Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[GeorgeBailey]

vote count 1.12

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-14 01:30:00).

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humaneatingmonkey [4]:

Dwlee99, Titus, implosion, Roden

MathBlade [2]:

Gamma Emerald, Save The Dragons

Aristeia [2]:

humaneatingmonkey, Enchant

Dwlee99 [2]:

Ausuka, MathBlade

Not Voting [4]:

Bellaphant, Wallflower, Aristeia, Harley Quinn

mod notes

~ humaneatingmonkey v/la wednesday to friday.
~ Gamma Emerald v/la for a week.
~ dual mod iso.
~ this is mod note.

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[MathBlade]

You are

And so?

Tomorrow is a new day.

I can’t create a wagon

Without anyway to pressure anyone there isn’t a way to read anyone

We’re literally just waiting for the inevitable miselim

The group decided no one is moving their vote from HEM and Ari is there in spirit.

I would need almost the entire rest of the game to even mount anything worth a response

Game is just in stuck dead mode

[Wallflower]

idk
but I dislike how he's being hard to work with when it comes to explaining reads
which is ironic because I think he pushed StD for that earlier

I don’t really see a point right now

HEM is the de facto elim

No one is going to change their minds

From HEM’s flip and who scum kill I can see where to go from here

I likely don’t die

There just literally is no point in it

I'm only up to page 19 atm (it feels like it's 70% Ari vs. HEM gosh) so obviously the vibe could have drastically changed or something, but just looking at recent posts, time to deadline, vote count etc. from an external perspective, this sort of resignation to HEM being flipped when you think they're town seems... excessive?

[MathBlade]

idk
but I dislike how he's being hard to work with when it comes to explaining reads
which is ironic because I think he pushed StD for that earlier

I don’t really see a point right now

HEM is the de facto elim

No one is going to change their minds

From HEM’s flip and who scum kill I can see where to go from here

I likely don’t die

There just literally is no point in it

I'm only up to page 19 atm (it feels like it's 70% Ari vs. HEM gosh) so obviously the vibe could have drastically changed or something, but just looking at recent posts, time to deadline, vote count etc. from an external perspective, this sort of resignation to HEM being flipped when you think they're town seems... excessive?

It’s more everyone has not wanted to discuss my scumreads in Dwlee and Titus

And I am incapable of explaining my HEM TR so yeah I am just waiting for the flip or when people want to discuss wagons or try having a second wagon today.

It just sort of is what it is

[Gamma Emerald]

Mechanical Condamnation shall roll out once more…

[Wallflower]

Math catching up makes me confident to say thats hes town or at least hes doing this because he recognizes that ill spot if hes doing the same shtick he did from our last game

you just said that you'd die be the Math-town read and now you've got the "or at least he's doing this because he recognizes..." disclaimer?? which is it?

[Roden]

idk
but I dislike how he's being hard to work with when it comes to explaining reads
which is ironic because I think he pushed StD for that earlier

I don’t really see a point right now

HEM is the de facto elim

No one is going to change their minds

From HEM’s flip and who scum kill I can see where to go from here

I likely don’t die

There just literally is no point in it

I'm only up to page 19 atm (it feels like it's 70% Ari vs. HEM gosh) so obviously the vibe could have drastically changed or something, but just looking at recent posts, time to deadline, vote count etc. from an external perspective, this sort of resignation to HEM being flipped when you think they're town seems... excessive?

It’s more everyone has not wanted to discuss my scumreads in Dwlee and Titus

And I am incapable of explaining my HEM TR so yeah I am just waiting for the flip or when people want to discuss wagons or try having a second wagon today.

It just sort of is what it is

I don't think anyone said they don't want to talk about your scum reads. As far as what you said to me, you just kinda asked me what I thought of a Titus/Dwlee/Gamma team, and while I mostly disagreed with it I didn't say the first two were impossible by any means. I didn't get a response to it at all actually.

After I died in Flash Games I still kept up a bit and saw what you had to say about my read on Titus, so I know you can expound on what makes her scummy and when you think someone is reading her incorrectly.

