. That iffy vote is his only "content" of the game.

What raises the paranoia flags though, is he somehow went from 3 votes to 0 after not making a post in like two days, and it started feeling like he was kind of being ignored.

I think it’s worth noting, that this is one of Titus’ main reasons for voting me, lack of content.

And frankly, I can see where she's coming from. You've pressured 0 people and made a ton of side comments.

You've said 3 separate times you dislike the Moose Wagon, but only in the context that you're not sure Moose is scum. You've never said anything about the people on him.

You just flat out said you're "almost sure" Moose has scum on him, but again did not do anything about it.

Gamma Emerald, Dwlee, and now Cara. You have said *almost* nothing about any of these players all game. You haven't even mentioned Cara in one post, and she's the most recent vote. Your entire ISO almost completely ignores the existence of people who have actually voted for Moose. It makes your comment on his train come off as little but tripe. If you're so sure there's "at least" one scum there, why is your vote on the person who called you out for doing nothing about it?

yeah scorpious is all over the place here

[Gamma Emerald]

Also Crescent you need a pfp!

preferably a cute anime girl

I tried putting one up of a cat but it decided not to work and I was like whatever.

I think an image of the moon would work (because crescent moon)

[Gamma Emerald]

Ngl until that last post I was winding up to challenge Scorpious to put up or shut up with a scumread on me/Meuh/Dwlee

[Gamma Emerald]

Pagetop

[Gamma Emerald]

When you've got 10 days, you may as well think of everything you can.

Gamma and Dwlee have both felt very much in the background this game. The latter hasn't done much but vote the only two players less active than they are.

Anyways gotta drive.

Sorry about this btw
I’m kiiiinda checked out mentally

[Gamma Emerald]

Question of the day, if a player makes a vote but no one takes it serious. Did that person really make a vote?

Hello, everyone. This is my first game on this forum.

You waited 5 years?
Have you played elsewhere over that time?

I like these posts

This one in particular seems NAI to me, what about it?

it seems like a fairly critical response

And that can't come from scum?

Nah but I just said I liked it
If someone just has content that I like but doesn’t feel really incisive I’ll eventually start wanting more out of them

[Gamma Emerald]

Nah but I just said I liked it
If someone just has content that I like but doesn’t feel really incisive I’ll eventually start wanting more out of them

Nah you were townleaning.

I mean yeah but in early game that cuts it

[Gamma Emerald]

I hate Meuh's vote kn Dwlee. I don't see any build up to it, and then they use other people wanting to pressure them to justify their vote. It won't go anywhere, that isn't a wagon that is likely to happen anytime soon. It feels like a "I wanna be seen doing something"

It comes right after a wagon is forming is another player....so large naughty point for you

VOTE: meuh

I think this is rather valid, tho I also think her reads in general seem okay

[Gamma Emerald]

I just feel like Italiano picked someone out of a hat and decided to right a bible about while they are scummy, I think I've had a lot of good points for day 1 compared to a lot of players.

What are these good points?

Also I think 598 is not a good post

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: dwlee99
They feel somewhat lacking in quality content rn
I also think they may be scum with monkeyman

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s a fair suspicion, but tbh I think calling my TR “out of the blue” feels a bit harsh. I tend to form reads for reasons others might see as flimsy.

[Gamma Emerald]

Dwlee has been on my radar for a while.
The thing that sticks out to me the most is the early voting on someone after they have been mention in a unfavorable way. I'm feeling that it is a more of a scum move than a town move. Ex. casting a vote around and seeing if it gets traction on someone. Trying not to be too late on the wagon as well.
You're allowed to vote without a reason, when there is a lot of discussion going on about the person your voting and you agree. but continuing to cast a vote without giving a reason is suspicious.
Dwlee, also left the vote on Itailiano after the replacement for a little too long.
I also believe that the vote on MM was only after pressure and a wagon build up on dwlee.

For that reason

VOTE: VOTE: Dwlee

im realy noting this, further attemps to not have a MonkeyMan wagon go through and instead Dwlee

Also.

Worst vote here was Gamma who called them scum with MM during MM's buildup and voted Lee instead. Moose's isn't good in a re-read though. It's too apologetic.

The quality of votes on DWlee in general is pretty bad right now outside of Meuh. It's also a vote I don't particularly want anymore as the day has gone on.

