Mafia Invictus Redux [Game Over]

[Bell]

Retracting Meuh TR,
they could be self-possessed town, sure.
But they could also be fake stubborn scum.

[Bell]

Self-possessed does not mean what I thought it meant.
I meant more like, they seemed stuck in their own patterns of thought and narratives. Like narratives with some highish level of viscosity to it. It's not particularly scummy, but it's not townie either.

[Bell]

Why was I awake at 4 AM.

[takotsubo syndrome]

Well these votes on me are a little odd, but ok.

I’m heading to try to catch some more zzz’s, but I’ll reply when I’m up.

Bell is for sure town; same with Kovu. Those are my solid top two town reads. I’m very confident in reading them both.

Hopefully I’ll be able to townblock soon & sort the rest of the scum out via PoE.

[Meuh]

Bell’s recent string of posts is very townie-like and they’re probably my strongest townread rn. Both situationally and based on their own actions they should be town.

I think I was too quick to sort VPB, some of the points made against him were pretty bad imo but that doesn’t somehow clear him either. Haven’t gotten many pings from him.

At this point I’m willing to just throw Gorilla/Bell/Fire into the townbin and assume they have good intentions, I don’t see why not.

Well these votes on me are a little odd, but ok.

I’m heading to try to catch some more zzz’s, but I’ll reply when I’m up.

Bell is for sure town; same with Kovu. Those are my solid top two town reads. I’m very confident in reading them both.

Hopefully I’ll be able to townblock soon & sort the rest of the scum out via PoE.

Okay this post is pretty good!

I’ll go back to
VOTE: Enchant

[Meuh]

Kovu in the townbin too!

[gorilla]

Bell’s recent string of posts is very townie-like and they’re probably my strongest townread rn. Both situationally and based on their own actions they should be town.

Why do you think it's townie?

[Kovu]

honestly I'd love to hear more on the Bell TRs, cause this isn't exactly mirroring the bell!town I'm familiar with, this bell isn't doing too much, but it's also like half this freaking table is doing nothing, soooo idk, someone called enchant town right? I'm also really curious on that.... cause enchant is one that still has 0 content

[Kovu]

For Enchant tho, I feel like he would be doing more as scum.

ah yeah, the person I'm voting was the one to call enchant town...

[Kovu]

In what world does enchant give MORE as scum? we barely even get anything from town!enchant as it is, like, the fact this game is
- no one doing anything
- making bad reads like this


I am genuinely just annoyed tbh, like can people DO SOMETHING??? like literally, half the table is doing nothing, has done nothing, I don't care that half yall are V/LA, you gave nothing when you were here, so am I just supposed to sit here for 3 more days just waiting for you to show up and say something? this is seriously annoying

[fireisredsir]

These 3 posts felt town to me. Come across as v. natural

well that's odd, cause i feel exactly the opposite. like they come across stilted and unnatural and like they're having to force themselves to come up with content

Well these votes on me are a little odd, but ok.

why are they odd? you seem to be somewhat experienced, i would think you should know that you haven't really done much that's towny

[Kovu]

we've been here 3 IRL days... and 8 of yall don't even have 10 posts, like, it's not that hard to ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME YOU SIGNED UP FOR...
Probably time to step away for now, but seriously, EIGHT of you can't even post 10 times???? and 1 of the 8 is literally a hydra that seems to care more about their gimmick than playing the game

[Enchant]

- making bad reads like this

How many scum you killed today?

[Meuh]

Bell’s recent string of posts is very townie-like and they’re probably my strongest townread rn. Both situationally and based on their own actions they should be town.

Why do you think it's townie?

Their reads just seem to flow naturally, though specifically the progression in those posts looks good.
The switcheroo on the read on me seems hard to naturally emulate for scum but Bell looked genuine.

honestly I'd love to hear more on the Bell TRs, cause this isn't exactly mirroring the bell!town I'm familiar with, this bell isn't doing too much, but it's also like half this freaking table is doing nothing, soooo idk, someone called enchant town right? I'm also really curious on that.... cause enchant is one that still has 0 content

I don’t have any input on Bell’s meta bc I’ve never played with them.
Like I said earlier, being unhelpful at times doesn’t make someone scum, as much as that would be nice.
iirc most arguments made against Bell either
-Revolve around them being mildly unhelpful
-Revolve around their meta
Neither of which are compelling to me.