As for Dwlee, you and Titus have opposing reads on them but I don't really understand why? I feel like that's something you can dig into here and feels really important for understanding the game state.

And if you really think HEM is town then you need to explain it, it's not worth hiding why you TR him if he gets mis-elim'd. You're not even implying that it would break any rules to explain it, so I don't get why you would hold back there.

[Harley Quinn]

In all games, if Math is trying to take the town towards HIS direction - Math town
If Math is trying to let the town do what they want and pander to existing talking points - Math scum

Ill die by this read

I wish I could ask HEM which one he thinks it is, since Math seems resigned to him flipping.

[Harley Quinn]

I need to be sold on a scumread, however it does concern me that no one is really trying to save HEM and HEM not doing much could just be related to his just recovering from surgery, so it’s frustrating. Hopefully he does more tomorrow.

Also not sure why he’s claiming vt? It’s kind’ve antitown to do that in case he isn’t flipped and it doesn’t actually tell us anything about his alignment.

[Harley Quinn]

Roden hit the nail on the head. Math hasn’t really adequately explained why HEM is town or Titus/Dwlee scum. However, if Titus doesn’t change her read on Roden, that might be concerning, because he’s very clearly doing stuff now, more than most of the playerlist in fact.

[Harley Quinn]

I’m gonna say Gamma and Roden are now my top trs.

[implosion]

I need to be sold on a scumread, however it does concern me that no one is really trying to save HEM and HEM not doing much could just be related to his just recovering from surgery, so it’s frustrating. Hopefully he does more tomorrow.

Also not sure why he’s claiming vt? It’s kind’ve antitown to do that in case he isn’t flipped and it doesn’t actually tell us anything about his alignment.

Math sure is trying to save HEM.

And I feel like scum here going out of their way to save HEM-scum would be pretty difficult to do in a way that doesn't tie you to HEM here.

[implosion]

I can see some of the reasons people are giving for Math scum and I'm pretty much falling back to "Idk how to read him reliably".

[Bellaphant]

I’m gonna say Gamma and Roden are now my top trs.

Can you talk to me about Roden?

[Wallflower]

Okay we made it!

I have (sort of) read the game.

Whew.

I feel pretty good about HQ, Gamma, Dwlee, Aristeia being town.
Ausuka and Bellaphant also give me vaguely positive feelings but I'm not, like, solid. Kind of like ice cream, a weird not-quite-solid, not-quite-liquid amount of certainty!

Mmmm ice cream.

But yes!

The dwlee read seems most at odds with where other people might be at, but I think that Post 548 in particular comes from a town mindset, and in a similar way, Post 1184. I think it's a bit bold of scum to be outright "I like this person because they townread me!" in the way that Dwlee has, but it's an approach that feels consistent with how they are playing this game.

I might need to read over some things again, but when it comes to HEM I just feel... underwhelmed. If they flip scum I'd be like "yeah sure, that makes sense". If they flip town I'd be like "yeah sure, that makes sense". I just can't bring myself to feel stongly either way.

I do have a bit of a pet scumread in implosion. Particularly the insistence on being enthusiastic about the HEM wagon after being called out for exploring other options/being non-committal feels like more of a response to that than true progression of the read.

[Gamma Emerald]

Opinion on math/Titus?

[Harley Quinn]

I’m gonna say Gamma and Roden are now my top trs.

Can you talk to me about Roden?

His recent posts read super solvey to me and I thought even his post about my alts looked like an attempt to sort me.

VOTE: Mathblade

I’ve been thinking a lot about the game and I don’t believe Math means anything he said. The 180 on STD looked fake af and he’s tunnelling Dwlee, idi why? He sr’s Ausaka for being “nice”. My bs detector totally went off at that. I actually believe her sr on Dwlee is genuine though unlike Math’s.

The putting one of the most obvtown players in his PoE because he’s usually trs Gamma early or some more nonsense is what really put it over. He called him tvt but all that changed after he voted him.

