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[GuiltyLion]

I'm not sure i like this - and i've never played with meuh / wouldnt necessarily expect them to have this perception of me

I actually find this a little alarming but i'm not sure if i dont like this because its about me or not

also on this - regardless of meta (which I wasn't supposing Meuh had either, just pointing out my own experience with you as scum), do you think it's reasonable for town to be confidently calling you town on "good vibes" at that point?

I'm usually gonna want to be suspicious of the people that too easily townread me

[GuiltyLion]

like, Meuh says she thinks Beat is town, thinks you're town and has no issue with your push on Beat

says she thinks Isis is town, has no issue with Cakez vote on Isis and actually grills me for calling it out

this is the behavior I'm pointing to when I say Meuh is looking more to make buddies than find scum, usually townies are at least somewhat suspicious of people voting and casing their townreads

[skitter30]

Nor this, lowkey feel like you're wk-ing isis?

At first i thought partners, bur i'm not sure you'd go out on a limb like this for a partner so then i thought wk-ing

I see people making bad/lazy votes, I call it out

if you think I'm WKing, that means you would think Isis is town in that world, does that change your view of Cakez vote at all?

the goal of WKing is usually to make yourself look good when the WK-ee is revealed to be town, do you think my play is currently accomplishing that?

If isis is town i'm a little more suspicious of cakez, yes
I guess for isis - i feel more like you're defending her than challenging bad votes, which is why i suppose i feel like you're defending her

And i'm not sure what your goal is - like i said my first thought was that you're defending a partner. You just seem to be defending her a lot and i dont know why

[skitter30]

I'm not sure i like this - and i've never played with meuh / wouldnt necessarily expect them to have this perception of me

I actually find this a little alarming but i'm not sure if i dont like this because its about me or not

also on this - regardless of meta (which I wasn't supposing Meuh had either, just pointing out my own experience with you as scum), do you think it's reasonable for town to be confidently calling you town on "good vibes" at that point?

I'm usually gonna want to be suspicious of the people that too easily townread me

- if they know me, def not
- if they dont know me, maybe, people townread me for bad reasons often, and it comes from both town and scum so i dont find this inherently bad

I dont think i've done much ai - i was questioning the isis townread more cuz i'd put her in the first bucket, and that's why i was asking ari about cakez cuz i would probably put him there as well

And i guess - what do u think abt the fact that both isis/cakez are townreading me? You're focusing on meuh's and that's the one i'm least concerned about for reasons above

[skitter30]

she's really tricky as scum

This is the bit i find alarming,to clarify ^

Feels a little like pre-emptively trying to prevent a tr on me

I am acknowledging that i might just feel this way about this cuz its about me, it is possible i'm reading too much into this

[skitter30]

like, Meuh says she thinks Beat is town, thinks you're town and has no issue with your push on Beat

says she thinks Isis is town, has no issue with Cakez vote on Isis and actually grills me for calling it out

this is the behavior I'm pointing to when I say Meuh is looking more to make buddies than find scum, usually townies are at least somewhat suspicious of people voting and casing their townreads

I mean there wasnt that much to my push on beat
And liie i dont think these are *significant* contradictions given the state of the game we're at

[skitter30]

Ok i'm bouncing - i *might* post a little more this afternoon but otherwise wont be around until monday night

[GuiltyLion]

meh I think some of that "too much defending" feeling is cause Meuh was saying my post sucked and challenging me on why I was asking Cakez about it, but fair enough

I do think Cakez townreading you is also bad yah, I would think after years of playing this game he would not be so trusting

Isis, meh 144 felt like it was just giving a random read rather than meant to push the game any sort of which way from it so I care less about it.

the main reason I focused on Meuh though was what I tried to show in my quoted posts, she disagrees and pushes back on your Beat read but then just goes "skitter town " immediately afterwards despite you doubling down on it

[GuiltyLion]

it makes me wonder what her purpose was in probing you about Beat, it wasn't to change your mind since she dropped it afterwards, and I guess I don't see how it would really have helped her sort you either. no pressure, no clear re-evaluation on her end

[Meuh]

it makes me wonder what her purpose was in probing you about Beat, it wasn't to change your mind since she dropped it afterwards, and I guess I don't see how it would really have helped her sort you either. no pressure, no clear re-evaluation on her end

Since when did I probe Skitter on Beat?
I'll be real, I don't really care about the Beat push.
I posted 79 because to me Skitter was pretty clearly wrong about the intent behind Beat's vote.
102 was because I was prompted to look into Beat. A few things slightly pinged me town there
I think you're overestimating how involved I ever was with that push, it's just kinda there for me

[GuiltyLion]

I posted 79 because to me Skitter was pretty clearly wrong about the intent behind Beat's vote.

I guess maybe the thing I really want to ask here is - do you think Skitter being wrong about the intent of Beat's vote is town-indicative, or just completely NAI? What felt off to me the way you posted 79 and Skitter disagreed with you and reaffirmed she scumread Beat yet you then landed on a townread, I didn't understand the thought process of how that question and her answer lead to your read. But if 79 for you was nothing beyond clarifying a misconception then I might have less of an issue with it

[Meuh]

like, Meuh says she thinks Beat is town, thinks you're town and has no issue with your push on Beat

says she thinks Isis is town, has no issue with Cakez vote on Isis and actually grills me for calling it out

this is the behavior I'm pointing to when I say Meuh is looking more to make buddies than find scum, usually townies are at least somewhat suspicious of people voting and casing their townreads

I play this game from the basic standpoint of everyone being a well-intentioned VT. I also tend to townhunt more than scumhunt, and that works out better for me. I'm not particularly interested in changing that. It's fair to be weary of though, especially considering the setup tbh.

