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[Aristeia]

if anyone other than mathblade thinks I am unclear with why I think enchant should be treated in the manner I have stated I will explain again.

[MathBlade]

I have no idea what you're talking about I think my logic is incredibly clear.

Let me try asking this another way:

Let’s assume for a moment scum or a vig kill Enchant N1 and he flips something other then cop/BP.

Does your logic apply for Asuaka D3 or Bellaphant?

Both of these two seem inactive (compared to when I replaced in).

Do they become new “policy” elims? It feels arbitrary.

[Aristeia]

my logic applies only for the person who is pick number one

[Malakittens]

;=;

this game

[Save The Dragons]

Hey you have a cake congrats

[MathBlade]

If your answer is yes, then your argument doesn’t apply to Enchant specifically and I want to hear about why you’re specifically applying it to Enchant only now.

If your answer is no, then I need to see why it only applies to Enchant only.

[Aristeia]

mathblade have we ever played a game where you were right about mech and I was wrong?

it feels like the only time I ever have mech disagreements with you are when you're scum and trying to make up random nonsense.

Is there a single time we've been t/t and disagreed on mech and you've actually been right?

[Aristeia]

the reason my argument applies to Enchant is because Pick #1 should be an Ascetic Cop

[MathBlade]

my logic applies only for the person who is pick number one

Then it’s flawed imho.

Because Enchant if town would know he’d be prime NK bait and leave cop for lower down.

And you’re welcome to call me an idiot later if you like but maybe it might generate wifom if I am so win win

[Titus]

Happy Cake day Mala.

Math, we aren't doing mechanics debates again.

HEM by play please

Good night.

[MathBlade]

mathblade have we ever played a game where you were right about mech and I was wrong?

it feels like the only time I ever have mech disagreements with you are when you're scum and trying to make up random nonsense.

Is there a single time we've been t/t and disagreed on mech and you've actually been right?

Yes

Last game

I said scum were bussing at 80% odds and you kept saying no and Andres was bussing

[MathBlade]

Happy Cake day Mala.

Math, we aren't doing mechanics debates again.

HEM by play please

Good night.

Cool HEM is a no go by day play

The people I want by town play right now are TRd so *shrug*

[Aristeia]

if Enchant is town and Enchant picks Ascetic Cop, then Mafia have to shoot him before he gets results and creates masons for us.

If Enchant is town and Enchant does not pick Ascetic Cop, then Mafia don't know this so they still shoot him trying to kill the Ascetic Cop.

The only time Enchant survives is if he's like scum.

People want to kill Enchant today - but this doesn't make sense because if Enchant is town, the mafia should solve his slot for us via NK.

So it is always preferable in my opinion to elim Enchant on Day 3 if he is still alive and scummy rather than pop him on Day 1.

[Aristeia]

mathblade have we ever played a game where you were right about mech and I was wrong?

it feels like the only time I ever have mech disagreements with you are when you're scum and trying to make up random nonsense.

Is there a single time we've been t/t and disagreed on mech and you've actually been right?

Yes

Last game

I said scum were bussing at 80% odds and you kept saying no and Andres was bussing

this is not mech

[MathBlade]

mathblade have we ever played a game where you were right about mech and I was wrong?

it feels like the only time I ever have mech disagreements with you are when you're scum and trying to make up random nonsense.

Is there a single time we've been t/t and disagreed on mech and you've actually been right?

Yes

Last game

I said scum were bussing at 80% odds and you kept saying no and Andres was bussing

this is not mech

It is to me.

Starting from concrete facts/probabilities and working down is mech

[Titus]

Happy Cake day Mala.

Math, we aren't doing mechanics debates again.

HEM by play please

Good night.

Cool HEM is a no go by day play

The people I want by town play right now are TRd so *shrug*

What's your readslist?

[Titus]

People want to kill Enchant today - but this doesn't make sense because if Enchant is town, the mafia should solve his slot for us via NK.

This

[Aristeia]

mathblade have we ever played a game where you were right about mech and I was wrong?

it feels like the only time I ever have mech disagreements with you are when you're scum and trying to make up random nonsense.

Is there a single time we've been t/t and disagreed on mech and you've actually been right?

Yes

Last game

I said scum were bussing at 80% odds and you kept saying no and Andres was bussing

this is not mech

It is to me.

Starting from concrete facts/probabilities and working down is mech

mech involves roles and roleclaims.

deciding whether a player bussed or did not bus is VCA, wagonomics and dayplay analysis

this is a basic definition.

[MathBlade]

People want to kill Enchant today - but this doesn't make sense because if Enchant is town, the mafia should solve his slot for us via NK.

This

I agree Enchant is a good no elim today candidate

I also think if I am right on scum (getting to your reads list request Titus)
Scum don’t shoot in the upper tiers if I am right

[MathBlade]

mathblade have we ever played a game where you were right about mech and I was wrong?

it feels like the only time I ever have mech disagreements with you are when you're scum and trying to make up random nonsense.

Is there a single time we've been t/t and disagreed on mech and you've actually been right?

Yes

Last game

I said scum were bussing at 80% odds and you kept saying no and Andres was bussing

this is not mech

It is to me.

Starting from concrete facts/probabilities and working down is mech

mech involves roles and roleclaims.

deciding whether a player bussed or did not bus is VCA, wagonomics and dayplay analysis

this is a basic definition.

Agree to disagree and move on

I have 0 interest in quibbling over definitions.

Anything over 80% likelihood is almost certainly true like traditional mech unless evidence asserts otherwise so it’s all mech to me

[MathBlade]

implosion << Major scum pings
Harley Quinn << Town lean okay for today but I will reevaluate as (redacted to avoid saying something I shouldn’t regarding her main)
Gamma Emerald << Town I think? More active than most scum games
Malakittens << No read yet sorry
Roden << Town for now also has capability to deep wolf
Enchant << no day reads, if scum it’s with Ari. This postulating doesn’t feel right
Dwlee99 << No read yet
humaneatingmonkey << I think he’s town but I can’t explain why
Bellaphant << More active as town when I remember her so scum lean could have changed since we haven’t played together in a while.
Ausuka << No read yet
Me << Towniest town to ever town
Aristeia << A majority of your posts ping me as town but there’s this mechanics talk that’s pinging me so hard
Save The Dragons << Town unless it’s Std + Enchant + 1 deep wolf maybe Ari
Titus << Town who thinks I am confused or scum panicking I am right on something

[MathBlade]

The main issue I have with your hypothesis is that it assumes Enchant always picks that slot

I find that assumption incorrect.

[MathBlade]

It feels like either you know Enchant did or know no one did.

It’s too certain

[Aristeia]

convince one person your mech interpretation is right and my mech interpretation is wrong and I will continue this conversation with you. Otherwise I am just going to assume you are wrong and wasting my time.

[MathBlade]

convince one person your mech interpretation is right and my mech interpretation is wrong and I will continue this conversation with you. Otherwise I am just going to assume you are wrong and wasting my time.

I think 90% of the game legit doesn’t care.

I know you’re starting from a faulty premise and stated it.

As did someone else who mentioned the word optimally

So someone else already did

You just aren’t in the mood to listen