[Harley Quinn]

I need to be sold on a scumread, however it does concern me that no one is really trying to save HEM and HEM not doing much could just be related to his just recovering from surgery, so it’s frustrating. Hopefully he does more tomorrow.

Also not sure why he’s claiming vt? It’s kind’ve antitown to do that in case he isn’t flipped and it doesn’t actually tell us anything about his alignment.

Math sure is trying to save HEM.

And I feel like scum here going out of their way to save HEM-scum would be pretty difficult to do in a way that doesn't tie you to HEM here.

He also seems pretty deflated about it to and I would think town!Math trying to save town!HEM would move heaven and earth trying to save him but it’s also possible HEM is a Math pocket but Math’s very obvious unhappiness about that wagon leads me to think otherwise. Basically I’m nullscum on HEM and hard sr Math.

[Harley Quinn]

corrrection: leanscum not nullscum

Also town!Math sounds really genuine and here he seems to be sr people who don’t fall in line. He was tr me until I didn’t blindly go along with the program. Had I said raw raw Dwlee!scum and voted them, he’d probably be hard tr me for it. He switched his scumread on Ausuka after she voted them.

[Titus]

I'm debating changing my vote to Math but I need to catchup and see if I feel this way this afternoon. The fact Math is resigning himself to what he argues is a miselimination feels really scummy. While I've read none of Roden's posts in detail, the length along with the hyperlinks suggest an attempt at an impact so I can sort the slot.

[Aristeia]

VOTE: HEM

I don't think it makes sense to elim Mathblade before HEM and I think there are several moments that are kind of townie for MB - like that time when he said I should know he's town or w/e.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: HEM

I don't think it makes sense to elim Mathblade before HEM and I think there are several moments that are kind of townie for MB - like

that time when he said I should know he's town or w/e.

How so?

[Wallflower]

Opinion on math/Titus?

I have uhh been putting off making up my mind about those two. With both of them, I'm conflicted.

Titus has a few posts that are interpreting other players' behaviour in a fairly reachy way and stating it as fact, which on the surface feels sort of manipulative, but I'd maybe lean towards it being town just stating what they think and not really seeing reason to doubt it. Examples are Post 946 ("Roden still has no drive to solve"), Post 989 ("Dwlee tries to have an impact" - especially bizarre tbh) and particularly Post 1095 about Enchant, which I still don't really understand as what Enchant was saying.
I'm also still deciding on what I think of the accusations of "shopping" whenever people are considering votes other than HEM.

I think at one point during my read-through I was feeling more confident in Mathblade being scum, and I don't remember exactly why I softened on that (it's been... a day). , but I think it might have been partly because reading through put the approach to HEM a bit more into context for me. Maybe it's HEM's recent absence but I felt that feeling of it being sort of inevitable too. It's hard to explain.
And right now I'm staring at Post 1148 and I want to townread it because it resonates hard but it's also an easy post to make as scum and if mathlade is aware of his moonlogicky meta then that would make sense of the awkwardly obstinate posting that had me so concerned to begin with.

I guess that probably gives the best idea of where I'm at with them right now? Hopefully it will become clearer now that I'm actually in the game, rather than trying to quickly read through.

[Aristeia]

well look at it from his POV if he's actually scum and defending scum!HEM from me.

what does he actually get from saying that I should have a 100% readrate on him?


(1) It's fairly unlikely he can yeet me in this game state, he lacks charisma and thread control and he acknowledges it.

So if I run over HEM and HEM flips scum, I'll just come for him tommorrow and kill him.

(2) If he somehow gets everyone to vote me out today where does that leave him/hem tomm? I'm flipped town, and he's on the record saying that Town!Me should have a 100% readrate on him - so he/hem probly get killed d2/d3.

It's just not really a line of play that gets him anywhere.

[MathBlade]

I am actually using this to prove HEM town.

If people actually believed I was scum with HEM they’d all still be voting HEM like Ari says

Since I can’t explain it with words then I can explain it by using people’s wagon movements