My top two scumreads by far are MM and Scorpious. I've been doing mental gymnastics on it because I feel them both being scum would be weird. I can't remember the last time two players hit 90%+ scum equity for me on day 1 of a game.

There’s a specific reason I chose to vote dwlee

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Crescent

Don’t make me say it

[Gamma Emerald]

We are not doing this claim hood nonsense. That's scum motivated. There's no proof there even is a PT Cop or not.

I’m confused that a) the hood has been called quiet by you AND Italiano and b) neither of you apparently give enough of a shit to actually cause things to happen in there given how long it’s been the case

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Crescent

Don’t make me say it

Say what?

he blatantly OMGUSed

We are not doing this claim hood nonsense. That's scum motivated. There's no proof there even is a PT Cop or not.

I’m confused that a) the hood has been called quiet by you AND Italiano and b) neither of you apparently give enough of a shit to actually cause things to happen in there given how long it’s been the case

Oh okay sounds wonderful, and what would you have us do?

Maybe talk between yourselves whilst you wait for the remaining company?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: monkeyman

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: monkeyman

That was hammer right?

yup
that's the

other

reason I opted to vote dwlee earlier

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll let the flip speak for itself

[Gamma Emerald]

Wrong link there I think

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: scorpious
yeah I'm thinking this is scum

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: scorpious
yeah I'm thinking this is scum

What changed?

consideration of the nightkill kicked in
there was no real objective to that kill, dwlee posited it could have been PR hunting but in that case why not shoot the softclaim that I don't think anyone really trusted enough to protect?

[Gamma Emerald]

So, please enlighten me in each of your own words how Roden being nk’d affected or didn’t affect your reads on me.

Who said this or implied this?

Honestly that looks self-conscious as hell from Scorpious

[Gamma Emerald]

I think you need to work on your reading comprehension.

[Gamma Emerald]

Geraintm I feel like I keep seeing you say things you need to do and then never you doing them

Weekends are bad times for me. Prod me Monday to do stuff

And yet people are in here asking what I’m not dead.

I engage and am almost always read as scum. Ger does this every game and people are like “cool, I’m good with that”.

Very frustrating

I think you being dead son quickly would be bad for the game
I am unlikely to vote you (unless I find your voting patterns are deeply suspect)

Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

The issue I have is... Gamma feels like he was already prepared to suspect Scorpious before the day even came up. That's not to say Gamma might not just be bussing him, but I really get a vibe from him that he knew Scorpious was going to be alive.

This is just plain wrong tho
In fact I was 100% expecting Scorpious to die

[Gamma Emerald]

Assuming your not today's elim scorp, I'd be willing to wait for N2. If you're legit, you could prove it.

???
This feels redundant

[Gamma Emerald]

Uncle Vanya,
Is this your first game or are you an alt?

Uncle Vanya,
Is this your first game or are you an alt?

Alt-boiiis

Cool. Thanks

VOTE: gamma emerald

long time no see to you!

scorpius instawagon is funny

Not really.. lol

I have an awful sense of humor. I just liked the bit, take what you can get :p

Stick with me . I’m a 6 but I’m funny

Uncle Vanya,
Is this your first game or are you an alt?

Uncle Vanya,
Is this your first game or are you an alt?

Alt-boiiis

Cool. Thanks

VOTE: gamma emerald

long time no see to you!

scorpius instawagon is funny

Not really.. lol

I have an awful sense of humor. I just liked the bit, take what you can get :p

Stick with me . I’m a 6 but I’m funny

Just gonna quote a few posts

[Gamma Emerald]

Didn’t mean to do it quite like that but w/e

[Gamma Emerald]

The push on scorpious today was always going to flush out a claim and nothing else

gonna be frank here, I don't like this

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah why say that when you didn't even vote there?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ger/Scorpious/JV?

Spitballin

why this team?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: dwlee
I agree there feels like there's an agenda present

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like Dwlee is trying to push the Scorpious v. Titus issue along
They were saying Titus was likely to have killed Roden and also have been calling Scorpious’ claim suspicious

[Gamma Emerald]

@Titus: What’s your read on Vanya? Has it changed, stayed the same?

Same question to Scorpious and Gamma.

Pretty much been stagnant on Vanya

[Gamma Emerald]

@Titus: What’s your read on Vanya? Has it changed, stayed the same?

