Mafia Invictus Redux [Game Over]

[Lukewarm]

luke keeps posting things that i agree with and it makes me think he's town but then i just have a lingering feeling that he's posting them exactly because i agree with them

i don't mean to be self-centered but its happened like a lot

i also don't really think this is a super rational feeling but it has me concerned

Gonna be real with you fire, you seem nice and everything, but you would not be that high on my list of people to target with something like that.

I would be much more focused on the people I have played with more like Bell or Marci (or day 1, LLD or Datisi) or a louder voice like kovu.

[Lukewarm]

Or dunn. Forgot he was in this game

[fireisredsir]

what are your thoughts on mala?

[Meuh]

She had disappeared without a trace, an ominous omen of the times yet ahead. Rummaging through her papers they found where her true loyalties lied.

Perhaps surprising was the disappearance of Datisi, an aspiring young artist. Always lost in his own head, tripping over his feet and his words, and rambling about video games and the internet, he was a sign of the changing times. He had a passion for landscape paintings, and the day after Lady Lambdadelta's disappearance he took a trip out to the old fracking grounds.

Lady Lambdadelta has been eliminated! She was a...

Her determination manifests and reaches beyond this place of wrath and tears!
Datisi has been eliminated! He was a...

LLD is mentioned first in the story (and it's said Datisi disappeared a day later), her death and role pm are listed first and there's the thing about wrath and tears. If she isn't the one who died first and invictus shot Datisi, there's a serious modding error

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: Lavar

Oh yeah?

This is fascinating as a sudden response from you.

You better prove that role of yours tonight or you're dying tomorrow lol

The only interesting thing about that vote is that you actually responded to it lol.

I think it's interesting you directly avoided a growing Dwlee wagon for Lavar

I don't know that scum!Bell ever signs off on an LLD kill after this exchange and then a town Lava flip

[Lukewarm]

what are your thoughts on mala?

Bottom half of my reads. She has been a really small prescence in a way that I find suspicious, but don't have strong thoughts there. Don't dislike a wagon on her

[VP Baltar]

Player	Votes
LavarManos (11)	gorilla (790), Lukewarm (796), fireisredsir (800), Val89 (803), Meuh (822), Dwlee99 (953), Datisi (962), Bell (1014), Dunnstral (1090), VP Baltar (1123), Enchant (1134)
Dwlee99 (5)	Kovu (1009), Fey (1011), Lady Lambdadelta (1013), Gammagooey (1022), SirCakez (1034)
Datisi (2)	LavarManos (950), marcistar (1116)
Not Voting (2)	Malakittens (130), Rhyme and Reason (964)

I'm about here right now, readwise; I feel like a lot of these null ones will go one way or another throughout the day.

Few thoughts:

I don't think Dwlee's posts that you just quoted feel like town, Meuh. It's just justification for the Lavar votes and a bit of reconciliatory posting in 1054, but those don't do anything for me.

I also think LLD dying here means that she was the nightkill who shot Datisi, rather than the other way around. I think that points to what content she did give having been either 1) pointing correctly to Dwlee/Bell or 2) a frame, which... eh? I'm less inclined to think mafia wanted to frame than just kill someone who could exert a great deal of pressure on them when she's town.

Also I do think the Dwlee wagon is probably all pure, at max one scum on it. I'm working off the assumption that there are 4 scum in this game so maybe one on the Dwlee or not voting, the rest on the Lavar wagon to push it through because it really wasn't going anywhere. Probably in Gamma/Cakez if there is one but eh. I don't really feel like Kovu as scum just decides to start an EOD competing wagon to a town one. Just doesn't... feel like her from experience, but this is without a lot of back referencing.

Feels like I am doing some preflipping mentally so I'll sort that out through the day (Meuh scum attacking VP -> point to VP town but this is flimsy).

That's about it right now.

p-edit: I highly disagree with the idea that Lady's posting points to the people she voted being town. That seems backwards to me.

Curious why Luke is null range to you. You have a hard time reading him?

[Bell]

Hi baltar

[VP Baltar]

What an ass day 1

I bet scum were all over the Lavar wagon the reasoning for it was so bad

I find it hard to believe that Cakez town read Lava as hard as he claimed day 1. I also didn't like the way that he engaged with the case on Lava itself.

It feels more like he is just trying hard to look like The Person Who Was Right.

VOTE: Cakez

Don't really agree, rarely seen scum take the angle of being overtly angry over a day 1 mis-elim. Think the passion is real but misplaced.

Talking shit on a townflip wagon is a pretty common scum tactic actually? What are you basing this thought on?

It reads as pretty benign comments, not "overtly angry"

[Bell]

I can’t tell if LLD got invictus’d or if Datisi did.
I’m glad I read datisi correctlyish.