The vote from Cakez I haven't given much thought to. I just saw your post and immediately alarms were ringing in my heads, so I felt the need to call it out.

[The Ugly Fruit]

pretty sure that's 3/3 let's wrap this one up

right?? ill be signing autographs at game end for my outstanding performance of catching all the scum

bow down to my skills yall

You're skilled?

[The Ugly Fruit]

Looking over the messages and so far i'm getting townie vibes from both the Tiger PFPs

[the worst]

Also as the resident skitter apologist she is probably town this game as well given two mind melds already

this read is getting a firm "duly noted" -- the last time I was playing actively with skitter, mindmelding with her made me nervous. :p

I feel like there's enough about her motives that I struggled to discern that in another timeline I think I probably voted her yesterday but I don't really *want* to in this timeline and I agree with enough of her content that I think im also leaning slightly town?

this response changed trajectory in a way I didn't expect

86 reads like scum stream of consciousness more than town stream of consciousness to me. It feels like the possibility that Cakez is faking unawareness of the gamestate is being seriously considered and presented as content, even though that's actually an extremely rare thing (and beat is some flavor of seasoned). I think town would more firmly reject including the possibility with any prominence after making a felt-judgment to just rule it out (especially if the final conclusion is green); scum!beat however has an incentive to present it as content because it's not impossible for it to happen in a mafia game and it's reasoning process for developing a read

I initially had a similar gut dislike of this post as skitter did, it felt a bit contrived and over-explainy, but at the same time if it was entirely bullshit I think Isis would be a bit more self-aware of it being a bullshit push? The more I thought through the reasoning in this post the less I found it scummy

I had a similar kneejerk reaction, I thought it was kind of a lot but it is actually a very Isis read. Do you have a read on Isis atp?

[the worst]

isis posts too much words but ends up saying nothing of value most of the time, but the rare post where theres value I like so isis town question mark?

meuh, i cant explain it.. like her posts dont really look bad at a glance... but something deep down is telling me we've got to be wary about her.

excuse me rude this was gonna be my secret twist read
I think GL's vote isn't one I will be following rn but it was a good vote

[the worst]

Ok I am like 100% sure of one scum and the only hint I will give about this person's identity is that the avatar is a tiger.

is it the worst?

Frankie is a fierce tiger. you're my favourite.

[the worst]

Looking over the messages and so far i'm getting townie vibes from both the Tiger PFPs

could you expand on what you're seeing a bit?

[Meuh]

I posted 79 because to me Skitter was pretty clearly wrong about the intent behind Beat's vote.

I guess maybe the thing I really want to ask here is - do you think Skitter being wrong about the intent of Beat's vote is town-indicative, or just completely NAI? What felt off to me the way you posted 79 and Skitter disagreed with you and reaffirmed she scumread Beat yet you then landed on a townread, I didn't understand the thought process of how that question and her answer lead to your read. But if 79 for you was nothing beyond clarifying a misconception then I might have less of an issue with it

I kind of doubt someone would purposely misinterpret a pretty clear memey vote to drive an agenda, tbh. I don't think it was purposeful so I just think it's NAI.
So yeah my intent with the post was just to clear that up, not defend Beat. I only really got the town-lean on Beat after looking into them from being prompted by Skitter. None of Beat's posts really stuck to me beforehand. Whether Skitter townreads Beat or not doesn't really matter to me when reading Skitter.

[Meuh]

isis posts too much words but ends up saying nothing of value most of the time, but the rare post where theres value I like so isis town question mark?

meuh, i cant explain it.. like her posts dont really look bad at a glance... but something deep down is telling me we've got to be wary about her.

excuse me rude this was gonna be my secret twist read
I think GL's vote isn't one I will be following rn but it was a good vote

why not follow?

[Gamma Emerald]

63 doesnt really look like an rvs post tho

why?
(this is a genuine question but also a placeholder until I can read more)

[GuiltyLion]

hrrmmm harumph

VOTE: SirCakez

Cakez I also wanna know what you think of Isis' actual argument beyond just the "over the top" delivery of it

[skitter30]

@gl i guess when i read 157 and 158 the emphasis seems to be more on defending isis than questioning the votes on her, if that makes sense

Also did you have a problem with my vote on her?

Isis, meh 144 felt like it was just giving a random read rather than meant to push the game any sort of which way from it so I care less about it.

I mean i had voted her prior to this and she didnt react to that at all and instead just threw a vague townread on me which is ? to me

[skitter30]

Like given that background context characterizing isis's read on me as a 'random read' not necessarily 'meant to push the game any sort of way' seems a little questionable

[skitter30]

63 doesnt really look like an rvs post tho

why?
(this is a genuine question but also a placeholder until I can read more)

It immediately followed yours and was light-handedly accusing you of something that could be seen as scummy