Same question to Scorpious and Gamma.

I'm a little worried due to not remembering any recent posts but I still feel they are town.

What specifically makes you think Vanya is town?

[Gamma Emerald]

That seems valid for now. I’ll give Vanya a pass for today at least (barring new decisive evidence)

[Gamma Emerald]

Regardless, nothing I have said is to defend Scorpious. I've stated that they are often wagoned due to their playstyle to notify those who might not already know, I also stated my tonal read on them. In what way is this defending, and in what way is it incorrect.

If they flip Town, is what you're doing a red-flag because it's an incorrect read on them? What a load of rubbish.

Ehhhh

[Gamma Emerald]

Uncle Vanya is being replaced. I already have a player who has expressed interest and they will have the slot if they confirm in time

Mathblade replaces Uncle Vanya

el em ay oh

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: scorpious
yeah I'm thinking this is scum

What changed?

consideration of the nightkill kicked in
there was no real objective to that kill, dwlee posited it could have been PR hunting but in that case why not shoot the softclaim that I don't think anyone really trusted enough to protect?

This is a good question.

Assume Gamma is town, (which considering the hammer I think almost everyone should consider Gamma town), then if Gamma noticed a soft claim PR somewhere D1, why is that PR claim not dead?

Roden noticed it first and publicly outed it
Also I’m curious why that hammer makes me town.

[Gamma Emerald]

I really feel Titus is town She’s so much better at this game than she is showing, but when she does grace us with her presence, it’s “let’s kill scorp”..

It’s just so beneath her. I’m town, I’ll have no issue claiming if it comes to it. And yes I am a PR , and the focus needs to be elsewhere..


Ger could actually being scum this game. “Prod me then I’ll do stuff..” wtf is that?

Cool Scorpious + Titus. Excuse me I think there’s a fire over here. Like damn.

Anyone wanna convince me otherwise?

They’ve been 1v1ing more recently jsyk

[Gamma Emerald]

Question to everyone:

Who would you jail tonight if you were me?

Someone in the neighborhood probably

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m kinda thinking Titus
She complained early on that the hood wasn’t really active but didn’t actually seem to show genuine care
That kinda feels like she wanted to pocket people in it?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m kinda thinking Titus
She complained early on that the hood wasn’t really active but didn’t actually seem to show genuine care
That kinda feels like she wanted to pocket people in it?

I can definitely feel that. Especially how she’s not “omg be in my block” “my block”.

I also kinda feel Carca is with Titus for the response not S&S yet was on record suspecting Scorpious but then poof when I ask who they want dead.

Like I think Titus is the lynchpin with the Roden kill.

Interesting
You saw the comment at the start of this day right?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m kinda thinking Titus
She complained early on that the hood wasn’t really active but didn’t actually seem to show genuine care
That kinda feels like she wanted to pocket people in it?

I can definitely feel that. Especially how she’s not “omg be in my block” “my block”.

I also kinda feel Carca is with Titus for the response not S&S yet was on record suspecting Scorpious but then poof when I ask who they want dead.

Like I think Titus is the lynchpin with the Roden kill.

Interesting
You saw the comment at the start of this day right?

Kinda vague? You had a lot of posts at the start of the day.

Not mine, dwlee’s

[Gamma Emerald]

Question to everyone:

Who would you jail tonight if you were me?

Italiano / Crescent

So you’d jail excusively probably town in your eyes?

Damn this is a race for who is scummiest between you and Titus.

I'm more confident in guessing who scum would target than guessing who is scum, tbh.

I’ve had good sense in the past with trying to block scum kills but in a general sense I would say it’s easier to use JK as a doctor than as a roleblocker.

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait MathBlade do you think Scorpious is scum or no

No I don’t.

Why not

I already explained why not. Even night JK doesn’t make sense.

Scum would be throwing their utility away with that claim.

If anyone was blocked on an odd night (and then flips town) becomes policy.

Town scum both with blockers is practically unheard of.

So they’d be leashing Scorpious and if he didn’t agree with what majority town wanted another avenue of insta death.

It’s too restrictive. Scum under pressure almost always do some low powered invest for this reason.

It’s been a while since but I recall at least one game back from 2016 or so where there was a town and scum blocker

[Gamma Emerald]

Video that’s relevant

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s more than 80% likely the scum has at least a scum in it.