[Kovu]

- making bad reads like this

How many scum you killed today?

Well I'm voting 1, and Invictus killing another, which is more than you've done soooo

[Kovu]

hey Enchant, who is town?

[Bell]

To be fair, meta is a very good way to read me. Most of the time.

Gorilla isn't saying it, but they are unhappy that someone changed their mind. It's easier to get rid of me earlier than it is to get rid of me later, because I inevitably find the time to become impossible to eliminate. If you want to kill me, it's best to go in early before I start towning it up. I don't really think other than my semi-awkward entrance (for me) that you can say I'm not really reflecting how I normally play. There's not much nuance behind what I'm saying yet, because a lot of the posts players have made, I've seen some shade of before.

Also, Lukewarm asked me to answer questions and engaging with people's questions has almost never been fruitful. They usually just dig themselves into a scum read because they can't tell what honesty looks like or they're scum that doesn't really care.

[Kovu]

To be fair, meta is a very good way to read me. Most of the time.

I hate when people bring up self meta... literally the meta I have for you right now says you're scum, you want me to just sheep that?? like if YOU are bringing up your own meta, it means you're aware of it, and normally people only mention it if they think they're mirring their town meta, but like, here it really feels like this is textbook scum!bell to me, and you going "BELIEVE THE META ON MEE" isn't helping

[Bell]

Yes, please sheep your meta unto scum me.

[VP Baltar]

As a sidenote, I disagree with your Dunn townread - I think I've seen like 3 people say they townread him and to me he looks the same as he did in the last game I was in where he was scum (Slaughter Hour), and I don't remember him being different in World of Tomorrow where we were both scum with him either (though my memory of that game isn't great tbf and I checked out a bit after I died). Like I haven't seen him as town in ages and it's still early game, but his vibe still seems like *he exists a little bit but never sticks his neck out and makes a big deal of anything relevant*.

I'll try to give this a read later. Most times I have seen Dunn scum, he hasn't seemed very comfortable or proactive D1, which is the vibe I'm getting this game. Admittedly, it's a very weak reason to meta read someone. Definitely not a lock read for me, but I had recently written that in my notes when datisi asked for takes, so I figured I should just disclose to give us something outside bell/marci/datisi to talk about generally.

[gorilla]

Gorilla isn't saying it, but they are unhappy that someone changed their mind. It's easier to get rid of me earlier than it is to get rid of me later, because I inevitably find the time to become impossible to eliminate. If you want to kill me, it's best to go in early before I start towning it up. I don't really think other than my semi-awkward entrance (for me) that you can say I'm not really reflecting how I normally play. There's not much nuance behind what I'm saying yet, because a lot of the posts players have made, I've seen some shade of before.

I wasn't actually implying anything, just trying to understand your perspective. To me your posts didn't say a whole lot that would make me townread you, but I don't find there to be a compelling case on you and I don't townread most of your voters.

[Kovu]

Yes, please sheep your meta unto scum me.

what are your thoughts on Lava calling Enchant town cause "scum enchant would do more"

[Bell]

*pokes Baltar* are you scum again? Because you're doing that thing where you collaborate with people inoffensively.

[Bell]

Yes, please sheep your meta unto scum me.

what are your thoughts on Lava calling Enchant town cause "scum enchant would do more"

I've never seen Enchant do a goddamn thing as either alignment.

[gorilla]

Gorilla isn't saying it, but they are unhappy that someone changed their mind. It's easier to get rid of me earlier than it is to get rid of me later, because I inevitably find the time to become impossible to eliminate. If you want to kill me, it's best to go in early before I start towning it up. I don't really think other than my semi-awkward entrance (for me) that you can say I'm not really reflecting how I normally play. There's not much nuance behind what I'm saying yet, because a lot of the posts players have made, I've seen some shade of before.

I wasn't actually implying anything, just trying to understand

Meuh's

perspective. To me your posts didn't say a whole lot that would make me townread you, but I don't find there to be a compelling case on you and I don't townread most of your voters.

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