[VP Baltar]

Hi baltar

What up bey, who we killing today?

[Meuh]

I can’t tell if LLD got invictus’d or if Datisi did.
I’m glad I read datisi correctlyish.

1203

[Bell]

Tbh tbh.

Tbh tbh.

Tbh tbh. >_>

Maybe you.

[Gammagooey]

R&R is the one who never voted besides me, however, they are town.
Kovu is town imo.
I’m ok with a Luke & Marci town.

I really do need to reevaluate though and do a good reread, but that will be tomorrow most likely.

Why R&R town? I think they have a few reasonable/good posts after they dropped the post restriction, but nothing that makes me think they

definitely

couldn't either have or fake those opinions as either alignment.

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Bullet points and then I'm probably gonna run a couple errands and re-read some in a couple hours and see what pops out
-Think Cakez looks p. town for how he was posting once he got back from vacation day 1 + the Lavar & Datisi flips
-From memory VPB feels worse
-I like Val's posting today so far
-Don't reeeeally get why Dunn's coming up now when I think he would have been imo a better counterwagon to Lavar than Dwlee was yesterday but whatever
-If a wagon on Enchant literally ever comes up and they haven't started playing drastically better you can assume I'll be willing to hop on it

@VPB - How scummy did you actually think Datisi was at the end of yesterday? Don't need specific posts/reasons since he's dead but I wouldn't mind a touch more insight into the mind of VPB.

this vote I'm doing is lazy but I do want it dead and I'll maybe-probably change it later tonight
VOTE: Enchant

[Bell]

Anyway. I did the thing to confirm myself so I’m off the table now. Please keep that in mind.

[Gammagooey]

Anyway. I did the thing to confirm myself so I’m off the table now. Please keep that in mind.

Just to be clear

This is you saying that someone else in the game can and will confirm you as not just *having a role*, but *town*?
and if that several people find you to be sketch in the near future they will be able to say so and you will not magically have a handful of nothing or it suddenly be the person(s) who died last night.

please respond y/n

[VP Baltar]

Can confirm Bell's confirmed town (even if I think we could have kept the guessing game going longer, but anyhow)

@VPB - How scummy did you actually think Datisi was at the end of yesterday? Don't need specific posts/reasons since he's dead but I wouldn't mind a touch more insight into the mind of VPB.

Mildly. Datisi's effort was kind of low D1 (likely due to real life), which had me a little concerned ... but not enough that I would have wanted to lim him. I also think invictusing him was kind of stupid. Though I teased him about it, I wouldn't have had the confidence to actually set my invictus there when there are much better targets

[VP Baltar]

I have an additional thing to say about datisi, but it doesn't change anything. Just marking it now for posterity.

[Bell]

No shenanigan’s Gooey. Yeah.

[Bell]

I sent it to Baltar even though I heavily suspect them because they can’t kill themselves and they either need to put as scum, gambit, or out the result. Plus if they’re not, they get more context into the game and maybe get a clearer picture of the game state.

[Gammagooey]

Aight

Last thing I particularly want to share is that I agree with Fey's #1182 - marci in particular I feel like at least could have felt the risk was worth the reward - only being listed as a 'good wagon' by LLD when I asked her about it I don't think would have been that high of a perceived risk to scum-marci, especially if scum hoped for LLD to kill Bell instead.

ok back in a couple hours probably

[VP Baltar]

LavarManos (11) gorilla (790), Lukewarm (796), fireisredsir (800), Val89 (803), Meuh (822), Dwlee99 (953), Datisi (962), Bell (1014), Dunnstral (1090), VP Baltar (1123), Enchant (1134)

Ok, now that Bell is out there, fmpov this wagon is a bit easier to assess.

We got Bell and Datisi confirm town. I'm town. I think Luke, Fire and possibly Dunn are town (though not certain on Dunn and trusting my gut for now.

That leaves:

Gorilla
Val
Meuh
Dwlee
Enchant

My prediction is that more than one person has enchant as an invictus target, though we can talk about merits of limming there if needed.

I'm personally most inclined to lim dwlee or Meuh from that list. Gorilla isn't exactly a town read. His play feels distanced from the game in a way, and I kind of still standby my "probably one scum in gorilla/gamma", but that's not a good reason to want Gorilla today. It is enough to warrant me rereading gorillas day 1 though.

VOTE: meuh

/streamofconsciouswriting

[Meuh]

Dunn/Enchant/VPB/Cakez/Mala probably has like 3 scum

[Val89]

I can see why Meuh is attracting votes.

[Meuh]

I can see why Meuh is attracting votes.

Same
I think I've been doing a worse job at actually articulating my thoughts than I usually do

I should make some sort of readslist or at least be clearer about stuff