Yes. It's definitely higher than 80% that scum has scum in it. I'd say it's 100%

Spicy. Who is it for you?

[Gamma Emerald]

I wish you were in the hood Carca because I really, really think you’re scum.

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This is town you. You say not to point out crumbs

Damn I have no memory of that game
Town clearly sucked tho looking at the op lol

[Gamma Emerald]

The push on scorpious today was always going to flush out a claim and nothing else

gonna be frank here, I don't like this

not sure why this upset you?

Try looking one post down

[Gamma Emerald]

okay

[Gamma Emerald]

Math has already gone over his TR on me pretty substantially
Feels like there’s ulterior motive to that question Carcalilly

[Gamma Emerald]

Math has already gone over his TR on me pretty substantially
Feels like there’s ulterior motive to that question Carcalilly

Confused, who has alterior motive.

Literally said it in the post
#readingistech

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Titus
I get the sense mathblade is on the right track

[Gamma Emerald]

you "called me out" but didn't opt to actually push me. Feels like you're afraid to actually make the move.

[Gamma Emerald]

ItalianoVD - old Andres. Andres I had a huge problem with. Italino is a bit better. Still feel better than I did before. Lean tiwn.
geraintm - Goal to reread to sort.
Gamma Emerald - problem with the hammer. Better today. Goal to sort.
Meuh - Strong town. Leader in producing content.
Scorpious - Obvious Scum.
Mathblade - Strong town lean. It would solifidy if I saw some scumhunting not contingent upon scum in hood.
Titus - me
Uncle Vanya - Was strong town because sole activity in hood. Dipped now bc low activity. Worried they took advantage.
Crescent - I don't remember them.
Dwlee99 - Strong town. Solid analysis.
Carcalilly - I felt strong town yesterday. Don't like fencesitting. Math is right there.

here Titus says she'd like to sort me, but it doesn't feel like she's done anything to actively attempt that. And yet she's throwing shade saying I may just be scum instead of tstbs, when combining that with hood issues I called out earlier it becomes rather problematic

[Gamma Emerald]

You see Titus/Carca/Dwlee Gamma?

Titus just goes “it’s bad” on Dwlee and doesn’t want to cooperate and go for Dwlee?

Like c’mon. There’s no way Dwlee should be strong town.

that seems viable
most confident on titus and carca

[Gamma Emerald]

you have done jack shit about that scumread though, you've neither pushed nor actively attempted to sort me. And I'm not saying your problem with the hammer is pretend. Don't get how you read that into my comment.
Also: I think the idea me + Scorp could be scum together is rather wild based on how I've interacted with him this day phase.

[Gamma Emerald]

you have done jack shit about that scumread though, you've neither pushed nor actively attempted to sort me. And I'm not saying your problem with the hammer is pretend. Don't get how you read that into my comment.
Also: I think the idea me + Scorp could be scum together is rather wild based on how I've interacted with him this day phase.

I've quoted it here. My goal is to find 1 scum today, not the team.

it feels like you're content to chain miseliminate scorpious today and me tomorrow based on the weak effort of your read on me.

[Gamma Emerald]

you have done jack shit about that scumread though, you've neither pushed nor actively attempted to sort me. And I'm not saying your problem with the hammer is pretend. Don't get how you read that into my comment.
Also: I think the idea me + Scorp could be scum together is rather wild based on how I've interacted with him this day phase.

I've quoted it here. My goal is to find 1 scum today, not the team.

it feels like you're content to chain miseliminate scorpious today and me tomorrow based on the weak effort of your read on me.

If Scorpious flips town (he won't) then I'd have zero credible to push you. Town you would know this and never suggest this. Fake paranoia.

???
maybe you'd lose credibility but your case wouldn't have to change at all
also I said the thing about partners because you implied it earlier in your comment to math

[Gamma Emerald]

Despite my disagreement with Math I don't think Gamma is scum. I just wouldn't locktown him.

Carca's Day 2 activity has been pinging me. And then not saying much when she does post.

Clarify, activity as in post material or frequency?

Both. Feels like you have the game figured out or you like where the gamestate is and are not trying to do anything to change it.

Frequency has slightly to do with the fact that I'm still not home. Material wise, my reads shift little because little has happened to make them change. I'm not a player that can play devil's advocate just for the hell of it, but I will when I feel it's actually necessary.

hmmm

[Gamma Emerald]

Despite my disagreement with Math I don't think Gamma is scum. I just wouldn't locktown him.

Carca's Day 2 activity has been pinging me. And then not saying much when she does post.

Clarify, activity as in post material or frequency?

Both. Feels like you have the game figured out or you like where the gamestate is and are not trying to do anything to change it.

Frequency has slightly to do with the fact that I'm still not home. Material wise, my reads shift little because little has happened to make them change. I'm not a player that can play devil's advocate just for the hell of it, but I will when I feel it's actually necessary.

hmmm

What's shakin' bacon'?

your debate with math felt a little protracted for your stated opinion on me and your mindset on playing devil's advocate

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
:/

[Gamma Emerald]

Two protectives is real? Bullshit. Show me where it has happened.

we were in a setup with doc + JK + RB a while back
but yeah I don't think doc neighbor + even night JK exist
and I quoted some posts regarding it earlier, scorpious' crumb was not very full-send, there was multiple interruptions
my issue is math's solve felt coherent, and I feel like given his history a coherent solve from him should probably be right

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyone got a read on Meuh?

not really
she's in my blind spot rn, partially because she hasn't posted in a while

[Gamma Emerald]

fyi godfathers are explicitly banned in normals but false innos to non-cops are allowed

[Gamma Emerald]

inb4 Mathblade/Titus S/S

[Gamma Emerald]

why even bring it up?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm good eliminating carca or meuh

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Carcalilly
I wanna test a component of math's solve this day phase
I'm fairly sure he's town regardless tbc

[Gamma Emerald]

Jesus christ. Nah.

VOTE: Scorpious

I believe Titus more than Scorp.

VOTE: Carc

Wait no.
VOTE: Meuh

I think that scum woulda discussed it, and I doubt scum would ask to full ass defend a buddy here with this much conviction.

I think carca's vote was bad regardless of titus' alignment

[Gamma Emerald]

Math is absolutely right by the way. As much as I personally hate letting situations like this go relatively unresolved, it's only day 2 and we should not be killing either of them.

Math is right??? I was the one that had to convince them.

Yeah he calmed me down from rage Math

Now, if only he could get you to actually vote scum. Oh wait that violates any pride.

can you not be a bitch to math for one fucking game?

[Gamma Emerald]

Can he not always dismiss me or call me scum for one game? I was extremely respectful the last game we played. I'm done with being insulted.

I feel like he was being alright in 2238 but you treated him like crap that game
also, I think with the context of his check on me his approach to you seems way more sensible then you're willing to give him credit for. you soft pushed his gunsmith inno for a good chunk of today. Me and math just had a game where I kinda tripped scum!him up by allowing him to dig his own grave pushing my traffic analyst inno.

[Gamma Emerald]

Can he not always dismiss me or call me scum for one game? I was extremely respectful the last game we played. I'm done with being insulted.

I feel like he was being alright in 2238 but you treated him like crap that game
also, I think with the context of his check on me his approach to you seems way more sensible then you're willing to give him credit for. you soft pushed his gunsmith inno for a good chunk of today. Me and math just had a game where I kinda tripped scum!him up by allowing him to dig his own grave pushing my traffic analyst inno.

I'm too angry to discuss this rationally but I never treat Math like crap, but have moved to policy eliminate him because he is frequently wrong and bad.

If you’re too angry to discuss this rationally please move elsewhere.

You have Scorpious scum locked
Carca and Dwlee town locked
The hood town locked

This means your PoE is tiny yeah?

Talk there please. That PoE is where we can see who responds to what.

titus doesn't have the hood townlocked, because JV is hood and titus thinks he's scum

[Gamma Emerald]

does anyone have a meta analysis on how JV plays scum/town? I think he might be a decent elimination but I want to be sure about it

[Gamma Emerald]

does anyone have a meta analysis on how JV plays scum/town? I think he might be a decent elimination but I want to be sure about it

....What's a Traffic Analyst, for the record?

I believe it's someone who gets a positive result if their targets communicates outside of the main chat.

Such as mailman, or neighbourhoods, or mafia chat. But not restricted just to night chats (as mailman is a positive result)

yeah this
but it also can't see people who have a night chat that doesn't have anyone else in it

[Gamma Emerald]

unless gera is being performative, he's town here

[Gamma Emerald]

Aight so it calmed down a bit and I’m fairly caught up for the most part. There’s a lot to fully unpack in these past 8 pages, but some of the things were already answered so I’m obviously not gonna be redundant.

Oh yeah and I agree with 1421.

If you wanna substitute myself for Gamma to get jailed just in case that’s also cool. I’m gonna go back and get to what I missed.

Math has a gunsmith clear on me and Titus claimed doctor
JK should be on me.

[Gamma Emerald]

A little bit maybe?

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk why an all girl scumteam even matters
This isn’t Survivor

[Gamma Emerald]

I also was townreading Titus without the claim and she is most certainly town now

No one other than me at the time of posting.

No one defending Scorp means probably town.

Scum make a ton of noise when I s.

i am pretty sure i said i did not think scorpious was scum earlier today

Get at least said he was staying away from me early today

He did, yes... Then I thought about it and I don't believe he ever actually called you town. He just said your train was inevitable, doomed to do nothing but make you claim, and that he wouldn't vote you.

Yeah that’s nagl

[Gamma Emerald]

Scorpious is biggest wagon but multiple people insist it "isn't happening" sad

Not rlly
Carca got to 3 with math and Meuh as spiritual votes

[Gamma Emerald]

Scorpious or his team have a roleblocker or strongman.

You die. We are in the same position.

Scum me agrees to this plan and then says I told you do.

I don’t think scum rb/strongman exist unless both you and scorp are town

[Gamma Emerald]

Nope. I don’t because Titus scum kills me.

I would rather do what we have here. It’s been talked out and discussed.

Please discuss reads.

Titus is also spread too thin, limming town Scorpious means if targets remain the same I die stupidly

[Gamma Emerald]

The reason I want a Carca lim is Math has a proclivity to land on the right solve sometimes so a Carca scum flip adds to the perceived odds of Titus and Dwlee being scum

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ve seen scum do some wild stuff
I wouldn’t write off scum all piling on a player as impossible

[Gamma Emerald]

@Crescent that Dwlee vote was because I was holding out for the NM-style hammer but had to do something with my vote in the meanwhile
NM’s means of doing so is to self-vote start of day 1 and I don’t think I’ve ever seen him change votes mid-day 1 except to hammer

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ve seen scum do some wild stuff
I wouldn’t write off scum all piling on a player as impossible

The way people seem to regard Titus it seems like something she might encourage a team of hers to do.

It's probably not as simple as just all 3 being scum though.

Oh speaking of that, the question was slipping my mind, but.. How does setup meta work here? People have generally been acting like it's specifically a 3-person scumteam.

With what I'm used to, 3 in 13 is possible, but 4 is more likely.

4 typically requires a large quantity of town power roles
I’ve seen it also balanced in a normal as have 2 groupscum and 2 traitors

[Gamma Emerald]

why is crescent possible scum for you scorp?

[Gamma Emerald]

. . . . . .

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I trust Titus a lot less, thinking about that nightkill more in-depth

[Gamma Emerald]

Both of these days have summed up so perfectly why I don't rush to put people -1/-2~

yesterday your point is kinda valid but today we were riding close to deadline, so the unceremonious hammer is fine ig

[Gamma Emerald]

See I both don't like it and agree it's the right play.

The two feelings aren't mutually exclusive~

Yeah this is town Scorpious

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait what

[Gamma Emerald]

Either Scorpious needs a more visible avatar or crescent needs to get one period

[Gamma Emerald]

Nice lolcatting
This is a red flip I guarantee it.

[Gamma Emerald]

I really hope you’re scum Carca because you’re being a terribad person if not.

[Gamma Emerald]

Fair. I never said it, and was never called out on it.just bored in twilight..

Honestly didn’t know it was againSt the rules…

My bad

Figure.

Math, no point if C is flipped. I ain't dying and I have a shiny hood.

Why aren’t you dying???

[Gamma Emerald]

I can't remember the last time I didn't see a day come up on time. Is it kinda normal here? It's happened both days this game. It would explain why I seem to have been the only person OCD refreshing the page for an hour...

this mod seems to not give a single fuck about effective modding >:(

[Gamma Emerald]

I voted for Carca because MathBlade insisted on it and I figured there was no point fighting without flips

Gera and Scorpious can still both be scum

but I guess I should reconsider Titus based on whatever was happening in hood

Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

I have a hard time seeing Scorpious as scum with Carca. Gera I’m less sure about, but I still wanna hear Dwlee’s logic on that.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't see anything that rules out ger as scum with carca and I think he's individually scummy

I could be very wrong about everything though I guess

WHY is Gera individually scummy?

[Gamma Emerald]

Since it cannot be me without Titus

Why is this?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m pretty sure Italiano is town here
Me + Crescent + Scorpious + Italiano = 4/9 players lock town
Problem is everyone else I don’t really have much of a town vibe on at all rn

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Titus
Easiest vote ever. She let the Kayfabe drop HARD last night.

Btw y’all are forgetting Scorpious is even nights only

[Gamma Emerald]

Atp Titus scum flip gives a townblock of me + Italiano + Crescent + Scorpious + ig gera and JV as I see it

[Gamma Emerald]

Titus -> Scorpious if Titus is town I'll agree to

Scorpious is 100% town

[Gamma Emerald]

I was universal backup

[Gamma Emerald]

I wanna say that concession felt premature but the PoE was locked down to basically meuh and dwlee once titus flipped

[Gamma Emerald]

I might not say what I saw in Meuh because funni

>:/

[Gamma Emerald]

btw I'm gonna clear this up now, that hammer was something I would do as scum, but I did it here because I'd quickhammered as scum before and was looking for a chance to do it as town at some point.

[Gamma Emerald]

Does JK have a gun?

no, and it said as much in math's role so I have zero clue how he bungled that

[Gamma Emerald]

also Titus I'm really sorry for you because you kinda got eviscerated for reasons outside your control. First off, sometimes you just get boned by being inactive at the wrong times in a game, I have had that happen myself a couple times. Second, you were basically screwed by the fact that I'd already dealt with scum in a hood multiple times in my accessible memory and knew what to look for pretty well. The complete avoidance of the hood told me you knew Math was on his way out and were cowering in the meanwhile, and your overall pattern of work constantly getting in the way and always needing to catch up was a strat I had just seen from another player. I don't rate you lower for it at all tbc, since the other player who played like that I also respect quite a bit.

[Gamma Emerald]

This game was not in any way balanced.

One slot had to survive to not create masons.
One near guaranteed clear/guilty from gunsmith.
Unlimmable universal backup.
Unlimmable detective who autoclears if the game reaches 1 scum.


Versus 1 rolecop that can only detect one role.

I wouldn’t call my role or Gera’s unlimmable
There could have been a narrative that I was a scum backup neighbor

[Gamma Emerald]

this is the second game I played where I got to enter a neighborhood via being a backup role of some kind, and both were quite fun (was a scum backup neighbor the last time)
scum UB is normal but the way UB functions in normals is it only backs up roles of the same alignment
so I was double-cleared once math died

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly I think my wall isn't that extensive if I'm in the right mindset to post day 2 though. I ended up in the ER until past 2am, then the only route I knew home was blocked and my phone was dead. It took me almost an hour to find my way home on what should've been a 20 minute trip.

Things like this completely short circuit my ability to get into the mindset I need to be in to play mafia.

lifeshit comes first obviously, hope youre a lot better now tho. You're mad fun to play with actually, and I hope I see you around on the site more

If this were where I'm used to playing, I'd have had like 5 guys trying to "put me in my place" by the end of day 1 zzzzz

your old place of play sounds absolutely awful in terms of the people
I kinda wanna know what it was so I can avoid it at all costs

[Gamma Emerald]

was already gunsmith inno'd, plus since I got maht's role I could have potentially done something with that
I was probably gonna fake a result d4 if the game got to that point and I was alive (but seeing as scum knew what I was that was never happening)

[Gamma Emerald]

Meuh was online for a decent while after Math claimed. Had no posts elsewhere on the site in that time and then dipped as soon as they posted here. That was my tell. Not sure how reliable it is, but you were scum so eh.

I don’t feel like that’s illegal OGI?
You honestly could have just said she was lurking and left it at that

[Gamma Emerald]

That sort of callout is actively discouraged on my homesite because mafia isn’t the focus there and it makes people uncomfortable to have their activity monitored like that